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Post by eJm on Oct 18, 2020 14:58:05 GMT -5
There’s also a translation issue where there probably aren’t the staff to cover those sort of stories or the interest for many international stories not related to their own talent. Like, getting news from Mexico promotions outside of headlines seems to be a real headache with mistranslations or lacking of real context so it seems to be the same for Japan. Not that it excuses anything but the cultural nature comes into it too. That's on NJPW tho They need to be better than that. In the end, I just don't think they care. It is very WWE of them of saying it didn't happen on our watch or we are just going to ignore it unless someone makes a big deal about it This stuff with Will should be cut and dry like it was Elgin. Both guys were allowed to continue to work and eventually Elgin was stopped being used as much but they are banking on Will because he has committed to them and it is going to take a lot for them to punish him much less get rid of him Oh, from a company absolutely. They have an international presence, their company is profitable enough to hire HR that specialize in that sort of thing and I can’t imagine there isn’t talent letting them know. I was more thinking of bringing that awareness to the public from a press perspective. There doesn’t seem to be the sort of news interest like there is in the West or even Mexico.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 18, 2020 15:00:54 GMT -5
That's on NJPW tho They need to be better than that. In the end, I just don't think they care. It is very WWE of them of saying it didn't happen on our watch or we are just going to ignore it unless someone makes a big deal about it This stuff with Will should be cut and dry like it was Elgin. Both guys were allowed to continue to work and eventually Elgin was stopped being used as much but they are banking on Will because he has committed to them and it is going to take a lot for them to punish him much less get rid of him Oh, from a company absolutely. They have an international presence, their company is profitable enough to hire HR that specialize in that sort of thing and I can’t imagine there isn’t talent letting them know. I was more thinking of bringing that awareness to the public from a press perspective. There doesn’t seem to be the sort of news interest like there is in the West or even Mexico. Right. They don't have their wrestling journalist on it like a Meltzer or whoever to feed the masses about the news It is one of those things NJPW will without question have to improve especially if they plan to make a big dent in the U.S. because the fans will be vocal in a way they aren't used too However, right now they are still in a honeymoon period due to not being over as often
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Post by chrom on Oct 18, 2020 15:06:52 GMT -5
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Oct 18, 2020 15:19:48 GMT -5
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 18, 2020 15:32:48 GMT -5
NJPW G1 Climax 30 Finals October 18th, 2020 | Ryogoku Kokugikan Sumo Hall in Tokyo, Japan | Attendance: N/A
It all comes down to this. Reaching the end of the G1 is always bittersweet. It’s the end of some really good wrestling but you’re also kind of happy that it’s over. It’s an odd feeling. We’ve got a final that I’m less than thrilled about but their last meeting was good, so let’s see how this goes.
DOUKI, El Desperado, Taichi and Zack Sabre Jr. vs. Hirooki Goto, Tomohiro Ishii, Toru Yano and YOSHI-HASHI Some of the best G1 performers are in here. Taichi and Ishii were top of the line, Sabre Jr. was good, Yano was a blast, and HASHI was a huge surprise. Goto was there too. It’s good to have El Desperado back as well. One would assume that the outcome here would have title implications unless DOUKI or Desperado ate the pin. The match itself was your standard NJPW multi-man tag. It had fine action and was mostly here to simply set something up for the near future. YOSHI-HASHI is still a giant geek even after his G1 performance, eating the pin to DOUKI, who is bottom of the barrel in NJPW. There was help from the tag champs but still. The whole thing went 10:34. [**¼]
Post-match, Ishii got hit with a pipe in the knee and Suzuki-Gun beat up CHAOS before DOUKI challenged for the NEVER Openweight Six Man Titles.
Hiromu Takahashi and Shingo Takagi vs. Minoru Suzuki and Yoshinobu Kanemaru It looks like the Shingo/Suzuki rivalry will continue. Hiromu busted out an Ultimate Warrior style entrance. Shoutout to Shingo and Hiromu, who are, in my opinion, the two best wrestlers in the company in my opinion. Ishii, White, and Tanahashi probably round out the top five off the top of my head. I know the focus here was on Suzuki/Shingo but I think my favorite exchanges were Suzuki and Hiromu. That would be a wild match. Hiromu put down Kanemaru with Time Bomb at the 11:55 mark. It was probably done to set up Kanemaru & Desperado/Hiromu & BUSHI. Not new but fine. The match itself was good. [***]
Gedo, Jay White, KENTA and Taiji Ishimori vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi, Jeff Cobb, Juice Robinson and Master Wato I totally forgot that Master Wato was a thing. A lot of the focus is on the possibility of Bullet Club dissension. Again, this was another quality NJPW multi-man tag. Jay White continues to excel with character work and Ishimori is probably only behind him as the best guy in the Bullet Club, so it was nice to have him there. KENTA was a dick to Tanahashi, building towards another match between them most likely. Cobb and Juice also did their thing, while Wato was kind of just there with Gedo. Speaking of Gedo, he was the guy to take the loss here, tapping out to Tanahashi’s Cloverleaf in 9:12. A fun little tag that accomplished what it needed to and gave the good guys a win. [***]
Tanahashi seems to be challenging KENTA for his US Title shot. I think that makes sense, especially since KENTA pinned Naito. He can maybe get another top title shot, while Tanahashi wins the US Title shot and maybe faces Jon Moxley given his random connections to AEW.
It was announced that Wrestle Kingdom 15 will again be a two-night event. Intriguing considering the attendance restrictions.
The Great-O-Khan and Will Ospreay vs. Kazuchika Okada and SHO Will Ospreay and Bea Priestley are horrendous people. Had to get that out of the way. O-Khan looked cool yesterday but he was back to his goofy gimmick here and looked like a joke. The only positive about Bea being around is that she came out with the SWA Title and I’m all for them getting more exposure. The two best wrestlers in this match are the CHAOS boys and I actually prefer SHO. I loved that Okada started this by jumping Ospreay. He should be pissed about yesterday. They’re lucky they put O-Khan in there with a junior because he’s supposed to be a monster, yet isn’t very big. In fact, SHO looks like he could legitimately kick his ass. SHO took most of the heat and Okada did his thing when he got tagged in. After some involvement from Bea, Willy won with the Figure Four on SHO in 12:35. As a match, it was bland. For story purposes, it sets the stage for Okada/Ospreay, most likely in the Tokyo Dome. I like that there’s a new faction because NJPW is incredibly stale at times but this is not off to a great start. Will is unlikable so he fits the role but O-Khan is lame so far. SHO is awesome, though. [**]
BUSHI and Tetsuya Naito vs. EVIL and Yujiro Takahashi Yeah, I don’t really have much for this. The Naito/EVIL angle was good on paper but hasn’t really done it for me. BUSHI and Yujiro were clearly there to be the fall guy and nothing more. A bland match that saw EVIL win by making BUSHI submit to the Darkness Scorpion in 14:14. I couldn’t get into this and hopefully we only have one more EVIL/Naito match on the horizon. Just blah. [**]
G1 Climax Finals: Kota Ibushi vs. SANADA They’ve split their two meetings, both coming in the G1. The 2018 outing (****) was better than the 2019 one (***¼). Man, SANADA is progressively worse against everybody isn’t he? Commentary noted that the shortest G1 Finals in recent memory went 18 minutes in 2014 between Okada and Nakamura. We need more of that these days. You could tell these guys were going long and that’s not a good recipe for SANADA. Ibushi went after the arm, which was an interesting choice. Apparently, SANADA is a dummy as he didn’t really target the leg much. Ibushi had it taped up and was clearly favoring it but it took a while for SANADA to really go after it. The whole match should’ve been built on that. As we neared the 25-minute mark, I was surprised. This wasn’t dragging but it also didn’t feel like a whole lot happened in that time. That doesn’t make sense but it’s this match. As usual, the finishing stretch was pretty strong but this whole thing was just so odd. It was disjointed and didn’t make a ton of sense, yet still had aspects that I enjoyed. I don’t know. Ibushi won with Kamigoye after 35:12 to win back-to-back G1s. A hard match to rate. At times, I dug it and others, it was really bad. [***]
Overall: 5/10. That was kind of lame, wasn’t it? Even if you enjoyed the main event more than I did, the whole show was pretty bland. There weren’t any standout matches or even any major angle development. It just felt like a show where not much of significance happened. This came across like a “Road to” show and nothing more.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 18, 2020 15:42:13 GMT -5
I personally love SANADA's match style. And I think he is charismatic,more than Ibushi at very least least.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 18, 2020 15:50:45 GMT -5
I personally love SANADA's match style. And I think he is charismatic,more than Ibushi at very least least. SANADA is a very good wrestler. What he hasn't done yet is switch to that extra gear. Naito is tranquillo but then when he calls for it, he can take it to the next speed. Ibushi can go from flying Ace to deadly strong style killer. Okada is the same with his usual formula and can switch it up when he needs to That's the only thing SANADA needs. However, in saying that he probably has the biggest "cool factor" behind Naito. SANADA connection with the fans is undeniable and if he signs a deal, he will be IWGP champ
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Post by Dub H on Oct 18, 2020 15:51:56 GMT -5
I personally love SANADA's match style. And I think he is charismatic,more than Ibushi at very least least. SANADA is a very good wrestler. What he hasn't done yet is switch to that extra gear. Naito is tranquillo but then when he calls for it, he can take it to the next speed. Ibushi can go from flying Ace to deadly strong style killer. Okada is the same with his usual formula and can switch it up when he needs to That's the only thing SANADA needs. However, in saying that he probably has the biggest "cool factor" behind Naito. SANADA connection with the fans is undeniable and if he signs a deal, he will be IWGP champ The thing is I donr think he need the extra gear,that is his appeal. He jusy needs the push and stories
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 18, 2020 15:53:50 GMT -5
SANADA is a very good wrestler. What he hasn't done yet is switch to that extra gear. Naito is tranquillo but then when he calls for it, he can take it to the next speed. Ibushi can go from flying Ace to deadly strong style killer. Okada is the same with his usual formula and can switch it up when he needs to That's the only thing SANADA needs. However, in saying that he probably has the biggest "cool factor" behind Naito. SANADA connection with the fans is undeniable and if he signs a deal, he will be IWGP champ The thing is I donr think he need the extra gear,that is his appeal. He jusy needs the push and stories The extra gear isn't needed but it is a good way to change the formula As said tho, the man is IWGP champ material right now
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 18, 2020 15:58:51 GMT -5
I personally love SANADA's match style. And I think he is charismatic,more than Ibushi at very least least. SANADA is a very good wrestler. What he hasn't done yet is switch to that extra gear. Naito is tranquillo but then when he calls for it, he can take it to the next speed. Ibushi can go from flying Ace to deadly strong style killer. Okada is the same with his usual formula and can switch it up when he needs to That's the only thing SANADA needs. However, in saying that he probably has the biggest "cool factor" behind Naito. SANADA connection with the fans is undeniable and if he signs a deal, he will be IWGP champ Honestly I think the _most_ interesting thing about Ibushi is when he slips into his "Killer" state. When his eyes go dead and it comes across like he legitimately will not stop until you are dead.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 18, 2020 16:01:14 GMT -5
SANADA is a very good wrestler. What he hasn't done yet is switch to that extra gear. Naito is tranquillo but then when he calls for it, he can take it to the next speed. Ibushi can go from flying Ace to deadly strong style killer. Okada is the same with his usual formula and can switch it up when he needs to That's the only thing SANADA needs. However, in saying that he probably has the biggest "cool factor" behind Naito. SANADA connection with the fans is undeniable and if he signs a deal, he will be IWGP champ Honestly I think the _most_ interesting thing about Ibushi is when he slips into his "Killer" state. When his eyes go dead and it comes across like he legitimately will not stop until you are dead. Agreed Ibushi has a lot of interesting factors. He can fly, ground wrestle, strong style, just do it all. However, he gets that killer intent look in his eye like he will legit murder you and it is like a diff person He pulls that shit off so well
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Oct 18, 2020 20:15:45 GMT -5
Everyone hating on SANADA in this thread: I genuinely don't know what match you were watching.
I saw a match where he was just as good and, near the end, even better than Ibushi was. I also saw a match where he had the crowd screaming for him. So, I'm not sure where people are getting this idea that he's not a star.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 18, 2020 21:49:37 GMT -5
Boy. I don’t miss Ibushi being Omega’s fall guy at all. Happy the guy signed and is getting all the trophies and acclaim he deserves.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 18, 2020 22:49:26 GMT -5
Everyone hating on SANADA in this thread: I genuinely don't know what match you were watching. I saw a match where he was just as good and, near the end, even better than Ibushi was. I also saw a match where he had the crowd screaming for him. So, I'm not sure where people are getting this idea that he's not a star. There is almost an unfair expectation for him right now, now that he is getting a big push
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Oct 18, 2020 22:57:48 GMT -5
Everyone hating on SANADA in this thread: I genuinely don't know what match you were watching. I saw a match where he was just as good and, near the end, even better than Ibushi was. I also saw a match where he had the crowd screaming for him. So, I'm not sure where people are getting this idea that he's not a star. There is almost an unfair expectation for him right now, now that he is getting a big push I mean, I kind of get it. Trained by Mutoh and Kojima, made Mutoh's personal pet project but, he's getting into his groove as a main eventer and he's shown he belongs.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 18, 2020 23:04:11 GMT -5
There is almost an unfair expectation for him right now, now that he is getting a big push I mean, I kind of get it. Trained by Mutoh and Kojima, made Mutoh's personal pet project but, he's getting into his groove as a main eventer and he's shown he belongs. Don’t get me wrong, I get it as well but don’t get it mistaken this is the dude that had star written on his name years ago and is now fulfilling that legacy. He’s only like 31 years old He’s in that Jay White, Okada class of these dudes were good from their mid 20s and he’s now getting that chance. The man has gotten over with his stoic charisma being the coolest dude not named Naito.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Oct 18, 2020 23:06:50 GMT -5
I mean, I kind of get it. Trained by Mutoh and Kojima, made Mutoh's personal pet project but, he's getting into his groove as a main eventer and he's shown he belongs. Don’t get me wrong, I get it as well but don’t get it mistaken this is the dude that had star written on his name years ago and is now fulfilling that legacy. He’s only like 31 years old He’s in that Jay White, Okada class of these dudes were good from their mid 20s and he’s now getting that chance. The man has gotten over with his stoic charisma being the coolest dude not named Naito. I feel like his personality would make him a perfect long-term heel foil for Ibushi should New Japan decide to go all in on him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 18, 2020 23:13:39 GMT -5
Don’t get me wrong, I get it as well but don’t get it mistaken this is the dude that had star written on his name years ago and is now fulfilling that legacy. He’s only like 31 years old He’s in that Jay White, Okada class of these dudes were good from their mid 20s and he’s now getting that chance. The man has gotten over with his stoic charisma being the coolest dude not named Naito. I feel like his personality would make him a perfect long-term heel foil for Ibushi should New Japan decide to go all in on him. SANADA is a lot like Naito and I think they will dig hard into that at some point. Both were looked at, as Aces and "failed" young. SANADA was ruined and Mutoh lost faith while the fans rejected Naito. Both have found cool personalities that matches their in ring style and their fan connections is probably 1-2 in NJPW outside of a Juice Robinson or Ibushi On the other side, he's also a ton like Ibushi in the fact he's so over and they want to push him but he just has to sign the deal. Except he's more trustworthy then Ibushi but Gedo isn't taking that chance. EVIL has become the unofficial 5th guy with the 4 main event talents in Okada, Ibushi, Naito and White and SANADA can be that guy to actually replace Naito in that group if he signs a deal
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Oct 19, 2020 0:03:29 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 19, 2020 3:23:10 GMT -5
Boy. I don’t miss Ibushi being Omega’s fall guy at all. Happy the guy signed and is getting all the trophies and acclaim he deserves. Keep the door closed, weld it shut. Then build another door. What is there that'd remotely imply that'd happen, though? If Ibushi was ever his fall guy, and I don't agree that he was, it was because Ibushi wasn't under contract, so his ceiling was always going to be quite low compared to the top gaijin who they had under contract. Like, in what world would NJPW have been favoring Ibushi of the two when that was still the case? Now, though, it's a different situation, and ROH has, charitably, half the exposure AEW has, and probably less than that. Door's not liking staying shut if NJPW is remotely serious about Western expansion in a timely manner, especially given CMLL shitting the bed, too, and trying to f*** over RUSH and Dragon Lee and screwing up the relationship that would have gotten in the way before given AAA talent popping up on AEW shows.
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