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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 13, 2020 17:45:00 GMT -5
It's funny how everyone has all these ridiculous complaints about the Bucks but LITERALLY the only moves the Uso's do are superkicks and dives and you never hear a damn word. Why? Because they're in the WWE and that means they must be doing it right. The Usos will get a pass from guys like JR and Corny because they're the kids of someone they know, so are wrestling people, unlike those skinny indy kids who learned at outlaw mudshows. With old school NWA guys, being Jimmy Jones Jr counts more than where or how you work.
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Post by The Trashman on Dec 13, 2020 18:01:42 GMT -5
It's funny how everyone has all these ridiculous complaints about the Bucks but LITERALLY the only moves the Uso's do are superkicks and dives and you never hear a damn word. Why? Because they're in the WWE and that means they must be doing it right. The Usos will get a pass from guys like JR and Corny because they're the kids of someone they know, so are wrestling people, unlike those skinny indy kids who learned at outlaw mudshows. With old school NWA guys, being Jimmy Jones Jr counts more than where or how you work. Or maybe because the Usos super kicks look good unlike any I have ever seen from the Bucks.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 13, 2020 18:20:01 GMT -5
The Usos will get a pass from guys like JR and Corny because they're the kids of someone they know, so are wrestling people, unlike those skinny indy kids who learned at outlaw mudshows. With old school NWA guys, being Jimmy Jones Jr counts more than where or how you work. Or maybe because the Usos super kicks look good unlike any I have ever seen from the Bucks. I can't stand the Bucks, but these guys really do value who you're related to, Corny for example is never as hideously abusive towards Cody as he is Kenny, The Bucks and others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 19:05:28 GMT -5
Or maybe because the Usos super kicks look good unlike any I have ever seen from the Bucks. I can't stand the Bucks, but these guys really do value who you're related to, Corny for example is never as hideously abusive towards Cody as he is Kenny, The Bucks and others. Bingo. I like Cody, and he definitely knows how to work, but the reason he gets a pass is because A. Nepotism (which I'm not blaming Cody for at all) and B. His style is about as old-school Memphis 'rasslin as you're ever going to get in AEW. Frankly, I like the fact that AEW gives you so many options. You've got slightly cartoony acts like Jurassic Express, High Flyers, Luchadores, Japanese Strong Style, hardcore guys, etc. If there were one good thing to pick up from WCW, it would be the genuinely global feel that the roster and matches gave you. AEW delivers that. If anything, the ones that are floundering in AEW are the ones that I'm pretty sure got locked into working one style and one style only from the WWE (Sorry, Miro). JR himself, it could be argued, is locked into the style he knows and can't/won't branch out from it and "learn a new hold", to use his own words. Tony Schiavone most definitely isn't a Lucha Libre expert, but he knew when to hang back and let Tenay handle the heavy lifting. JR should do the same for Excalibur. That's not a "Get out of the way, old man" type of complaint, either, because when JR is on he is ON and if it's a main-event that's in his wheel-house he's still the best in the business. That all being said, Cody is nowhere near Omega in terms of in-ring, in my opinion.
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Post by Facetious on Dec 13, 2020 19:45:40 GMT -5
He can't even be bothered to get the dude's ring name right. It's Jungle Boy, not "Jungle Jack" or "Jungle Boy Jack Perry". He used to do pretty much the same thing during his New Japan run (Marty "Shurll", among others) and it's pretty disrespectful on his part. Then he got snippy on commentary and acted like he was only saying his name wrong to 'work him'. Even though he was calling tons of people wrong and didn't know who was who in the ring, claimed on twitter that he was never given prep material, only for people to see a post from the day before of him sitting in a restaurant looking at a book that was literally just a face and a name on each page. Not only that, he had been working the New Japan AXS show for some time at that point. And he was dogshit that entire run. I'm sure more people wouldn't care if JR had these opinions if he didn't willing shit on the product WHILE on air or make the lamest excuses.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 13, 2020 19:48:19 GMT -5
Then he got snippy on commentary and acted like he was only saying his name wrong to 'work him'. Even though he was calling tons of people wrong and didn't know who was who in the ring, claimed on twitter that he was never given prep material, only for people to see a post from the day before of him sitting in a restaurant looking at a book that was literally just a face and a name on each page. Not only that, he had been working the New Japan AXS show for some time at that point. And he was dogshit that entire run. I'm sure more people wouldn't care if JR had these opinions if he didn't willing shit on the product WHILE on air or make the lamest excuses. Exactly. This isn't just "but I like flips why does the cowboy man say he doesn't like flips", this is a continuous problem running for several years in multiple companies now that a lot of these issues are built on. It's never just one comment he's made, there's so much more going on.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Dec 13, 2020 20:53:30 GMT -5
Seems that JR was talking about Cutler, why him out of all people in the AEW roster? Whose more protected in the company.... Grumpy Old Man Yelling at Cloud? Or Dude with 2 contracts whose two best friends are EVPs in the company?? Yeah. Exactly. (Good for Brandon!)
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 13, 2020 21:20:35 GMT -5
The worst part about this shit is the toxicity it produces within the community and the domino effect
JR comes off bitter and grumpy, and gets his own co-workers pissed off
Cutler gets cheeky on Twitter about it
Serious or not the Old School Wrestling/JR diehards jump down his throat, actively wanting to boycott his matches
AEW is then called a "Clownshoes Company" and "This is why I don't watch"
The whole thing just gets really f***ing tiresome, it really becomes "Any reason to shit on AEW" for some people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 23:59:55 GMT -5
I mean, he’s not wrong. Dives are way overdone at this point.
Kinda OT but damn this board has pretty much turned into an echo chamber where any criticism of AEW, big or small is met with weird vitriol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 0:21:37 GMT -5
I mean, he’s not wrong. Dives are way overdone at this point. Kinda OT but damn this board has pretty much turned into an echo chamber where any criticism of AEW, big or small is met with weird vitriol. You know, I've seen post after post of yours shitting on raw and then, post after post of yours shitting on raw. You sometimes say stuff like you don't want to give up on either company. Like fair is fair, you go ahead, but you talk about weird vitriol and you pretty much just post how much you dislike both shows.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 0:40:01 GMT -5
I mean, he’s not wrong. Dives are way overdone at this point. Kinda OT but damn this board has pretty much turned into an echo chamber where any criticism of AEW, big or small is met with weird vitriol. You know, I've seen post after post of yours shitting on raw and then, post after post of yours shitting on raw. You sometimes say stuff like you don't want to give up on either company. Like fair is fair, you go ahead, but you talk about weird vitriol and you pretty much just post how much you dislike both shows. Lol uhhh I haven’t posted in a Raw thread in almost 2 months and I don’t recall ever talking about not wanting to give up on either company. I think you have me confused with someone else. This board isn’t kinda an echo chamber though? Address that part
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 0:58:29 GMT -5
You know, I've seen post after post of yours shitting on raw and then, post after post of yours shitting on raw. You sometimes say stuff like you don't want to give up on either company. Like fair is fair, you go ahead, but you talk about weird vitriol and you pretty much just post how much you dislike both shows. Lol uhhh I haven’t posted in a Raw thread in almost 2 months and I don’t recall ever talking about not wanting to give up on either company. I think you have me confused with someone else. This board isn’t kinda an echo chamber though? Address that part The f*** you want me to.do about it being an echo chamber? People can say what they want about the company. Are they flaming other users? If not, I don't feel the need to say anything. And the last few posts you had about Raw and WWE in general, two months or not, are exactly what I said. I didn't confuse you with anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 1:03:45 GMT -5
Lol uhhh I haven’t posted in a Raw thread in almost 2 months and I don’t recall ever talking about not wanting to give up on either company. I think you have me confused with someone else. This board isn’t kinda an echo chamber though? Address that part The f*** you want me to.do about it being an echo chamber? People can say what they want about the company. Are they flaming other users? If not, I don't feel the need to say anything. And the last few posts you had about Raw and WWE in general, two months or not, are exactly what I said. I didn't confuse you with anyone. Lol okay man, you got it. Have a good rest of your night.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 14, 2020 1:13:37 GMT -5
I mean, he’s not wrong. Dives are way overdone at this point. Kinda OT but damn this board has pretty much turned into an echo chamber where any criticism of AEW, big or small is met with weird vitriol. This board is the furthest thing from an echo chamber. We have legitimate complaints and threads about improvement all the time. It's when the complaints get hyperbolic or people just want to see AEW die or not succeed period is where I personally draw an issue which is why I said that shit online is toxic from this situation and others. It annoys me that if a negative thought or issue is disputed, it has to be turned into an "Echo Chamber" argument. That just belittles everyone who decides to post here, positive or not, and we really don't need to be doing that. Acting like this board is an "Echo Chamber" with AEW defense is ridiculous when you see some of the absolute sludge peddled against the company on a weekly basis online, this board is one of the nicest places for discussion about it, and it's not because people are forced to like the company or else. Edit: Oh... well my statement still stands but it looks like this took a turn.
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Post by Rave on Dec 14, 2020 1:13:53 GMT -5
Then he got snippy on commentary and acted like he was only saying his name wrong to 'work him'. Even though he was calling tons of people wrong and didn't know who was who in the ring, claimed on twitter that he was never given prep material, only for people to see a post from the day before of him sitting in a restaurant looking at a book that was literally just a face and a name on each page. Not only that, he had been working the New Japan AXS show for some time at that point. And he was dogshit that entire run. I'm sure more people wouldn't care if JR had these opinions if he didn't willing shit on the product WHILE on air or make the lamest excuses. I remember him, totally unprovoked, shitting on a group of enthusiastic fans who were shown on camera at one of the live New Japan shows. That and a few other cracks/screwups from him had to be edited off reruns of that show. Prob'ly not the only show edited because of him, either. Also remember people trying to defend the Scurll thing, saying that it was prob'ly hard for him to say it. They looked stupid when, late into his tenure, there were points when he did say it correctly. ...someone made this their hill to die on, wow...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 1:15:57 GMT -5
Then he got snippy on commentary and acted like he was only saying his name wrong to 'work him'. Even though he was calling tons of people wrong and didn't know who was who in the ring, claimed on twitter that he was never given prep material, only for people to see a post from the day before of him sitting in a restaurant looking at a book that was literally just a face and a name on each page. Not only that, he had been working the New Japan AXS show for some time at that point. And he was dogshit that entire run. I'm sure more people wouldn't care if JR had these opinions if he didn't willing shit on the product WHILE on air or make the lamest excuses. I remember the first AXS show I watched had a bit where JR started going on about AJ and Vader being the only non-Japanese multiple time IWGP champions, then preemptively went off on a huge tangent about how if wrong about that he was sure some loser in their mom's basement would correct him. It was obnoxious because of 1), the smug self-assuredness of it, and 2), Scott Norton.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 14, 2020 1:16:04 GMT -5
It's funny how everyone has all these ridiculous complaints about the Bucks but LITERALLY the only moves the Uso's do are superkicks and dives and you never hear a damn word. Why? Because they're in the WWE and that means they must be doing it right. One of the biggest issues I see when people discuss AEW vs. WWE is when they compare in ring styles. They're much more similar to each other than people give it credit for. And the differences aren't really in the amount of dives or superkicks. It's more subtle things like the pacing and formulas of the match. Promotions everywhere in the US are all working modern styles. You don't need to like it. But it's not like AEW is an outlier. What sets them apart for me isn't even their in ring stuff. It's their booking and storytelling.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 14, 2020 1:19:42 GMT -5
Not only that, he had been working the New Japan AXS show for some time at that point. And he was dogshit that entire run. I'm sure more people wouldn't care if JR had these opinions if he didn't willing shit on the product WHILE on air or make the lamest excuses. I remember the first AXS show I watched had a bit where JR started going on about AJ and Vader being the only non-Japanese multiple time IWGP champions, then preemptively went off on a huge tangent about how if wrong about that he was sure some loser in their mom's basement would correct him. It was obnoxious because of 1), the smug self-assuredness of it, and 2), Scott Norton. JR's thankfully not gone off on a bevy horrific tangents of grumpyness in AEW even if he's disagreed with certain aspects of how the talent are portrayed or booked. Though there was the time Omega came out dressed as Sans for the Halloween and he basically blew a gasket as Excalibur tried to drown him out. It's Halloween dude, if it was a random AEW I might get it but jesus just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's bad.
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Post by Facetious on Dec 14, 2020 1:36:43 GMT -5
Not only that, he had been working the New Japan AXS show for some time at that point. And he was dogshit that entire run. I'm sure more people wouldn't care if JR had these opinions if he didn't willing shit on the product WHILE on air or make the lamest excuses. I remember him, totally unprovoked, shitting on a group of enthusiastic fans who were shown on camera at one of the live New Japan shows. That and a few other cracks/screwups from him had to be edited off reruns of that show. Prob'ly not the only show edited because of him, either. Also remember people trying to defend the Scurll thing, saying that it was prob'ly hard for him to say it. They looked stupid when, late into his tenure, there were points when he did say it correctly. ...someone made this their hill to die on, wow... People tried EVERY defense for JR. I remember people blaming his decline on his wife's passing when he had been doing commentary almost a year prior for NJPW and sucking at it. He's been miserable the past decade and I think more and more are starting to catch on due to AEW being more accessible. JR can't stand criticism towards him.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 14, 2020 1:43:55 GMT -5
Thing about the Bucks:
They LITERALLY made a career of not listening to everything old man says.
If it were up to people like Corny and JR, they would never use the superkick ,which is a big part of their intial act and fame.
Is there VALID critscism?Yes as I said,I think the dive into people is overdone. But those old guards act like everything they do that is not according to then is some stupid awful shit.
Like you disagree with someone about it?Cool dont call then idiots for not listening to everything you say.
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