deezy
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Post by deezy on Dec 28, 2019 14:03:43 GMT -5
Skin can be thin sometimes. Vince and co get the same amount of vitriol tweeted at them and even places like here and you don’t see them lashing out on social media. WWE gets it alot worse than AEW. Don't get me wrong, Alot of it is justified but it seems some hate on WWE just because it's the "cool thing" to do. AEW is getting some now and of course there will be some who will hate on them for the sake of hating. Just seems like AEW may be just a tad bit too sensitive to criticism. The ONLY thing that bothered me about the Bucks leaving Twitter is that they are 2 of the guys in charge and it kind of sends a bad look because they should lead by example. Be it ignoring the trolls or just make a statement about the criticism like "we hear you and we're trying everyday to improve the product". If they were just talent at AEW I would have no problem with them leaving Twitter. Its just a bad look because of their position in AEW. Look no further than the way Cody handles everything. I think he handles criticism better than anyone in the business right now.
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Rave
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Post by Rave on Dec 28, 2019 14:20:07 GMT -5
JR is now playing the “people who criticise are lonely people with nothing better to do” card To be fair, JR's been playing this card for at least the last few years, if not longer. At least he's no longer taking potshots at fans while on the air like he used to do during his New Japan run.
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Post by rocket on Dec 28, 2019 14:25:19 GMT -5
Exactly, I wasn't a wrestling fan during the period, but I doubt that the Monday Night War was this negative and, surely, that had even higher stakes? I get that both companies aren't going to be flawless, but it's sad how people say that 'With competition, things'll be better, just like the late 1990s' and, yet, people make no attempt to enjoy it. There was no social media during the Attitude Era but you better believe that the “online wrestling community” still critiqued and trashed things on a weekly basis,, both WCW and WWF. As someone who was online for part of that this is absolutely true. Like there were people who would defend WCW to the death even as they were in terminal decline.
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Post by petef3 on Dec 28, 2019 14:35:40 GMT -5
The people running AEW are learning on the job, because most of the people with the relevant experience are either employed or complete lunatics and beyond the indie level there's not a whole lot to choose from. The folks running AEW aren't going to learn on the job if they can't learn from criticism.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 28, 2019 14:37:35 GMT -5
The Creeper thing was kinda dumb, mix that with unreal expectations and 2019, and you get this online backlash.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 28, 2019 14:39:39 GMT -5
It's weird because I don't recall anywhere near the sort of vitriol directed at early Spike era TNA and those shows were certainly worse than the AEW shows we've seen thus far. If there is one thing I will give TNA though it's that there weren't that many "outlaw mudshow" type wrestlers on Impact even in 2005. Of course TNA wasn't promising a revolution or anything, just a replacement for Raw once WWE left Spike. I think AEW has ventured too far into ECW "We're the revolution!" territory, especially when as the weeks have gone by Dynamite feels reasonably similar to a WWE show.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 28, 2019 14:44:58 GMT -5
The people running AEW are learning on the job, because most of the people with the relevant experience are either employed or complete lunatics and beyond the indie level there's not a whole lot to choose from. The folks running AEW aren't going to learn on the job if they can't learn from criticism. But they are ,they have show they are.Changing up gimmicks, adding more promo, learning how to space better the segments and the production quality of things like video,themes,etc.To say they can't is simply ignoring all the times they did.They have addressed it online multiple times to to the fans things like the woman division, they are always looking at different medias for criticism. JR is the only AEW -employed person that has done any sort of attack on the fans and even then it was more thin than the usual.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 28, 2019 14:49:47 GMT -5
I think the honeymoon is over and AEW hasn't really lived up to the hype. People were hoping for revolution but instead got a solid wrestling show that has settled into familiarity. Then surely that’s on the people who built up unrealistic expectations for it? I wanted a weekly wrestling tv show that was enjoyable to watch and didn’t feel like a chore, they have delivered on that. Not everything about the show has been perfect but they haven’t done anything yet to lose my benefit of the doubt. The Elite as folks always brought the best and worst of different people. Add some more influential figures being direct competition or just directing very harsh and unrealistic criticism and things scale out of control. Is there people that expected too much ?Yes but I think that majority of the "backlash" is not from then. Hell there is not even that big of a backlash,that is a f***ing weird narrative from people blowing up a storm over the smallest things.Because they hate seeing what they disliked being praised so every chance they have to try and tear down they will.(Not to mix up with the more grounded critics)
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Post by timelimitdraw on Dec 28, 2019 14:51:42 GMT -5
Honestly, I think some of those guys have had so much praise thrown their way that they don't know how to react to criticism. The reality is that everything - praise and outrage - is amplified on social media. As someone who has been online since WCW was kicking the WWF's butt, I can assure you that over-critiquing of the wrestling business is nothing new. If it's getting to them (and social media is an increasingly rough place for folks' mental health), I'd much rather see them stepping away than continual complaining a la Vince Russo/WCW 2000, which only puts more fuel on the fire.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 28, 2019 15:00:11 GMT -5
Honestly, I think some of those guys have had so much praise thrown their way that they don't know how to react to criticism. The reality is that everything - praise and outrage - is amplified on social media. As someone who has been online since WCW was kicking the WWF's butt, I can assure you that over-critiquing of the wrestling business is nothing new. If it's getting to them (and social media is an increasingly rough place for folks' mental health), I'd much rather see them stepping away than continual complaining a la Vince Russo/WCW 2000, which only puts more fuel on the fire. Again - The Elite is one of the most criticised people in wrestling since ever. And yes praised.This is nothing new to then,just a bigger amount of both. And they addressed those critics many times more than any other wrestling figure,why the f*** leaving twitter for a time suddenly means they can't take it?
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Post by markymark on Dec 28, 2019 15:10:11 GMT -5
AEW has been on tv for like 3 months. Its going to have its growing pains and like what happened to TNA, people seem to have unrealistic expectations that it should be running on all cylinders with no mistakes. You also have cult of cornette trolls and wwe trolls who want to shit on the product or troll the performers so they can screenshot and retweet anything negative. They are lucky that they never hired Russo(who is once again begging for TK to bring him)
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Post by Yacht Persona on Dec 28, 2019 15:29:04 GMT -5
Twitter wresting fans are assholes.
I think it's more apt to say that Twitter is one giant asshole.
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Post by 111111 on Dec 28, 2019 15:41:54 GMT -5
Honestly, I think some of those guys have had so much praise thrown their way that they don't know how to react to criticism. The reality is that everything - praise and outrage - is amplified on social media. As someone who has been online since WCW was kicking the WWF's butt, I can assure you that over-critiquing of the wrestling business is nothing new. If it's getting to them (and social media is an increasingly rough place for folks' mental health), I'd much rather see them stepping away than continual complaining a la Vince Russo/WCW 2000, which only puts more fuel on the fire. The Young Bucks used to get a ridiculous amount of shit and criticism over silly things back when they were doing the whole "create a wrestler" gimmick on the indies.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Dec 28, 2019 16:38:03 GMT -5
I’m totally ok with the Young Bucks prioritizing their mental health. More celebrities should. Even if that means quitting social media.
And I don’t think that will affect their work. There are plenty of people working in AEW keeping an eye out on the criticism. Namely Cody.
So no, I don’t get the “thin skin” complaint.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 28, 2019 16:39:04 GMT -5
Twitter wresting fans are assholes. *Looks around* Right...Twitter.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 28, 2019 17:11:13 GMT -5
Twitter wresting fans are assholes. *Looks around* Right...Twitter. I kinda get your point but everything seems amplified negatively on Twitter.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Dec 28, 2019 17:43:39 GMT -5
It's all relative, and of the wrestling promotions people actually watch regularly, AEW is by far the most widely praised. Pretty much every show they've ever done has had a large proportion of people on here voting it a perfect 10/10.
Truth is, complaining is part of the experience of being a wrestling fan for a large portion of the hardcore audience. And that exists in every fandom.
If you've spent your entire adult life fantasy booking, being snarky about and ouright shitting on WWE, TNA and ROH, old habits die hard.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 28, 2019 21:11:00 GMT -5
Where are all these "the Bucks have never been criticized before" ideas coming from? You'd have to ahve been unplugged from the independent scene for the better part of this decade to think it's been all hugboxes and handjobs up to this point.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 29, 2019 0:12:08 GMT -5
I just wish WWE weren't assholes and put NXT on the same night as AEW, because it's legitimately made the wrestling fandom so unbearabe when there has been such great wrestling going on on BOTH shows. It's a perfect example of no matter what you do, you don't win, it's really off-putting.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Dec 29, 2019 0:34:53 GMT -5
I’m totally ok with the Young Bucks prioritizing their mental health. More celebrities should. Even if that means quitting social media. And I don’t think that will affect their work. There are plenty of people working in AEW keeping an eye out on the criticism. Namely Cody. So no, I don’t get the “thin skin” complaint. Cody has to be the best person at responding to criticism that I've ever seen. There's a lot to learn from him on the matter.
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