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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 22:01:25 GMT -5
Can this guy please either actually win a match of consequence for once or stop being booked against top guys? This is the third time now we've done the whole, "I'm dark and spooky and nigh-unkillable," thing against a big star just for him to spend the entire match getting his ass kicked en route to losing, and it's not like the first match with Cody worked out all that much better for him.
And yeah, I'll grant that Cody shouldn't have been losing at the moment with this MJF match coming up but in that case, just don't book the match. It's not doing Darby any favors having him lose to the people who matter at every turn and being resilient doesn't mean shit if people still always find a way to put you down in the end.
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Post by chrom on Jan 1, 2020 22:04:12 GMT -5
Dude he's fine. You're acting like he is on a 10 match losing streak.
In all 3 big matches he's come within an eyelash of winning and had to be knocked out at the end
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jan 1, 2020 22:06:31 GMT -5
Yes because there has never been a young talent who got over by giving the top guys in the company a tough fight every time out, before going down like a glorious underdog.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 1, 2020 22:06:50 GMT -5
Yeah, Darby is fine for the moment. I'll start seriously worrying if he stops being used or just turned into Nakazawa-style cannon fodder. But he still comes off dangerous.
He's just wrestling top tier opponents, and he doesn't have the experience to decisively finish them yet.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 1, 2020 22:07:13 GMT -5
Also what match are you watching where he was dominated the whole way through? In fact in this match DARBY was in control for the majority of it working over Cody's shoulder, and Cody only won due to Arn's coaching, otherwise Allin might have won the match.
I don't know what some people want, Allin looked great there, he's like 23 years old, sky is the limit for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 22:09:08 GMT -5
I might have more faith in it if not for pretty much knowing that as usual there's going to be no actual follow through with it. Just like when he lost to Jericho and just like when he lost to Moxley he's going to disappear for a month then come back to lose his next big match.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 1, 2020 22:09:12 GMT -5
Yeah, it's three such matches so far - so basically, enough for a completed angle. There isn't even anyone left that he could be booked this way against except like...Pac and maybe the Lucha Brothers. I can give the benefit of the doubt that he can move in a different direction from here.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 1, 2020 22:11:51 GMT -5
I might have more faith in it if not for pretty much knowing that as usual there's going to be no actual follow through with it. Just like when he lost to Jericho and just like when he lost to Moxley he's going to disappear for a month then come back to lose his next big match. You really don't know that, and the only reason that was happening was pryor booking commitments which has lessened a lot for certain talents since AEW's been established. Darby will be fine dude, also when he lost to Jericho it was due to heavy interference so like... I don't know why you're putting all of Darby's big losses on him. And again... he's 23, you're acting like if he doesn't win now he's screwed, far from the case. These are exactly the kind of matches he should be having. He's learning every match, and this second match with Cody showed it, because he almsot had him.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 1, 2020 22:12:47 GMT -5
At least he isnt 0-12-1 at all time records
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 1, 2020 22:13:35 GMT -5
He's like, 22 years old...
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Post by Dub H on Jan 1, 2020 22:14:07 GMT -5
I might have more faith in it if not for pretty much knowing that as usual there's going to be no actual follow through with it. Just like when he lost to Jericho and just like when he lost to Moxley he's going to disappear for a month then come back to lose his next big match. You really don't know that, and the only reason that was happening was pryor booking commitments which has lessened a lot for certain talents since AEW's been established. Darby will be fine dude, also when he lost to Jericho it was due to heavy interference so like... I don't know why you're putting all of Darby's big losses on him. And again... he's 23, you're acting like if he doesn't win now he's screwed, far from the case. These are exactly the kind of matches he should be having. He's learning every match, and this second match with Cody showed it, because he almsot had him. I think AEW is counting too much on then being young to give free losses. I think MJF is the only young one in a rising situation in terms of being able to win matches.Still the build are pretty good and they keep then relevant
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 22:15:39 GMT -5
The f*** does it matter if he's young? He's on TV now. He's being positioned as someone who can't get the job done now. If you want him to work his way up then have him actually work his way up instead of just hanging around the main event scene already but losing all the time. Booking someone to come up short again and again and again like this is how you get another Dolph Ziggler.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 1, 2020 22:21:01 GMT -5
You really don't know that, and the only reason that was happening was pryor booking commitments which has lessened a lot for certain talents since AEW's been established. Darby will be fine dude, also when he lost to Jericho it was due to heavy interference so like... I don't know why you're putting all of Darby's big losses on him. And again... he's 23, you're acting like if he doesn't win now he's screwed, far from the case. These are exactly the kind of matches he should be having. He's learning every match, and this second match with Cody showed it, because he almsot had him. I think AEW is counting too much on then being young to give free losses. I think MJF is the only young one in a rising situation in terms of being able to win matches.Still the build are pretty good and they keep then relevant They aren't "Free Losses" though they've been hard fought matches, all of them. And they're building the young talent, they're already starting. Guevara's looking at a 2-0 start with a Daniels match next week, Jungle Boy looks poised to rise as well. They'll be fine.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 1, 2020 22:23:48 GMT -5
The f*** does it matter if he's young? He's on TV now. He's being positioned as someone who can't get the job done now. If you want him to work his way up then have him actually work his way up instead of just hanging around the main event scene already but losing all the time. Booking someone to come up short again and again and again like this is how you get another Dolph Ziggler. It's only been three matches, not back to back either, spread out from one another, where one he lost due to being handcuffed, one he lost to THE top guy in the company after pushing him to his limit, and the other due to Arn Anderson coaching Cody and warning him about the finisher. I really think this shit is an overreaction. Allin will be fine. He's been booked like a star and they know he's got unlimited potential or he wouldn't BE in these matches. He wouldn't have gotten a title match already, etc. The story with Allin is he WANTS to win, he knows he needs to, so now with this, it's gonna be interesting to see where he goes from here. He'll need to rebound for sure, and he knows he needs to get that big win.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 1, 2020 22:24:04 GMT -5
I think AEW is counting too much on then being young to give free losses. I think MJF is the only young one in a rising situation in terms of being able to win matches.Still the build are pretty good and they keep then relevant They aren't "Free Losses" though they've been hard fought matches, all of them. And they're building the young talent, they're already starting. Guevara's looking at a 2-0 start with a Daniels match next week, Jungle Boy looks poised to rise as well. They'll be fine. I meant free losses as "they can take it, give to then".Yeh they can,doesn`t mean you should so much.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jan 1, 2020 22:26:16 GMT -5
The f*** does it matter if he's young? He's on TV now. He's being positioned as someone who can't get the job done now. If you want him to work his way up then have him actually work his way up instead of just hanging around the main event scene already but losing all the time. Booking someone to come up short again and again and again like this is how you get another Dolph Ziggler. Yeah, I mean look how it killed Jeff Hardy's career! ... Oh, wait a minute, that was how he got over... But Shawn Michaels in the early 90s... ... Wait him too? But then Stone Cold kicked Bret, Undertaker and Shawn's asses all over the building in 1996-1997! ... Wait he didn't go over a single one of them at that time? Huh, I guess Ziggler's an exception based on years of bad booking, and not the rule. Seriously, if it's a couple of months of this, it's longterm story telling, if it's several years of it, then we can talk Dolph Ziggler.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 22:26:31 GMT -5
They aren't "Free Losses" though they've been hard fought matches, all of them. And they're building the young talent, they're already starting. Guevara's looking at a 2-0 start with a Daniels match next week, Jungle Boy looks poised to rise as well. They'll be fine. I meant free losses as "they can take it, give to then".Yeh they can,doesn`t mean you should so much. It is something they're majorly overusing. Yeah, Darby can lose all the time, it's fine, he's young. Nyla can lose all the time, it's fine, she's young. Jungle Boy can lose all the time, it's fine, he's young. Kip Sabian can lose all the time, it's fine, he's young. At a point just all your young people are shit who never win.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 1, 2020 22:27:43 GMT -5
I meant free losses as "they can take it, give to then".Yeh they can,doesn`t mean you should so much. It is something they're majorly overusing. Yeah, Darby can lose all the time, it's fine, he's young. Nyla can lose all the time, it's fine, she's young. Jungle Boy can lose all the time, it's fine, he's young. Kip Sabian can lose all the time, it's fine, he's young. At a point just all your young people are shit never win. I definitely agree they are using it too much(well Nyla is winning right now). But Darby has treaded the line well,it definitely feels like any time he could blow up the ladder.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 1, 2020 22:28:09 GMT -5
I saw his girlfriend live in person for the first time yesterday. He’s fine in life.
He’s also fine in AEW.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 1, 2020 22:30:12 GMT -5
The f*** does it matter if he's young? He's on TV now. He's being positioned as someone who can't get the job done now. If you want him to work his way up then have him actually work his way up instead of just hanging around the main event scene already but losing all the time. Booking someone to come up short again and again and again like this is how you get another Dolph Ziggler. Yeah, I mean look how it killed Jeff Hardy's career! ... Oh, wait a minute, that was how he got over... But Shawn Michaels in the early 90s... ... Wait him too? But then Stone Cold kicked Bret, Undertaker and Shawn's asses all over the building in 1996-1997! ... Wait he didn't go over a single one of them at that time? Huh, I guess Ziggler's an exception based on years of bad booking, and not the rule. Seriously, if it's a couple of months of this, it's longterm story telling, if it's several years of it, then we can talk Dolph Ziggler. Yeah, Ziggler did not fall down the ladder so precipitously because of three months of this booking. He was still hot for a good year or two in that position.
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