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Post by Shark on Dec 14, 2020 2:41:31 GMT -5
Thing about the Bucks: They LITERALLY made a career of not listening to everything old man says. If it were up to people like Corny and JR, they would never use the superkick ,which is a big part of their intial act and fame. Is there VALID critscism?Yes as I said,I think the dive into people is overdone. But those old guards act like everything they do that is not according to then is some stupid awful shit. Like you disagree with someone about it?Cool dont call then idiots for not listening to everything you say. What is so weird about the Bucks being used as examples too is that it's not like they are some young upstarts with a few years in the business. They're 35 and 31 and have been wrestling for over 15 years. They've earned some clout to decide if they want to listen to someone or not. The more interesting debate I am paying attention to is how the old timers approach talent with their criticisms. You have guys like Helms and Storm acknowledge that the way you say things matters and then you have guys like Les Thatcher who seem to have the attitude of, "Well I was treated this way, so I'm gonna treat you the same way." What's really interesting to me is that I remember JR saying on an old Legends Roundtable that the best way to approach Vince backstage is to converse and not to confront. But it seems that JR's own method of speaking with talent is to confront.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 14, 2020 3:15:49 GMT -5
It really is one of those things where if JR just said "I don't like the way dives are nowadays", this isn't a topic, it certainly isnt a thread worth eight pages of dicsussion.
No, he instead said everyone looked like idiots and it was stupid. He demeaned the workers doing the spot and also gave absoluely zero feedback on how to improve it and how to make the spot look better or how he would do it differently. At the very least acknowledge that it's over with fans, it's what works. Yeah he said he might be wrong, but he doesn't even acknowledge that point. The shows most talked about matches are the ones that go off with highspots, they keep fans watching the show, statistically, or The Young Bucks wouldn't be one of the most consistent draws for AEW. And they obviously aren't the only matches in AEW which prides itself on a wide variety of styles and looks.
That's where JR loses people, that's where a lot of these OLD MEN YELLS AT CLOUD vets lose people. At this point they need to realize some of the "kids" they shit on have longer tenures than some of the guys they used to work with. This helps no one, it adds unecessary conflict with people you're working with, adds fuel to the fire that you're bitter and refuse to evolve yourself despite your want and desire to stay within a business that is overlapping you, and it causes nothing but internet bullshit.
Maybe Cutler shouldn't have been sassy in his Tweet, but the fact he can't even seemingly joke about it shows that JR's followers and Anti-AEW followers seriously have a stick up their ass, look for any reason to shit on the company, or both.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 14, 2020 3:40:04 GMT -5
What is so weird about the Bucks being used as examples too is that it's not like they are some young upstarts with a few years in the business. They're 35 and 31 and have been wrestling for over 15 years. Being called “The Young Bucks” the whole time almost certainly skews perception of their actual age. Problem is, “The Middle-Age Bucks” isn’t marketable, except maybe to renaissance fairs.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 14, 2020 3:43:54 GMT -5
What is so weird about the Bucks being used as examples too is that it's not like they are some young upstarts with a few years in the business. They're 35 and 31 and have been wrestling for over 15 years. Being called “The Young Bucks” the whole time almost certainly skews perception of their actual age. Problem is, “The Middle-Age Bucks” isn’t marketable, except maybe to renaissance fairs. I think soon enough,if they stick around they are gonna by just The Bucks
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 14, 2020 4:52:32 GMT -5
What is so weird about the Bucks being used as examples too is that it's not like they are some young upstarts with a few years in the business. They're 35 and 31 and have been wrestling for over 15 years. Being called “The Young Bucks” the whole time almost certainly skews perception of their actual age. Problem is, “The Middle-Age Bucks” isn’t marketable, except maybe to renaissance fairs. They might need to think of something before Nick's hairline makes the choice for them.
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Post by Ryushinku on Dec 14, 2020 6:23:20 GMT -5
HBK coming out to Sexy Boy has been comical for well over a decade now, particularly as he's settled into his grizzled hobo look, so maybe the Young Bucks will need to do something eventually.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 14, 2020 7:32:45 GMT -5
Being called “The Young Bucks” the whole time almost certainly skews perception of their actual age. Problem is, “The Middle-Age Bucks” isn’t marketable, except maybe to renaissance fairs. I think soon enough,if they stick around they are gonna by just The Bucks Potentially. I mean The Hardy Boys and The Dudley Boys both also went by "The Hardy's" and "The Dudley's" later on in their careers, however both names were still used. It all depends on if they view it from a simple Youth standpoint or just their brand at this point where fans don't really care that much, it's just their name and how people know them.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 14, 2020 8:05:43 GMT -5
HBK coming out to Sexy Boy has been comical for well over a decade now, particularly as he's settled into his grizzled hobo look, so maybe the Young Bucks will need to do something eventually. "I'm just a Mountain Man! (Moun-tain Maaannn!) I had to kick Stan! (Kiiiick Staaannn!)"
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 14, 2020 8:05:55 GMT -5
Being called “The Young Bucks” the whole time almost certainly skews perception of their actual age. Problem is, “The Middle-Age Bucks” isn’t marketable, except maybe to renaissance fairs. I think soon enough,if they stick around they are gonna by just The Bucks I dont think Milwaukee would be cool with that haha
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 14, 2020 8:08:45 GMT -5
I mean, he’s not wrong. Dives are way overdone at this point. Kinda OT but damn this board has pretty much turned into an echo chamber where any criticism of AEW, big or small is met with weird vitriol. This board is the furthest thing from an echo chamber. We have legitimate complaints and threads about improvement all the time. It's when the complaints get hyperbolic or people just want to see AEW die or not succeed period is where I personally draw an issue which is why I said that shit online is toxic from this situation and others. It annoys me that if a negative thought or issue is disputed, it has to be turned into an "Echo Chamber" argument. That just belittles everyone who decides to post here, positive or not, and we really don't need to be doing that. Acting like this board is an "Echo Chamber" with AEW defense is ridiculous when you see some of the absolute sludge peddled against the company on a weekly basis online, this board is one of the nicest places for discussion about it, and it's not because people are forced to like the company or else. Edit: Oh... well my statement still stands but it looks like this took a turn. There are occasions where I feel you get too caught up in defending AEW and you jump down on people for the slightest criticisms. But I do agree with what you said mostly
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Post by markymark on Dec 14, 2020 9:44:58 GMT -5
AEW cant fire JR because for starters we are still in the pandemic(unless he does something really despicable like what Havoc did), and if they fire him, the Anti AEW crew and the JC fans will be supporting him big time which would risk AEW getting a PR hit tbh.
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Post by Rave on Dec 14, 2020 13:13:04 GMT -5
AEW cant fire JR because for starters we are still in the pandemic(unless he does something really despicable like what Havoc did), and if they fire him, the hardcore WWE fans and the JC fans will be supporting him big time which would risk AEW getting a PR hit tbh. I don't believe anyone said anything about firing him, but someone really should talk to him. These are recurring issues and it isn't helping anyone to let them continue.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 14, 2020 13:16:35 GMT -5
Why is this turning into a WWE vs AEW thing?
I agree with JR with his stance a little the super kick and DDT, but he should have stopped there.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 14, 2020 13:18:30 GMT -5
AEW cant fire JR because for starters we are still in the pandemic(unless he does something really despicable like what Havoc did), and if they fire him, the hardcore WWE fans and the JC fans will be supporting him big time which would risk AEW getting a PR hit tbh. I don't believe anyone said anything about firing him, but someone really should talk to him. These are recurring issues and it isn't helping anyone to let them continue. He's been talked to a lot. He's mentioned it a few times jokenly during the broadcasts. But he's of a particular school, and good luck telling them how to do things. I do think he tries his best, but sometimes stuff slips out. This wasn't during a show, this was on a podcast, so it's more understandable. The women's stuff is maddening, but he doesn't do it all the time. It just happens.
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Post by eJm on Dec 14, 2020 13:19:28 GMT -5
Why is this turning into a WWE vs AEW thing? I agree with JR with his stance a little the super kick and DDT, but he should have stopped there. It’s not? Like, the closest it came is mentioning of the Usos but that’s about how JR and Cornette have a bias towards second or third generation talent or talent with some kind of amateur or professional background which they do from their commentary and thoughts. It’s why Cody was also mentioned as someone who doesn’t get their ire as much.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2020 13:23:42 GMT -5
You don't have to fire him but you can pull his old ass off TV if he isn't listening to what you are saying
If you are just bypassing your bosses if they told you to cool it or "do better" and you still doing the same shit, they could take him off TV for 2 weeks if they felt like it
They probably won't tho. They've done nothing to really publicly embarrass JR despite him not giving them that same curtesy airing his grievances
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 14, 2020 13:26:36 GMT -5
Why is this turning into a WWE vs AEW thing? I agree with JR with his stance a little the super kick and DDT, but he should have stopped there. I've seen WWE mentioned once, tone down the paranoia.
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Post by eJm on Dec 14, 2020 13:27:44 GMT -5
You don't have to fire him but you can pull his old ass off TV if he isn't listening to what you are saying If you are just bypassing your bosses if they told you to cool it or "do better" and you still doing the same shit, they could take him off TV for 2 weeks if they felt like it They probably won't tho. They've done nothing to really publicly embarrass JR despite him not giving them that same curtesy airing his grievances Yeah, like, you don’t need to be that drastic, just publicly reprehend him, take him off TV for a bit and hope he cools off a bit. You have Taz on standby to take his place so it’s not like it’s a gaping hole or even Anthony Agogo since even with his inexperience, at least he hasn’t buried AEW Heels on Dark.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2020 13:30:28 GMT -5
Why is this turning into a WWE vs AEW thing? I agree with JR with his stance a little the super kick and DDT, but he should have stopped there. I've seen WWE mentioned once, tone down the paranoia. In fairness, "hardcore wwe fans" was just mentioned a post ago
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2020 13:32:04 GMT -5
You don't have to fire him but you can pull his old ass off TV if he isn't listening to what you are saying If you are just bypassing your bosses if they told you to cool it or "do better" and you still doing the same shit, they could take him off TV for 2 weeks if they felt like it They probably won't tho. They've done nothing to really publicly embarrass JR despite him not giving them that same curtesy airing his grievances Yeah, like, you don’t need to be that drastic, just publicly reprehend him, take him off TV for a bit and hope he cools off a bit. You have Taz on standby to take his place so it’s not like it’s a gaping hole or even Anthony Agogo since even with his inexperience, at least he hasn’t buried AEW Heels on Dark. It all depends on JR He's free to his opinion and his podcast is his own to talk about but if they talked to him and still not doing shit about him and letting him still act the way he wants without a care in the world then that is on them whatever he says cause they not doing anything to put their foot down
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