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Post by Talent Name on Apr 23, 2020 14:15:21 GMT -5
He's a worse superman than Hyperion Which Hyperion? There's literally ten of them now. Squadron Supreme of America
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 14:55:32 GMT -5
Which Hyperion? There's literally ten of them now. Squadron Supreme of America I've always wanted to see something done to clean up the Hyperion deal. I said ten, but really, there's eight different Hyperions that are either in 616 or have strong ties to it. - the first to show up way back when was supposedly aka Zhib-Ran from the Microverse. Fought the Avengers as part of the Squadron Sinister. Eventually revealed to be a construct of the Grandmaster and dies battling the next Hyperion on the list - a few years later, the "real" Hyperion (and Squadron Supreme) show up in comics, belonging to Earth-S and are the ones in the '80s mini. Spent years on 616 during the 90s/2000s after being stranded there. Revealed at one point to be the last Eternal of his reality. - 30+ years after his clone showed up, the real Zhib-Ran from the Microverse shows up in the pages of Fabian Nicieza's Thunderbolts. - Around the same time, King Hyperion is recruited into the Exiles stuff. He eventually gets stuck on 616 and recruited into Cage's Thunderbolts, believing he's the previously-listed one. - Then there's the "Supreme Power" Hyperion - while he never went to 616 that I'm aware of, several of his reality's inhabitants are stuck there now, so he has strong ties to it. - There's the Project: PEGASUS clone based on cells of the Earth-S version (who stayed at PP while stranded in 616). This one died in the Marvel Zombies Supreme mini, but his body is still on 616 - Hickman's Hyperion that showed up as part of his Avengers relaunch. Not from 616, he was rescued from his dying reality by AIM and brought to 616. - The Hyperion of Squadron Supreme America, who turns out to be a Mephisto construct. Whole things just a mess.
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Post by Scoops on Apr 23, 2020 17:46:23 GMT -5
And some of y'all were questioning a couple pages back why I made my opinion on Morrison being allowed to write the in-canon stuff. Oh his run on Batman was largely terrible. I think in theory recanonizing his 60s and 70s adventures could have worked but in practice the attempt was just too weird. And Damien as originally conceived was a flat out terrible character who was only salvaged when Peter Tomasi started writing him. And I say this all as probably the most unabashed Grant Morrison fanboy on the boards. I have to disagree with this. I like a lot of Tomasi's work but his Damian is probably my least favorite version of the character (I stopped reading comics around DC Rebirth though). Morrison's Damian was great because he was a little shit that sacrificed everything but ultimately kept the ego and sense of entitlement. Millar's short Batgirl run was even better as it showed his vulnerability and played up his more over the top characteristics for laughs. Tomasi on the other hand wrote Damian as a sociopath that hurt people because he lacked empathy and needed to do it. No, he hurt people because he saw it as a more efficient way to fight crime and he's an asshole! Also, to add to the unpopular opinions, I thought the Tomasi's silent issue Damian's death was lazy. Adding another controversial opinion, I hate how much of the discussion on comic books come down to tone. There's always a demand that superheroes be lighthearted fun for all ages, and I hate it. The problem is it puts superheroes in box, when the fun thing about them is how versatile they are and their ability to be almost anything. I'm not saying that superman should be grim and gritty or that dark comics need to have rape or gratuitous violence, I'm also not saying that all comics should be dark or that most should be, far from it. What I like is diversity. Give me books like The Omega Men and and All Star Superman both at the same time.
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Post by Glitch on Apr 23, 2020 22:23:38 GMT -5
Having the Joker turn against the Red Skull because "I'm an AMERICAN criminal " seems so out of character for The Joker. I dont know why it gets praised.
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Post by chrom on Apr 23, 2020 22:31:01 GMT -5
Having the Joker turn against the Red Skull because "I'm an AMERICAN criminal " seems so out of character for The Joker. I dont know why it gets praised. Because even deranged psychopaths will stand up for Old Glory in the face of Nazis.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Apr 23, 2020 22:45:29 GMT -5
Having the Joker turn against the Red Skull because "I'm an AMERICAN criminal " seems so out of character for The Joker. I dont know why it gets praised. It was the best part of "The Rocketeer"...
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 23, 2020 23:55:08 GMT -5
Having the Joker turn against the Red Skull because "I'm an AMERICAN criminal " seems so out of character for The Joker. I dont know why it gets praised. I'd argue it still has the dark edged comedy that the Joker is known for. It would totally be in character for him to state yeah he's killed a ton of people... but I'm not a Nazi!
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Post by thechase on Apr 24, 2020 8:00:12 GMT -5
Having the Joker turn against the Red Skull because "I'm an AMERICAN criminal " seems so out of character for The Joker. I dont know why it gets praised. Wasn't Joker working with Iran at the time of Jason Todd's 'demise?'
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 24, 2020 8:33:51 GMT -5
Having the Joker turn against the Red Skull because "I'm an AMERICAN criminal " seems so out of character for The Joker. I dont know why it gets praised. I'd argue it still has the dark edged comedy that the Joker is known for. It would totally be in character for him to state yeah he's killed a ton of people... but I'm not a Nazi! There's also the inherent hilarity of it taking Joker that long to notice.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 24, 2020 13:04:22 GMT -5
I'd argue it still has the dark edged comedy that the Joker is known for. It would totally be in character for him to state yeah he's killed a ton of people... but I'm not a Nazi! There's also the inherent hilarity of it taking Joker that long to notice. yeah, especially since... Skull was wearing his "Swastika sweater" the entire time.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 24, 2020 14:17:59 GMT -5
There's also the inherent hilarity of it taking Joker that long to notice. yeah, especially since... Skull was wearing his "Swastika sweater" the entire time. Joker is a showman, he appreciates dedication to character. He doesn't expect you to actually believe it though.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Apr 24, 2020 17:11:36 GMT -5
"Comic books" could, and probably should, mean more than just superheroes, floppies, local comic stores, and Diamond.
Most first volume trade paperbacks from comic book companies should be published at $9.99 a pop, like Image already does with a lot of its trades.
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Post by Larryhausen on Apr 24, 2020 18:27:43 GMT -5
The Megatron redemption story running through the last few years of IDW comics is the best character arc in comics in a very long time.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 24, 2020 20:23:27 GMT -5
Claremont's run on Excalibur is better than his Uncanny X-men run.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 24, 2020 20:39:41 GMT -5
Comic books should at least try to be in supermarkets, book shops, etc.
While it was good for shoring up the industry at one point, having specific comic book stores for comic book fans creates a self cannibalising market.
Stories need to be in a place where the non comic book fan can see them, and in a format where a casual, first time reader can understand what the hell is going on so a wider range of people can be interested in and follow the stories.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 25, 2020 0:08:03 GMT -5
Comic books should at least try to be in supermarkets, book shops, etc. While it was good for shoring up the industry at one point, having specific comic book stores for comic book fans creates a self cannibalising market. Stories need to be in a place where the non comic book fan can see them, and in a format where a casual, first time reader can understand what the hell is going on so a wider range of people can be interested in and follow the stories. The big reason why comics left supermarkets is the profit margin is so slim. Plus kids arent gonna pay 5 bucks for something they read in under an hour. Unless there is major changes to the comic industry in the US it is gonna keep on getting smaller and smaller as the diehard fans age out/die.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 25, 2020 0:09:08 GMT -5
B/w comics just look better than color comics.
Part of that might be cause I am partially color blind. But I also like how in B/w I can see the pencils and inks way better.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Apr 25, 2020 0:28:09 GMT -5
Honestly Marvel should just stop with the Superman knockoffs. Hyperion, Gladiator, Ethan Edwards, The Sentry (and those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head) It's just lazy.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 25, 2020 0:50:39 GMT -5
Honestly Marvel should just stop with the Superman knockoffs. Hyperion, Gladiator, Ethan Edwards, The Sentry (and those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head) It's just lazy. Gladiator, I feel like has a more interesting wrinkle than most of them, at least.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Apr 25, 2020 2:06:40 GMT -5
Comic books should at least try to be in supermarkets, book shops, etc. While it was good for shoring up the industry at one point, having specific comic book stores for comic book fans creates a self cannibalising market. Stories need to be in a place where the non comic book fan can see them, and in a format where a casual, first time reader can understand what the hell is going on so a wider range of people can be interested in and follow the stories. Agreed. I would also like to build something off of your last point. There are too many writers writing big multi-issue story arcs and not writing single-issue stories. If someone picks up a comic that is in the middle of an epic, that reader is either going to have to shell out a bunch of cash to get the earlier issues to catch up, or they'll get frustrated that nothing makes any sense and not bother buying another issue. It's OK to have a secondary story play out in the background of the issue and have that build to a big event or reveal or battle, but if the one issue is Chapter 17 of the Epic Struggle, then there's got to be something that's really got to hook the new reader or it's for nothing. And if the readers who actually started at Chapter 1 don't like what's happening, they'll leave before burning more money on a story they don't want. There is the potential that each comic is the first comic that someone will ever pick up, and that means that each comic should have a story that can pull in a new reader and leave them wanting to have more. Too many comics are "writing for the trade". You want to write an epic, do a graphic novel.
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