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Post by Zen411 on Dec 30, 2020 22:58:22 GMT -5
Wwe has been criticized for not doing a tribute to Luke Harper/Brodie. Were they in the wrong?
Aew did a very nice tribute show as he was under contract there. Would wwe have been stepping on their toes if they did one too? He was in wwe for years whereas he was in aew for months.
Couldn't wwe have done something special with video tributes at least? Thoughts?
Edit: It’s now been reported that WWE have made a special video but decided to let AEW air theirs first.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 30, 2020 23:03:55 GMT -5
I was very disappointed there was no video tribute. I kind of get it, because I saw some rumblings of “WWE playing the good guy/stealing the moment” or some bullshit, but the man deserved it. He had a successful active career in WWE until very recently and touched every single man and woman he came across.
I don’t think WWE was actively trying to do anything wrong or scuzzy this time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 23:04:27 GMT -5
Fightful and PWI reported that a tribute video package for him has been recorded and prepared which includes comments from wrestlers. It just hasn't aired yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 23:05:36 GMT -5
They had a graphic, they had a bunch of references to him (and put up a video showing context alongside the references), and there's word going around they've been filming more content. It'd be nice if they did the ten bell salute but it's far from essential, they've done plenty.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 30, 2020 23:05:57 GMT -5
Fightful and PWI reported that a video tribute package for him has been prepared which includes comments from wrestlers. It just hasn't aired yet. Okay, so maybe they were waiting for AEW to do their tribute show first.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 23:08:56 GMT -5
No they are not in the wrong at all and quite frankly those complaints have been nothing but petty especially from Curt Hawkins IMO.
Raw was literally filled with tributes to the man from various stars and commentary all night just because they did not do a big tribute show does not mean there was no tributes paid to the man because there was like I said all through the night on Raw and tonight NXT had the in memory at the start of the show and there is likely to be more come SD.
And whether it was the intention or not it was better that AEW atleast be the first to do the big tribute to the man because that is the company he was working for when he sadly passed.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Dec 30, 2020 23:10:17 GMT -5
Fightful and PWI reported that a video tribute package for him has been prepared which includes comments from wrestlers. It just hasn't aired yet. Okay, so maybe they were waiting for AEW to do their tribute show first. That's my thinking. Which is a very classy move on WWE's part, I might add. I really wish we'd stop seeing people complain about what they did, though. They did a graphic at the beginning and let several talents, including the lead commentator, make references to him. That is more than they had to do. WWE gives us enough to be mad about as it is, I'd rather not use how they choose to pay tribute to someone who died as another reason to take shots at them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 23:10:57 GMT -5
You don't have to do a tribute show for every wrestler that dies. He actually wasn't ever treated like a big deal in WWE, so why would they give someone they didn't think was a top tier guy a tribute show? He was a top guy in AEW and that was where he worked when he died. Their tribute show makes sense. Vince McMahon giving this guy who he didn't even "get" a tribute show would almost kind of feel like bullshit to me.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 30, 2020 23:11:20 GMT -5
Okay, so maybe they were waiting for AEW to do their tribute show first. That's my thinking. Which is a very classy move on WWE's part, I might add. I really wish we'd stop seeing people complain about what they did, though. They did a graphic at the beginning and let several talents, including the lead commentator, make references to him. That is more than they had to do. WWE gives us enough to be mad about as it is, I'd rather not use how they choose to pay tribute to someone who died as another reason to take shots at them. WWE talent was actively talking/promoting tonight’s tribute show on Twitter. That’s nuts.
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Post by BatPunk on Dec 30, 2020 23:13:43 GMT -5
Fightful and PWI reported that a video tribute package for him has been prepared which includes comments from wrestlers. It just hasn't aired yet. Okay, so maybe they were waiting for AEW to do their tribute show first. I imagine so. I think since yesterday they have planned it to air before SmackDown.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Dec 30, 2020 23:14:41 GMT -5
That's my thinking. Which is a very classy move on WWE's part, I might add. I really wish we'd stop seeing people complain about what they did, though. They did a graphic at the beginning and let several talents, including the lead commentator, make references to him. That is more than they had to do. WWE gives us enough to be mad about as it is, I'd rather not use how they choose to pay tribute to someone who died as another reason to take shots at them. WWE talent was actively talking/promoting tonight’s tribute show on Twitter. That’s nuts. If anything, I'd like to think WWE asked their talent what they wanted to do and they asked to be allowed to pay their own tributes. Seeing how Big E, Bryan and Cesaro, among others, are on Smackdown, I think we'll see a bit more on Friday.
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Post by eJm on Dec 30, 2020 23:16:38 GMT -5
Can we not do with all this?
Especially with them likely to do a tribute video on Friday anyway (not that I buy the “Well, he was mostly a Smackdown guy” on that front because, well, who really cares about that stuff?).
Also I’m not going to blame Curt Hawkins for saying something because, unlike the rest of us, he knew the guy and what he meant to the locker room at large. I’m not going to tell someone how they grieve even if I don’t quite agree with it and also because he wasn’t the only one to say something (Kevin Nash was another).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 30, 2020 23:31:27 GMT -5
From the mouth of WWE's most critical critics: They did nothing wrong.
And the fact they have a tribute video lined up for Friday says it all. They didn't rush to get it done in a day, they gave it time to get it right.
There's a time and a place to criticize this company, it's not now.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 30, 2020 23:35:55 GMT -5
I don't think they did anything wrong. And look, they deserve some skepticism, especially in this area. There have been times where they've done even less for guys because they went elsewhere. I just wish they were more transparent about things which could make some of these conversations easier. Like, if a player in the NBA died and he started his career with the Hawks but made his name with the Clippers, it might make sense for the Hawks to hold off on a major tribute until the Clippers play. But the Hawks would probably send a press release explaining that and what their plans are. I just wish WWE was more open about this stuff.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 30, 2020 23:43:07 GMT -5
I don't think they did anything wrong. And look, they deserve some skepticism, especially in this area. There have been times where they've done even less for guys because they went elsewhere. I just wish they were more transparent about things which could make some of these conversations easier. Like, if a player in the NBA died and he started his career with the Hawks but made his name with the Clippers, it might make sense for the Hawks to hold off on a major tribute until the Clippers play. But the Hawks would probably send a press release explaining that and what their plans are. I just wish WWE was more open about this stuff. I mean, that's it. I just wish we knew what WWE were going to do, because Vince McMahon is such a f***ing enigma. We don't know if he's legitimately sad, doesn't care, or somehow an emotion worse than that which befits his perceived cartoon supervillainy. I'd have thought that for EVERYONE this would've been above the usual WWE v AEW dialogue, but... yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 23:47:27 GMT -5
I don't get this "stealing the moment" stuff
No one wanted this moment
The right thing to do was to give him a ten bell salute, a nice video package and maybe give some of his friends the chance to pay tribute to him.
WCW did a show for Owen. So there was really no excuse to give him such a half assed tribute when so many of their workers were close to him.
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Post by bearned on Dec 31, 2020 0:01:04 GMT -5
I have no problem with them letting AEW run their tribute show first before they did any big tribute on WWE programming.
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Post by eJm on Dec 31, 2020 0:01:17 GMT -5
I don't think they did anything wrong. And look, they deserve some skepticism, especially in this area. There have been times where they've done even less for guys because they went elsewhere. I just wish they were more transparent about things which could make some of these conversations easier. Like, if a player in the NBA died and he started his career with the Hawks but made his name with the Clippers, it might make sense for the Hawks to hold off on a major tribute until the Clippers play. But the Hawks would probably send a press release explaining that and what their plans are. I just wish WWE was more open about this stuff. I mean, that's it. I just wish we knew what WWE were going to do, because Vince McMahon is such a f***ing enigma. We don't know if he's legitimately sad, doesn't care, or somehow an emotion worse than that which befits his perceived cartoon supervillainy. I'd have thought that for EVERYONE this would've been above the usual WWE v AEW dialogue, but... yeah. It always does feel like they’re in a weird bubble of their own design, picking and choosing what they acknowledge in case it either might make them look bad or if they don’t see it as relevant. Like with Rosey’s death earlier this year, that felt like something that at least deserve a graphic of some kind and that didn’t happen which only results in it feeling like they don’t care which, I mean, some of their locker room clearly do. I do appreciate them wanting to do it right and taking their time with Brodie, though, since the story reached a point where mainstream outlets were announcing it so you can’t exactly feint rivalry ignorance when them and most of your locker room were grieving.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 31, 2020 0:03:03 GMT -5
I don't get this "stealing the moment" stuff No one wanted this moment The right thing to do was to give him a ten bell salute, a nice video package and maybe give some of his friends the chance to pay tribute to him. WCW did a show for Owen. So there was really no excuse to give him such a half assed tribute when so many of their workers were close to him. They did A match for Owen. Because they had Bret on the roster and it was some time after. Don’t get it twisted. This is a similar situation to Heenan giving props to Monsoon when he died. Carve out a moment of respect but in the grand scheme of things, they it really wasn’t their place to be the torch bearer on tributes for that.
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Post by Venti on Dec 31, 2020 0:06:32 GMT -5
This isn't directed at anyone on this particular board(everyone here is cool and respectful), but it kinda disgusts me that, after a beloved father and husband passed away, people on the internet are trying to turn it into an AEW vs WWE thing.
WWE did the in memoriam openings, several of their roster members did on air tributes to Brodie, and their is reports that they are working on a tribute video. But people are trying to twist it into a "WWE bad" thing.
I could very well imagine that if they did a full tribute show, there would still be plenty of vocal people calling them petty for trying to upstage AEW's tribute show.
A wrestler passed away, and AEW put on a very touching and emotional tribute show. Arguing about what WWE should and shouldn't do doesn't matter right now.
There is plenty of scummy things to call out WWE on, but this ain't it.
Sorry, like I said, this board has been cool. Just wanted to vent about some of the gross things I've seen on Twitter and reddit.
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