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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 25, 2020 5:16:53 GMT -5
Comic books should at least try to be in supermarkets, book shops, etc. While it was good for shoring up the industry at one point, having specific comic book stores for comic book fans creates a self cannibalising market. Stories need to be in a place where the non comic book fan can see them, and in a format where a casual, first time reader can understand what the hell is going on so a wider range of people can be interested in and follow the stories. Agreed. I would also like to build something off of your last point. There are too many writers writing big multi-issue story arcs and not writing single-issue stories. There is the potential that each comic is the first comic that someone will ever pick up, and that means that each comic should have a story that can pull in a new reader and leave them wanting to have more. Too many comics are "writing for the trade". You want to write an epic, do a graphic novel. Not the call of the creators anymore, at least at Marvel/DC. They have zero choice on the matter. The company wants material for trades and nothing else now. That's where the money is made and that's what the bean-counters demand. It isn't going back to how it used to be. Said it before a billion times, comic books are the least important part of the comic book industry now.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Apr 25, 2020 14:15:59 GMT -5
Honestly Marvel should just stop with the Superman knockoffs. Hyperion, Gladiator, Ethan Edwards, The Sentry (and those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head) It's just lazy. Gladiator, I feel like has a more interesting wrinkle than most of them, at least. I won't argue there. I like Gladiator at least, and Hyperion works in the context of Earth S as a DC Crossover but with the serial numbers filed off.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Apr 25, 2020 14:19:38 GMT -5
Also I do not like Tony Stark as a character.
Even ignoring That Event That Shalt Not Be Named. I just find the modern interpretation to be a giant holier-than-thou elitist hypocrite for refusing to build weapons for others, while literally walking and flying around in a super advanced weapon he built for himself.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 25, 2020 15:11:29 GMT -5
Also I do not like Tony Stark as a character. Even ignoring That Event That Shalt Not Be Named. I just find the modern interpretation to be a giant holier-than-thou elitist hypocrite for refusing to build weapons for others, while literally walking and flying around in a super advanced weapon he built for himself. Civil War? Secret Invasion? Fear Itself? Axis? Civil War II? Secret Empire?
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Apr 25, 2020 15:21:10 GMT -5
Civil War.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 25, 2020 15:21:11 GMT -5
Also I do not like Tony Stark as a character. Even ignoring That Event That Shalt Not Be Named. I just find the modern interpretation to be a giant holier-than-thou elitist hypocrite for refusing to build weapons for others, while literally walking and flying around in a super advanced weapon he built for himself. Civil War? Secret Invasion? Fear Itself? Axis? Civil War II? Secret Empire? Armor Wars? Operation Galactic Storm? The Crossing? ...Tony's kind of an asshole.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Apr 25, 2020 16:15:24 GMT -5
Comics need to be less rigid in their continuity and allow writers more freedom to do things. Sure, have a very loose continuity for some things, but different stoylines should be allowed to develop and end in their own way without always going back to the status quo or being forced into a box with the characters. There should be storylines when Dick Greyson is till Robin, or a mini-series where batman kills Joker, or anything else like that without the whole thing being retcond or deemed non-canon by the next franchise reboot.
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Post by Talent Name on Apr 25, 2020 16:18:54 GMT -5
Civil War? Secret Invasion? Fear Itself? Axis? Civil War II? Secret Empire? Armor Wars? Operation Galactic Storm? The Crossing? ...Tony's kind of an asshole. That's what made Superior Iron Man work
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 25, 2020 16:22:36 GMT -5
Armor Wars? Operation Galactic Storm? The Crossing? ...Tony's kind of an asshole. That's what made Superior Iron Man work A friend of mine once remarked that Iron Man is basically Batman if "Bruce Wayne, upper class idjit" was who he actually was lol.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 25, 2020 16:29:29 GMT -5
Comics need to be less rigid in their continuity and allow writers more freedom to do things. Sure, have a very loose continuity for some things, but different stoylines should be allowed to develop and end in their own way without always going back to the status quo or being forced into a box with the characters. There should be storylines when Dick Greyson is till Robin, or a mini-series where batman kills Joker, or anything else like that without the whole thing being retcond or deemed non-canon by the next franchise reboot. Doing that almost killed DC comics a few years ago. Elseworlds stories are great... but you kind of have to have a main story for it to be elseworld of.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 25, 2020 20:19:05 GMT -5
An unpopular comic book movie opinion, if I may:
I find Endgame to be pretty dull. I mean, I get that they earned the right to be a bit self-indulgent but that middle act just drags at the expense of a first act that seems to breeze by a lot of interesting concepts and a third act that turns the most-anticipated battle scene in blockbusterdom into a pretty generic CGI romper.
I wouldn't call it a bad movie, but it's definitely in the bottom half of my MCU ranking.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 25, 2020 20:30:32 GMT -5
An unpopular comic book movie opinion, if I may: I find Endgame to be pretty dull. I mean, I get that they earned the right to be a bit self-indulgent but that middle act just drags at the expense of a first act that seems to breeze by a lot of interesting concepts and a third act that turns the most-anticipated battle scene in blockbusterdom into a pretty generic CGI romper. I wouldn't call it a bad movie, but it's definitely in the bottom half of my MCU ranking. As a standalone, Endgame isn't the best movie. But for people like myself, who went to Iron Man opening night, have seen most of the MCU movies in theatre, it was the movie I needed it to be. It was absolutely self indulgent, big time, but it was a love letter to a decade of films. It exists in its own little bubble
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 21:01:46 GMT -5
Thor Ragnarok was pretty insufferable. The movie's just two completely disconnected narratives clumsily smashed together, Hela's probably one of the most boring MCU villains (which is saying a lot because very few of them are very good), and it gets pretty grating how absolutely nothing is allowed to have any weight to it without being undercut by a stupid joke. I saw it and Justice League the same night and while JL isn't good either I'd a lot rather watch it a second time.
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Post by Scoops on Apr 25, 2020 21:19:29 GMT -5
Not sure if this is even unpopular but I got to about two issues into the (I guess) iconic Green Arrow/ Green Lantern series before throwing in the towel. Some of it has to do with superheroes dealing with political issues being common place now, unlike in the comic's code era but it suffers from the same issues Marvel event comics do where it takes complexed real world problems and solves them by having a guy in a mask punch it in the face. Another problem that I think Kurt Busiek wrote about is that it turned Hal Jordan from a daring space maverick into a dumbass lapdog, and essentially ruined his character for years.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 25, 2020 22:08:00 GMT -5
An unpopular comic book movie opinion, if I may: I find Endgame to be pretty dull. I mean, I get that they earned the right to be a bit self-indulgent but that middle act just drags at the expense of a first act that seems to breeze by a lot of interesting concepts and a third act that turns the most-anticipated battle scene in blockbusterdom into a pretty generic CGI romper. I wouldn't call it a bad movie, but it's definitely in the bottom half of my MCU ranking. Endgame has some great moments and great lines. As a movie, it's a poorly thought-out mess. Losing 50% of the population would not have caused complete cities to go desolate and empty. The U.S. losing half its population would have resulted in 1956-era level of population, and that wasn't exactly an empty world. It would have also caused undoubted upheaval in the structure of the political world climate as well as religion. Both would have had enormous shifts due to the aftermath. Treating everything like everyone disappeared and the world just stood there collecting dust for five years is stupid. The "bring everybody back" thing is stupid, no matter how you try to No-Prize it. Things would and could not have gone "back to normal" by even the remotest circumstance for decades. Suddenly having that many people to feed, house and employ again after five years of letting your world rot would have been a disaster. And can't even get into the smaller parts of that, like people who were in planes when they disappeared suddenly reappearing, etc. And the whole thing with the "evolution" of the Hulk, making him completely unrecognizable from all the previous films (and some of the other characters are guilty of this to lesser extent) and then not paying off his story arc that started in Infinity War was moronic.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Apr 25, 2020 23:21:01 GMT -5
Speaking of films, I have one: Batman '89 is one of the most boring movies I have ever seen. I've been able to get through it once and even then I can't remember half the shit that happens. It's bizarre because the casting of Batman and Joker was on point but it's just so hard to sit through. As far as I'm concerned the Burton/Shumcaher films started with a bland, boring film and just got worse and worse.
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Post by wildojinx on Apr 25, 2020 23:34:07 GMT -5
Civil War? Secret Invasion? Fear Itself? Axis? Civil War II? Secret Empire? Armor Wars? Operation Galactic Storm? The Crossing? ...Tony's kind of an asshole. Whats wrong with Armor Wars (which is actually titled Stark Wars in the issues itself)?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 25, 2020 23:36:52 GMT -5
Armor Wars? Operation Galactic Storm? The Crossing? ...Tony's kind of an asshole. Whats wrong with Armor Wars (which is actually titled Stark Wars in the issues itself)? The original Armor Wars from the '80s, where he found out somebody (he didn't know who yet) stole his tech, and he proceeded to go around the world destroying the armors of everyone he could find, hero or villain, just in case their armor had his tech in it, leading to the death of one such hero (Gremlin of the Soviet Super Soldiers).
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Post by wildojinx on Apr 26, 2020 8:20:27 GMT -5
Though I like the Death and Return of Superman story, all 3 parts (Death, Funeral for a Friend, and Reign) did have lots of unnecessary padding (seriously, that Superman/Doomsday fight lasted forever).
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 26, 2020 8:25:28 GMT -5
Though I like the Death and Return of Superman story, all 3 parts (Death, Funeral for a Friend, and Reign) did have lots of unnecessary padding (seriously, that Superman/Doomsday fight lasted forever). The "Death" arc I will let slide with the padding as it was a near last minute change (if you don't know the story, basically the original plan for that issue was the Superman/Lois wedding, but because the series Lois and Clark was coming out at the time, and they loved the idea but didn't want the comic to do it before they could, the plan had to be changed and they came up with the death storyline to stall) so they had to put something there. Plus, I did like how the amount of panels shrank the closer we got to the actual death part. Reign...well, when collected as a trade it is padding yes. Keep in mind though up until the destruction of Coast City, each of the four Superman titles focused on a different one of the new Superman replacements. Though I will admit that White Rabbit story that Steel had to deal with was pretty pointless.
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