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Post by The Ichi on Dec 14, 2020 13:36:27 GMT -5
I've seen WWE mentioned once, tone down the paranoia. In fairness, "hardcore wwe fans" was just mentioned a post ago Yes, one mention like I said. That's a bit of a stretch to say it's turning into a WWE vs. AEW thing. Moving on.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 14, 2020 13:45:32 GMT -5
I don't think JR should be fired, he probably should have a sit down with the talents who feel he targetted them and clear the air. Putting him on commentary for the entire show was a poor decision, I can't help but think he'd be a lot sharper were he only out there for an hour to give the main event portion of the show a big time feel.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 14, 2020 13:49:21 GMT -5
My thoughts on JR are that even without this crap, he's not really needed. Tony and Excalibur have the better chemistry and the only good call I can remember Jim making is when MJF turned on Cody. I say this as someone who considers him one of the GOATs of announcing.
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Post by markymark on Dec 14, 2020 14:12:14 GMT -5
You don't have to fire him but you can pull his old ass off TV if he isn't listening to what you are saying If you are just bypassing your bosses if they told you to cool it or "do better" and you still doing the same shit, they could take him off TV for 2 weeks if they felt like it They probably won't tho. They've done nothing to really publicly embarrass JR despite him not giving them that same curtesy airing his grievances Does Britt shooting on him on Dynamite for not saying names properly counts? Or Kingston yelling at him?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2020 14:14:11 GMT -5
You don't have to fire him but you can pull his old ass off TV if he isn't listening to what you are saying If you are just bypassing your bosses if they told you to cool it or "do better" and you still doing the same shit, they could take him off TV for 2 weeks if they felt like it They probably won't tho. They've done nothing to really publicly embarrass JR despite him not giving them that same curtesy airing his grievances Does Britt shooting on him on Dynamite for not saying names properly counts? Or Kingston yelling at him? When I was talking "they" I meant the powers that be The talent don't give a f*** and letting it be known as Britt has done and Cutler with his "playful" jab
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2020 14:18:01 GMT -5
I don't think JR should be fired, he probably should have a sit down with the talents who feel he targetted them and clear the air. Putting him on commentary for the entire show was a poor decision, I can't help but think he'd be a lot sharper were he only out there for an hour to give the main event portion of the show a big time feel. JR is one of those people who won't take lightly to that tho Either he's on the whole show or he's not good enough to be on the show at all
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 14:18:24 GMT -5
At least they dont use it as a transition to a commerical break...
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Post by fw91 on Dec 14, 2020 15:23:43 GMT -5
Why is this turning into a WWE vs AEW thing? I agree with JR with his stance a little the super kick and DDT, but he should have stopped there. I've seen WWE mentioned once, tone down the paranoia. I’m including the “AEW crowd can’t take criticism” in this sentiment as well.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 14, 2020 15:27:03 GMT -5
Why is this turning into a WWE vs AEW thing? I agree with JR with his stance a little the super kick and DDT, but he should have stopped there. It’s not? Like, the closest it came is mentioning of the Usos but that’s about how JR and Cornette have a bias towards second or third generation talent or talent with some kind of amateur or professional background which they do from their commentary and thoughts. It’s why Cody was also mentioned as someone who doesn’t get their ire as much. Like I just mentioned, I’m being objective here. I’m including the “AEW crowd can’t take criticism” as well, A topic about someone’s post has been transitioned into an argument and jab throwing session.
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Post by eJm on Dec 14, 2020 15:28:15 GMT -5
It’s not? Like, the closest it came is mentioning of the Usos but that’s about how JR and Cornette have a bias towards second or third generation talent or talent with some kind of amateur or professional background which they do from their commentary and thoughts. It’s why Cody was also mentioned as someone who doesn’t get their ire as much. Like I just mentioned, I’m being objective here. I’m including the “AEW crowd can’t take criticism” as well, A topic about someone’s post has been transitioned into an argument and jab throwing session. Sure, but you should clarify that point before saying it, even if you are being fair because I hope you understand at first glance how it comes off.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 14, 2020 15:29:10 GMT -5
Like I just mentioned, I’m being objective here. I’m including the “AEW crowd can’t take criticism” as well, A topic about someone’s post has been transitioned into an argument and jab throwing session. Sure, but you should clarify that point before saying it, even if you are being fair because I hope you understand at first glance how it comes off. Yeah for sure. No offense taken here.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 14, 2020 15:32:35 GMT -5
It really is one of those things where if JR just said "I don't like the way dives are nowadays", this isn't a topic, it certainly isnt a thread worth eight pages of dicsussion. No, he instead said everyone looked like idiots and it was stupid. He demeaned the workers doing the spot and also gave absoluely zero feedback on how to improve it and how to make the spot look better or how he would do it differently. At the very least acknowledge that it's over with fans, it's what works. Yeah he said he might be wrong, but he doesn't even acknowledge that point. The shows most talked about matches are the ones that go off with highspots, they keep fans watching the show, statistically, or The Young Bucks wouldn't be one of the most consistent draws for AEW. And they obviously aren't the only matches in AEW which prides itself on a wide variety of styles and looks. That's where JR loses people, that's where a lot of these OLD MEN YELLS AT CLOUD vets lose people. At this point they need to realize some of the "kids" they shit on have longer tenures than some of the guys they used to work with. This helps no one, it adds unecessary conflict with people you're working with, adds fuel to the fire that you're bitter and refuse to evolve yourself despite your want and desire to stay within a business that is overlapping you, and it causes nothing but internet bullshit. Maybe Cutler shouldn't have been sassy in his Tweet, but the fact he can't even seemingly joke about it shows that JR's followers and Anti-AEW followers seriously have a stick up their ass, look for any reason to shit on the company, or both. He also condescended to the fans for liking it, which didn't help him. People have said plenty about the spot before. Someone even brought up the "oh but CM Punk said this" argument--hilariously--but it's worlds of difference in tone and in what's being said here. There's not liking something and then there's 'the business isn't changing people are just stupid'.
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Post by Celgress on Dec 14, 2020 15:35:15 GMT -5
JR really doesn't want to be here and it shows. Tony Khan &. co need to have a serious sitdown talk with JR because he keeps running down the product which does no one any favors, something has to give.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 14, 2020 16:10:00 GMT -5
JR really doesn't want to be here and it shows. Tony Khan &. co need to have a serious sitdown talk with JR because he keeps running down the product which does no one any favors, something has to give. I think JR wants to be there, but I think he's getting in his own way constantly. For someone who says the business isn't evolving the way he quips about AEW's women on commentary is showing the biggest lack of evolution in the business. Not taking things seriously and not trying to play up your companies strengths and instead sitting in your rocker talking about the good ol days and how things are shit now, while you're working for a modern day company where a bevy of 18-34 year olds are watching on a weekly basis, makes you seem like the one who is going to be left behind, watching outside dives through the looking glass. It's not wrong to criticize AEW, it's not wrong to say something might have been done wrong or you might not agree with a booking decision. Jericho has stated it, and say what you want about Jericho, he doesn't demean workers or staff if he has an issue, he simply says "I might not have done it that way". JR doesn't do that, and that's when you see people online trash AEW because JR makes them look bad, even more so when someone like Cutler speaks out about it, and he is the one torn apart by the people who follow JR's beck and call like gospel, and it's a mess, he creates unecessary discourse. JR was clearly brought into AEW because he has a mind for the business, and he also is one of the best commentators to ever exist. It's the same reason they brought Tony Schiavone back, a voice of a generation, loves the business, has a mind for it. Difference between Tony and JR is night and day, even if Tony doesn't like some things about the business these days, he doesn't rant about it, he doesn't rave about it and say his take needs to be listened to by this generation, and more than anything he sounds so happy and excited to be doing what he's doing, at any point in time. While JR constantly says he loves AEW and loves that they gave him this chance and he "never wants to work for anyone else", he has a real funny way of showing it sometimes. That's the kinda shit that's gonna make JR expendable, if he doesn't get his shit together, and doesn't stop doing crap like this. AEW has Anthony Ogogo developing as a commentator, they have Veda Scott when she comes back from Canada, they even have Taz who sounds like he loves doing DARK every week. JR's a name, a legendary commentator, but this decade, the more he tests that water, the more he's lible to get bit by a shark.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 16:37:19 GMT -5
I don't think JR should be fired, he probably should have a sit down with the talents who feel he targetted them and clear the air. Putting him on commentary for the entire show was a poor decision, I can't help but think he'd be a lot sharper were he only out there for an hour to give the main event portion of the show a big time feel. I've always felt like that would have a been a great use for Goldenboy, who they signed after really positive feedback for the matches he called, then promptly did nothing with. Save JR for the last two matches each night.
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Post by eJm on Dec 14, 2020 16:39:33 GMT -5
I don't think JR should be fired, he probably should have a sit down with the talents who feel he targetted them and clear the air. Putting him on commentary for the entire show was a poor decision, I can't help but think he'd be a lot sharper were he only out there for an hour to give the main event portion of the show a big time feel. I've always felt like that would have a been a great use for Goldenboy, who they signed after really positive feedback for the matches he called, then promptly did nothing with. Save JR for the last two matches each night. It was less they did nothing with and more they couldn’t do anything with. He was pretty committed to a bunch of eSport tournaments and season one of The Titan Games at the time so they pretty much could only get him when they did.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 14, 2020 16:48:33 GMT -5
JR really doesn't want to be here and it shows. Tony Khan &. co need to have a serious sitdown talk with JR because he keeps running down the product which does no one any favors, something has to give. I've seen "Doesn't really want to be here" Jim Ross in New Japan and compared to that, AEW JR is practically an enthusiastic cheerleader for the company. He's also very set in his ways in the ways he likes his wrasslin. He's not nearly as hateful or hyperbolic about it as Jim Cornette, but he's got his old man yells at cloud moments.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2020 17:59:25 GMT -5
JR really doesn't want to be here and it shows. Tony Khan &. co need to have a serious sitdown talk with JR because he keeps running down the product which does no one any favors, something has to give. I've seen "Doesn't really want to be here" Jim Ross in New Japan and compared to that, AEW JR is practically an enthusiastic cheerleader for the company. He's also very set in his ways in the ways he likes his wrasslin. He's not nearly as hateful or hyperbolic about it as Jim Cornette, but he's got his old man yells at cloud moments. Yea, if you watched JR in New Japan he wants to be in AEW. By virtue of remembering names, he's giving 100 percent more effort in AEW then he did at NJPW JR just doesn't want to be told what to do, which itself is a problem but that's up to the powers that be to keep him in check. It's good to voice your opinion and be someone to keep that crew grounded which is what they want but he's set in his way and on the opposite side of things
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 15, 2020 2:20:37 GMT -5
Eh, that spot does suck. Especially when everyone is just waiting around looking up. It’s overplayed. Cant get mad at that. I don't think I'd have nearly the issue if, in the middle of that scrum, guys were actually trying to throw punches, kicks, or forearms before setting up for the spot. You're meant to be convincing the viewer that you're in a fight.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 15, 2020 4:56:45 GMT -5
Honestly, I've been a little bugged at guys just standing around waiting for a spot, then I realized that a lot of guys are being taught that so they can be ready and in position to absorb the spot from the person jumping. I would rather guys were safely ready to take the spot then have guys fighting trying to make the spot look realistic and natural, just to move into the position at the last second and possibly not being able to catch the guy doing the spot and potentially injuring both of themselves.
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