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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 28, 2019 12:10:18 GMT -5
Yeah, it sucks for the Jacksonville fans who wants to see the original match, but it's a promotion that allows talent to work indies and a young wrestler's wires got crossed on scheduling, shit happens. I do agree that the fact that every single little thing that happens surrounding AEW getting put under a microscope is pretty exhausting already. It's like there can't be any mix ups, any segments that don't click immediately, etc. or else knives are out, and on the other end there's the "overprotective" types Cody's mentioned who spam wrestlers' Twitter accounts about joining the promotion. Meantime the general feeling after most Dynamite episodes has been "that was fun!", yet it can't just be left at that for a lot of people. Again, isn’t the point of the forum to discuss and critique the product and everything surrounding it? That’s what happens in the WWE forum too, it’s not an AEW exclusive. A discussion of just “that was fun” wouldn’t be very engaging. Already been over this: go ahead and critique. New Japan is my favorite wrestling product but I've got no problems in discussing what people think might not work at times with given shows they might put on, even if I don't agree with the criticism. This isn't critique, though, this is obsession on many people's parts because they've tied up their own identities in a wrestling "war" where an upstart company succeeding or failing somehow impacts them personally or some such nonsense. Discussing faults in a promotion's storytelling/match layout/promo format is compelling, "guy in a mask threw bad punches so new company bad!" is not.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 28, 2019 12:31:19 GMT -5
Yeah, it sucks for the Jacksonville fans who wants to see the original match, but it's a promotion that allows talent to work indies and a young wrestler's wires got crossed on scheduling, shit happens. I do agree that the fact that every single little thing that happens surrounding AEW getting put under a microscope is pretty exhausting already. It's like there can't be any mix ups, any segments that don't click immediately, etc. or else knives are out, and on the other end there's the "overprotective" types Cody's mentioned who spam wrestlers' Twitter accounts about joining the promotion. Meantime the general feeling after most Dynamite episodes has been "that was fun!", yet it can't just be left at that for a lot of people. Yeah, that's what I think happened. Kris' wires got crossed and AEW booked the match without knowing about her scheduled match with Bar Wrestling. I think it was an honest mistake on Kris' part, and AEW's management OKed her to honor the prior commitment instead of making her pull out. It's a "shit happens" moment, but nothing more than that.
I think criticism of AEW is fine when it's fair, but the only way they're at fault here is if they knew about the prior commitment beforehand and made the match anyway without having the intent of pulling Kris out of the show. It just seems like certain people take any excuse to trash on them even when it's not warranted. Even if they didn’t knew, the fact that they allow talents to take outside booking means they should be keeping track of everyone’s prior commitments so that when they’re building and promoting a match they don’t have to change it for scheduling reasons.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 28, 2019 12:35:05 GMT -5
If they didn't know, how can they keep track of it?
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 28, 2019 12:37:23 GMT -5
If they didn't know, how can they keep track of it? You would think the practice should be that you have a list of all your talents and their calendars as far as bookings go. Obviously if they did keep track and Statlander happened to leave out the booking she had on a Wednesday night then they should discipline her in some fashion but I’m not sure that’s the case.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 28, 2019 12:40:25 GMT -5
Again, isn’t the point of the forum to discuss and critique the product and everything surrounding it? That’s what happens in the WWE forum too, it’s not an AEW exclusive. A discussion of just “that was fun” wouldn’t be very engaging. Already been over this: go ahead and critique. New Japan is my favorite wrestling product but I've got no problems in discussing what people think might not work at times with given shows they might put on, even if I don't agree with the criticism. This isn't critique, though, this is obsession on many people's parts because they've tied up their own identities in a wrestling "war" where an upstart company succeeding or failing somehow impacts them personally or some such nonsense. Discussing faults in a promotion's storytelling/match layout/promo format is compelling, "guy in a mask threw bad punches so new company bad!" is not. This is not critique, this is obsession? This is probably the best, least trolling wrestling forum on the internet so I think saying people here are doing that is quite the stretch. It seems more of the overprotectiveness that Cody talked about . AEW is the biggest #2 promotion since WCW, so of course there are going to be critiques both big and small of the product. Just look at how the number 1 promotion is dissected. Doesn’t mean people here are obsessed with WWE failing too.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 28, 2019 14:56:05 GMT -5
Again, isn’t the point of the forum to discuss and critique the product and everything surrounding it? That’s what happens in the WWE forum too, it’s not an AEW exclusive. A discussion of just “that was fun” wouldn’t be very engaging. Already been over this: go ahead and critique. New Japan is my favorite wrestling product but I've got no problems in discussing what people think might not work at times with given shows they might put on, even if I don't agree with the criticism. This isn't critique, though, this is obsession on many people's parts because they've tied up their own identities in a wrestling "war" where an upstart company succeeding or failing somehow impacts them personally or some such nonsense. Discussing faults in a promotion's storytelling/match layout/promo format is compelling, "guy in a mask threw bad punches so new company bad!" is not. I would say that focusing on these things is not simply obsession; it is sensationalism. It is hard to argue about facts like schedule,structure,quality. It is easy to show something short and "provocative" to get people to rally.And this isn't only a wrestling thing.It is how popularity competitions are won.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Dec 28, 2019 15:23:20 GMT -5
I think it's noble for her to honor a previous commitment, but it also comes across as "this booking means more to me than a shot at your belt," in kayfabe terms. I also think it's noble of AEW to provide their workers with a more relaxed environment that allows them to work elsewhere if they so choose, and yet this comes across as AEW just being another independent promotion for talent instead of a potential competitor to WWE. Large portions of the women's division continue to be plagued with issues concerning bookings and commitment to AEW, which makes the whole "all in" idea seem disingenuous. I can also see potential problems with any long-term booking they may have in mind.
With all that said, I hope it gets fixed and a more consistent product comes out of this.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 28, 2019 15:24:12 GMT -5
Already been over this: go ahead and critique. New Japan is my favorite wrestling product but I've got no problems in discussing what people think might not work at times with given shows they might put on, even if I don't agree with the criticism. This isn't critique, though, this is obsession on many people's parts because they've tied up their own identities in a wrestling "war" where an upstart company succeeding or failing somehow impacts them personally or some such nonsense. Discussing faults in a promotion's storytelling/match layout/promo format is compelling, "guy in a mask threw bad punches so new company bad!" is not. I would say that focusing on these things is not simply obsession; it is sensationalism. It is hard to argue about facts like schedule,structure,quality. It is easy to show something short and "provocative" to get people to rally.And this isn't only a wrestling thing.It is how popularity competitions are won. Is it sensationalism to critique them booking a match and then having to reschedule it because they didn’t know there was a conflict with the number 1 contender’s bookings? And if you’re referring to the bad punches by that Dark Order, has anyone on this site been making a huge deal of it? I’d say Dustin himself made it a bigger deal than anyone here did.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 28, 2019 15:50:25 GMT -5
I would say that focusing on these things is not simply obsession; it is sensationalism. It is hard to argue about facts like schedule,structure,quality. It is easy to show something short and "provocative" to get people to rally.And this isn't only a wrestling thing.It is how popularity competitions are won. Is it sensationalism to critique them booking a match and then having to reschedule it because they didn’t know there was a conflict with the number 1 contender’s bookings? Yes. It's pretty much a non-story, given they booked a solution to it. Now, people wanting to discuss the pros and cons of the solution they chose? I'd say have at it on that. But the main story here is, as I went with before, a big ol' "shit happens".
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 28, 2019 15:57:19 GMT -5
Is it sensationalism to critique them booking a match and then having to reschedule it because they didn’t know there was a conflict with the number 1 contender’s bookings? Yes. It's pretty much a non-story, given they booked a solution to it. Now, people wanting to discuss the pros and cons of the solution they chose? I'd say have at it on that. But the main story here is, as I went with before, a big ol' "shit happens". I highly disagree and the fact it’s being discussed a lot by non troll posters on a reputable forum like this is evidence that it is not a “non-story.” It’s not to the same degree but it’s similar to the way they had to cancel PAC-Page because PAC didnt want to job.
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Dec 28, 2019 17:28:58 GMT -5
I was gathering my thoughts on this but then Big Bird just crashed through my window and said the word of the day was Mundane.
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Post by eJm on Dec 28, 2019 18:26:09 GMT -5
I mean, the way to solve all this is to make everyone employees and not independent contractors.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 21:39:27 GMT -5
I was gathering my thoughts on this but then Big Bird just crashed through my window and said the word of the day was Mundane. Did he have a ladder? That motherf***er can't fly.
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 30, 2019 14:57:23 GMT -5
I just think AEW is so used to dealing with one planet they forgot to check satlander's andromeda galaxy bookings when they made the original match. probably a language barrier thing
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Post by Lupin the Third on Dec 30, 2019 23:15:34 GMT -5
I mean, I don't mind it, as all 4 women are decent wrestlers. But I figured they'd go with an audible, and have Hikaru Shida face Riho for the title, since Shida was the No. 1 Contender before Statlander.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Dec 30, 2019 23:17:04 GMT -5
I just think AEW is so used to dealing with one planet they forgot to check satlander's andromeda galaxy bookings when they made the original match. probably a language barrier thing Well, hopefully they remember to check with her bookings on KO-35.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 30, 2019 23:48:20 GMT -5
I just think AEW is so used to dealing with one planet they forgot to check satlander's andromeda galaxy bookings when they made the original match. probably a language barrier thing Well, hopefully they remember to check with her bookings on KO-35. Damn I knew Owens was fat but his own planet??
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Post by autisticgeordie on Dec 31, 2019 3:33:31 GMT -5
I just think AEW is so used to dealing with one planet they forgot to check satlander's andromeda galaxy bookings when they made the original match. probably a language barrier thing They need to get a working relationship with Mid Galactic Wrestling. (someone else coined that term, can't take credit.)
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Post by chrom on Jan 1, 2020 22:09:26 GMT -5
I don't think Riho can win. Not after the beating tonight. She'll be 50% at best
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 1, 2020 22:11:39 GMT -5
I was pretty sure that Riho was retaining and going on to lose to Shida, but the way tonight played out changed my thinking. Seems like an injured Riho loses to Statlander, Statlander has her Brandi feud with the title in play, Riho is now occupied by a freshly heel Britt Baker. Fairly neat and tidy, if so.
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