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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 29, 2020 6:33:13 GMT -5
He's an outspoken defender of Kevin Nash, always praised Shawn as a performer, Sean Waltman, Cm Punk... He always seems to praise new guys, but that doesn't draw headlines, nor can it be used as a stick to beat him with so it gets overlooked.
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Post by flakeymcgill on Mar 29, 2020 7:37:06 GMT -5
Thinking Hogan is a piece of crap is fine, there's plenty of evidence out there to substantiate that. But the whole still thinking nearly 30 years later that the reason you were kept out of the title picture until March 1994 was because in May 1993 Hogan (who subsequently left in June 1993) said 'no' to a match with you that was due to take place in August., is a level of delusion I can't overlook.
The whole "Vince really wanted to put the belt on me but Hogan refused to job so once he left the company Vince had no choice but to create a new Hulk Hogan to put in the main event picture" is really laughable for a grown man like Bret to actually believe.
If Vince wanted Hogan to put Bret over at Summerslam then the actual main even at Summerslam would have been Bret vs Yoko for the title. The fact it wasn't is fatal to the conspiracy theory that somehow the only reason Bret didn't get the strap is because Hogan refused to put him over.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 29, 2020 8:30:39 GMT -5
Meltzer says there was originally meant to be a Bret/Hogan feud with them doing House shows in Canada helping WCW break into the Canadian market. He also said that it was Hogan who put the breaks on that. Most of the time I can understand Hogan being selfish with his creative control because it would have limited his drawing power, but this is literally setting Scrooge McDuck's vault on fire because he would have had to lose at play fighting. there's a damn good reason WCW never escaped being "that other wrestling show" up here.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Mar 29, 2020 8:45:38 GMT -5
Bret's main issue should be with Vince because that was typical him, getting wrestlers mad at other wrestlers to keep Vince having the most power.
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Post by mauled on Mar 29, 2020 8:52:54 GMT -5
Thinking Hogan is a piece of crap is fine, there's plenty of evidence out there to substantiate that. But the whole still thinking nearly 30 years later that the reason you were kept out of the title picture until March 1994 was because in May 1993 Hogan (who subsequently left in June 1993) said 'no' to a match with you that was due to take place in August., is a level of delusion I can't overlook. The whole "Vince really wanted to put the belt on me but Hogan refused to job so once he left the company Vince had no choice but to create a new Hulk Hogan to put in the main event picture" is really laughable for a grown man like Bret to actually believe. If Vince wanted Hogan to put Bret over at Summerslam then the actual main even at Summerslam would have been Bret vs Yoko for the title. The fact it wasn't is fatal to the conspiracy theory that somehow the only reason Bret didn't get the strap is because Hogan refused to put him over. Hogan has more than said his own stuff about Bret youtu.be/WV6mf9ijX8s
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 29, 2020 9:15:42 GMT -5
Thinking Hogan is a piece of crap is fine, there's plenty of evidence out there to substantiate that. But the whole still thinking nearly 30 years later that the reason you were kept out of the title picture until March 1994 was because in May 1993 Hogan (who subsequently left in June 1993) said 'no' to a match with you that was due to take place in August., is a level of delusion I can't overlook. The whole "Vince really wanted to put the belt on me but Hogan refused to job so once he left the company Vince had no choice but to create a new Hulk Hogan to put in the main event picture" is really laughable for a grown man like Bret to actually believe. If Vince wanted Hogan to put Bret over at Summerslam then the actual main even at Summerslam would have been Bret vs Yoko for the title. The fact it wasn't is fatal to the conspiracy theory that somehow the only reason Bret didn't get the strap is because Hogan refused to put him over. Hogan has more than said his own stuff about Bret youtu.be/WV6mf9ijX8sWeren't Hogan and Flair eager participants in the burial DVD they began making before Bret's return?
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 29, 2020 9:29:33 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that in a global pandemic, Bret Hart has a dig at Hogan.
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Post by mauled on Mar 29, 2020 10:03:49 GMT -5
Weren't Hogan and Flair eager participants in the burial DVD they began making before Bret's return? Yep, Vince did a Screwed The Bret Hart Story. It had Hogan and Flair (and Trips and Shawn) taking shots at him. Vince showed it to him which was why he did the best there is DVD
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Post by chronocross on Mar 29, 2020 10:12:46 GMT -5
Austin, Piper, Foley off the top of my head. He also spoke highly of Booker and Benoit during his time in WCW, though he didn't like working with Dean Malenko very much as I recall.
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Post by mauled on Mar 29, 2020 10:20:17 GMT -5
Austin, Piper, Foley off the top of my head. He also spoke highly of Booker and Benoit during his time in WCW, though he didn't like working with Dean Malenko very much as I recall. Yeah he said Malenko injured him then left without apologising. Sounds very similar to his brother and Austin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 14:43:22 GMT -5
Stating the obvious here, but I was just sitting around thinking about how 1997-2000 alone was so unbelievably brutal for Bret:
Gets publicly f***ed over and embarassed, and in the immediate aftermath the guy who f***ed him has his most profitable year ever and becomes a wildly popular onscreen character, he goes to WCW and immediately becomes "a guy" and goes back under Hogan's thumb, his brother f***ing dies working for the company that did him dirty, then his career abruptly ends in the match with Goldberg.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 29, 2020 16:11:22 GMT -5
Stating the obvious here, but I was just sitting around thinking about how 1997-2000 alone was so unbelievably brutal for Bret: Gets publicly f***ed over and embarassed, and in the immediate aftermath the guy who f***ed him has his most profitable year ever and becomes a wildly popular onscreen character, he goes to WCW and immediately becomes "a guy" and goes back under Hogan's thumb, his brother f***ing dies working for the company that did him dirty, then his career abruptly ends in the match with Goldberg. Hell, extend that just a bit further and you get his parents passing away, along with a lot more extended family drama stemming from all the aforementioned controversies and tragedies, plus more and more deaths among his fellow wrestlers, and Bret having a stroke. It's kind of a wonder the guy can keep his head on straight after all that.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 29, 2020 16:27:05 GMT -5
Stating the obvious here, but I was just sitting around thinking about how 1997-2000 alone was so unbelievably brutal for Bret: Gets publicly f***ed over and embarassed, and in the immediate aftermath the guy who f***ed him has his most profitable year ever and becomes a wildly popular onscreen character, he goes to WCW and immediately becomes "a guy" and goes back under Hogan's thumb, his brother f***ing dies working for the company that did him dirty, then his career abruptly ends in the match with Goldberg. Hell, extend that just a bit further and you get his parents passing away, along with a lot more extended family drama stemming from all the aforementioned controversies and tragedies, plus more and more deaths among his fellow wrestlers, and Bret having a stroke. It's kind of a wonder the guy can keep his head on straight after all that. Davey dying in there as well.
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Post by flakeymcgill on Mar 29, 2020 16:31:38 GMT -5
Going by his comments on the Broken Skull interview with Austin, I don't think a finish for the match at the Survivor Series in Montreal was ever firmly agreed. Seems rather naive even going out to the ring that night given the circumstances. Given what we know from first-hand account of those who were there a screwjob finish was certainly openly discussed among the creative team according to Prichard, Cornette, Russo and maybe others so it must have been something the boys discussed and a possibility Bret was aware of.
Why not draw line in the sand: either we agree a finish or I'm not going out?
It seems all Bret had was "we'll work it out" and on the basis of that was happy to step through the curtain. Like the SS93 example, it does seem as if Bret believes what he's told where with other people you'd expect alarm bells to be ringing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 16:44:53 GMT -5
I completely believe Bret when he says he was told that Hulk was dropping the belt to him. Beyond that, there’s a strong chance he was played badly, and Hogan was used as the vest to shield Vince from the bullets.
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Post by flakeymcgill on Mar 29, 2020 16:52:56 GMT -5
I completely believe Bret when he says he was told that Hulk was dropping the belt to him. Beyond that, there’s a strong chance he was played badly, and Hogan was used as the vest to shield Vince from the bullets. I think you're right. You do wonder though how someone in the company at the time couldn't see the signs. Even if Vince did say that to Bret, and I 100% believe he did... Vince had just created a new monster Japanese heel Vince had booked a July 4th TV special on board the USS Intrepid to be centred around that monster Japanese heel Vince loves nationalistic jingoism Vince was obviously going to make Japan vs USA the theme for the summer ....as a Canadian you believe all this will culminate in you winning the title. Nothwithstanding that, how do you even get to Bret vs Hogan for the title without Hogan beating Yoko, so you'd also have to think Vince would have wanted to bury his monster heel and push him down the card so quickly. And what would have July 4th have been? A big promotion for a guy who Vince already was willing to remove from the title picture due to the fact he'd have just lost to Hogan a few weeks earlier? And what would be the point of that? "Can anyone slam this monster heel...who isn't really monster because we've just seen him lose on a PPV...but let's see if we can make it work..." All that stacked against: "Vince told me so, and he never lies" Sometimes I wonder if I'm too hard on Bret but it's really difficult to believe someone is genuinely that obtuse.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 29, 2020 17:37:25 GMT -5
He also spoke highly of Booker and Benoit during his time in WCW, though he didn't like working with Dean Malenko very much as I recall. Yeah he said Malenko injured him then left without apologising. Sounds very similar to his brother and Austin. Malenko did a spot Bret expressly asked him not to do because he didn't believe he was strong enough to pull it off on someone larger than a cruiserweight, he did it anyway and injured him in the process because shockingly, he wasn't strong enough.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 29, 2020 21:19:32 GMT -5
He also spoke highly of Booker and Benoit during his time in WCW, though he didn't like working with Dean Malenko very much as I recall. Yeah he said Malenko injured him then left without apologising. Sounds very similar to his brother and Austin. It was a groin pull the likes of which you’ve never seen.
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Post by y4j1981 on Mar 29, 2020 21:57:21 GMT -5
He's an outspoken defender of Kevin Nash, always praised Shawn as a performer, Sean Waltman, Cm Punk... He always seems to praise new guys, but that doesn't draw headlines, nor can it be used as a stick to beat him with so it gets overlooked. Aren't Nash and Bret on the outs right now?..over Bret's comments bout how the Kliq wanted Bret to be their leader with Nash, Hall, and Pac denying it? ...then again, you can go on YouTube and find many different vids with Nash saying he hates or likes Bret, so I guess it depends on Nash's mood at the time
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Post by Dub H on Mar 30, 2020 0:17:03 GMT -5
Does anyone truly like Hogan?
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