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Post by mattyy on Aug 6, 2021 16:09:36 GMT -5
From what I remember didn't it come out that AEW investigated and determined no other actions were necessary. Another thing to point out: he was accused the same time Jimmy Havoc was. One's still there, the other isn't.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 6, 2021 16:11:21 GMT -5
I think AEW only issues a statement if it becomes enough of a PR black eye for them where they feel like they have to make it. Corporations are rarely, if ever proactive about these sorts of things, sadly.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 6, 2021 16:14:40 GMT -5
I think AEW only issues a statement if it becomes enough of a PR black eye for them where they feel like they have to make it. Corporations are rarely, if ever proactive about these sorts of things, sadly. Well Khan did make a statement about Caster's rap. Then again that aired on their show unedited so that may have been very unavoidable. In this case they might see how things develop online and go from there in deciding on a statement or not
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Post by Dub H on Aug 6, 2021 16:16:45 GMT -5
Do your due diligence AEW They said they did. There isnt anything new to do. Either new evidence/witness/victims comes out or they will keep the same answer I will post how this will go,because literally nothing will change. People will point out Darby can be a scumbag and that the accuser should be believed. People will point lack of evidence and that the accuser is not trustworty. People said they should investigate People will point out according to stories AEW received enough evidence to believe Darby is innocent. People will point out other times Darby an awful person. Shit goes out of control.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 16:20:04 GMT -5
The reason I said to try and put out a statement, really, is to be upfront about how you conduct these sorts of investigations. They did it with Havoc and Guevara and I know Darby's accusations don't compare but it's also much better to show how that is rather than be silent about it and make people think you're ignoring it regardless because of where Darby is in your plans. Like, not to compare it to WWE, but WWE does not need to address most of their SO stuff because, well, it's not going to affect them as much. Scalia and Devlin are on the D-at-best brand of WWE TV. The shareholders are reluctantly dealing with the Saudi stuff (with the occasional settlement here and there), and it's not going to affect their income. That's not to say this stuff is going to hurt AEW but this and the Justin Roberts stuff (which is a bit more serious than this, has to be said) can erode goodwill from the people who hear about it so it'd be better to try and show how you're dealing with them or even if they've been dealt at all. Along with that, you as a company have something to fall back on if they come up again because with how the internet and social media works, they will. I totally understand where you're coming from, I just am having a hard time working out how AEW and/or Darby releasing a statement would actually rectify the situation or be to their benefit in any way. Any allegation of relationship toxicity is, inherently, "he said/she said." If AEW puts out a statement, most people would accept it at face value, but the same crowd that is currently criticizing it for being silent would criticize it for "defending an abuser." If Darby puts out a statement, it'll basically be something to the effect of "I was dating this person, we were in a consensual relationship, but I was young and I admit that I made some mistakes in how I handled myself in that relationship." Again, most would accept that at face value, but others would criticize Darby as trying to justify or downplay abuse. It's just a no-win situation to discuss something like this publicly, in my opinion. The allegations are out there. They won't go away. There are countervailing reports of Darby as a significant other too, from another ex. Those won't go away either. To me, the only way this actually becomes any sort of issue would be for AEW to make it one by commenting on it. Darby was off TV for a bit the first time these allegations arose. Sammy was suspended. Havoc was fired. Excalibur was kept off of TV. By all accounts, Caster was suspended. It's not as if AEW is developing a reputation for ignoring this kind of stuff.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 6, 2021 16:20:50 GMT -5
Do your due diligence AEW They said they did. There isnt anything new to do. Either new evidence/witness/victims comes out or they will keep the same answer Did they? Because one of the things currently being discussed is the utter lack of any sort of public statement about the Darby allegations.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 6, 2021 16:25:23 GMT -5
Do your due diligence AEW They said they did. There isnt anything new to do. Either new evidence/witness/victims comes out or they will keep the same answer I will post how this will go,because literally nothing will change. People will point out Darby can be a scumbag and that the accuser should be believed. People will point lack of evidence and that the accuser is not trustworty. People said they should investigate People will point out according to stories AEW received enough evidence to believe Darby is innocent. People will point out other times Darby an awful person. Shit goes out of control. Did they tho? Unless i'm wrong I don't remember hearing anything about it and it just went away
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 16:25:35 GMT -5
They said they did. There isnt anything new to do. Either new evidence/witness/victims comes out or they will keep the same answer Did they? Because one of the things currently being discussed is the utter lack of any sort of public statement about the Darby allegations. I'm not sure the company ever actually released a formal statement, but Darby was definitely held off of TV for about two weeks, and then returned. At the time, all indications were that the company had conducted an internal investigation and cleared him.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 6, 2021 16:26:19 GMT -5
They said they did. There isnt anything new to do. Either new evidence/witness/victims comes out or they will keep the same answer Did they? Because one of the things currently being discussed is the utter lack of any sort of public statement about the Darby allegations. Thats true, it was a third party stating AEW received it,not direct from thenselves It was the same source that indicated Havoc was gonna retired and that Darby was about to return after being taken off
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 6, 2021 16:27:33 GMT -5
I think AEW only issues a statement if it becomes enough of a PR black eye for them where they feel like they have to make it. Corporations are rarely, if ever proactive about these sorts of things, sadly. Well Khan did make a statement about Caster's rap. Then again that aired on their show unedited so that may have been very unavoidable. In this case they might see how things develop online and go from there in deciding on a statement or not That wasn't a public PR statement tho just Tony talking off the cuff Unofficially AEW didn't really say anything about Caster so it was handled internally
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 6, 2021 16:29:02 GMT -5
Well Khan did make a statement about Caster's rap. Then again that aired on their show unedited so that may have been very unavoidable. In this case they might see how things develop online and go from there in deciding on a statement or not That wasn't a public PR statement tho just Tony talking off the cuff Unofficially AEW didn't really say anything about Caster so it was handled internally Yeah. That's how Darby was handled I believe Hell I don't think they even made a public statement about Havoc until his release.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 6, 2021 16:31:20 GMT -5
That wasn't a public PR statement tho just Tony talking off the cuff Unofficially AEW didn't really say anything about Caster so it was handled internally Yeah. That's how Darby was handled I believe Hell I don't think they even made a public statement about Havoc until his release. They got rid of Havoc so it made sense Based upon the way they have handled some of these things I expect it to be kept close to the vest until they get some answers. Rarely have they really said anything outside of like Havoc and when Excalibur took himself off TV for a weeks after the video of him saying the N word resurfaced
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 6, 2021 16:34:13 GMT -5
Did they? Because one of the things currently being discussed is the utter lack of any sort of public statement about the Darby allegations. Thats true, it was a third party stating AEW received it,not direct from thenselves It was the same source that indicated Havoc was gonna retired and that Darby was about to return after being taken off Again, the only source I've seen even talk about these messages that allegedly cleared Darby was some Patreon called Everything Elite. Yeah, it's great that they took action on Jimmy Havoc, but it seems really weird that nobody can even link a credible news source regarding Allin possibly being cleared of suspicion from AEW.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Aug 6, 2021 16:40:57 GMT -5
Darby would have been hurled off Titan Tower's roof with a trebuchet No, that's how Darby would've pitched getting eliminated from last year's Money in the Bank match. (Back on topic, ugh, the issues with litigating accusations on Twitter, sometimes it's outing someone like David Starr or Joey Ryan, other times it's much murkier situations like this or the Trent Seven accusation. It would certainly be nice if AEW came out with a statement if the whole "Darby showed Tony the receipts back when this came out and got cleared" situation was accurate, but... are they obliged to as a company? Maybe now that she's specifically named him?)
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Post by Cyno on Aug 6, 2021 16:41:36 GMT -5
Did AEW even announce the Sammy Guevara suspension or was that Sammy telling everyone himself?
Besides Jimmy Havoc being suspended to go to rehab and then fired, only other time I remember AEW going out of their way to say they took corrective action with someone was when that Spanish announcer dude got fired for being racist to Shida.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 6, 2021 16:43:15 GMT -5
Did AEW even announce the Sammy Guevara suspension or was that Sammy telling everyone himself? Besides Jimmy Havoc being suspended to go to rehab and then fired, only other time I remember AEW going out of their way to say they took corrective action with someone was when that Spanish announcer dude got fired for being racist to Shida. yeh that one was straight from then
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 6, 2021 16:48:16 GMT -5
Thats true, it was a third party stating AEW received it,not direct from thenselves It was the same source that indicated Havoc was gonna retired and that Darby was about to return after being taken off Again, the only source I've seen even talk about these messages that allegedly cleared Darby was some Patreon called Everything Elite. Yeah, it's great that they took action on Jimmy Havoc, but it seems really weird that nobody can even link a credible news source regarding Allin possibly being cleared of suspicion from AEW. Yea, it has been too in the dark and with this coming back up, they can nip it if they do indeed have details from last time otherwise it looks like it got swept under the rug TK is usually open and honest about his feelings on things so hopefully someone ask him what's going on with this if AEW doesn't release a statement At the very least, will be interesting to see if he appears on TV this upcoming week or do they quietly take him off TV until a resolution is made
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 16:51:52 GMT -5
Thats true, it was a third party stating AEW received it,not direct from thenselves It was the same source that indicated Havoc was gonna retired and that Darby was about to return after being taken off Again, the only source I've seen even talk about these messages that allegedly cleared Darby was some Patreon called Everything Elite. Yeah, it's great that they took action on Jimmy Havoc, but it seems really weird that nobody can even link a credible news source regarding Allin possibly being cleared of suspicion from AEW. The issue as I see it is that he can’t possibly be “cleared of suspicion” for this. There’s no way to conduct an investigation into whether or not someone was a gaslighting asshole in a relationship. In pretty much any relationship that’s ever ended, one side is saying that the other was an asshole and at fault, and vice versa.
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Post by markymark on Aug 6, 2021 17:14:01 GMT -5
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Post by markymark on Aug 6, 2021 17:17:21 GMT -5
Thats true, it was a third party stating AEW received it,not direct from thenselves It was the same source that indicated Havoc was gonna retired and that Darby was about to return after being taken off Again, the only source I've seen even talk about these messages that allegedly cleared Darby was some Patreon called Everything Elite. Yeah, it's great that they took action on Jimmy Havoc, but it seems really weird that nobody can even link a credible news source regarding Allin possibly being cleared of suspicion from AEW. That podcast also said Jimmy Havok was going to retire from wrestling and now he is a delivery driver.
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