Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 23, 2021 3:08:19 GMT -5
On the Reddit thread Xavier Woods' response, people are rightfully getting on to Taker for complaining that the business isn't as hostile a work environment as it is simply because said environment is traditional and what he worked with. Even though it killed a lot of his friends and co-workers in the process.
Someone then replied that it's "The Boomer Trolley Problem: “It wouldn’t be fair to the people the trolley has already killed if I diverted it now!"”
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Post by 3cheers4ramirez on Jan 23, 2021 3:42:27 GMT -5
If all he said was what's been quoted on that Twitter post... then people are being way oversensitive. At worst it's just his opinion, and he even qualified it by saying that that's just how time moves on. He thinks some things were better in the good old days... which is something he shares with about 99% of people on earth. I'm neither a politician nor a mathmetician, but I highly doubt 99% of people on Earth are yearning for the "good old days". I haven't done a survey, so you may be right. But I've met few people who didn't feel the x, y or z isn't as good as it was in the past. That's just nostalgia. This board largely runs off the idea that the WWE is terrible compared to 20 years ago.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jan 23, 2021 7:09:16 GMT -5
Back to the Taker topic, did he ruin his legacy as bad as Hogan? Hogan screwed up worse, honestly. For a lot of people, it was dropping the N-bomb, which was very bad. For others, the big thing was the context in which he said it, which boiled down to basically, "I don't want black people in my bloodline", which is like honestly a hundred times worse. Yeah I don't see how a "get off my lawn you varmints" curmudgeonly old man compares to a racist piece of shit.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 23, 2021 8:07:08 GMT -5
Honestly Taker sounds like a stereotypical Texan in his 50s. Don't agree with his opinion but I'm not gonna call him a horrible person for that.
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Post by eJm on Jan 23, 2021 8:40:52 GMT -5
Hogan screwed up worse, honestly. For a lot of people, it was dropping the N-bomb, which was very bad. For others, the big thing was the context in which he said it, which boiled down to basically, "I don't want black people in my bloodline", which is like honestly a hundred times worse. Yeah I don't see how a "get off my lawn you varmints" curmudgeonly old man compares to a racist piece of shit. Also there are, like, thousands of stories of Hogan being a shit to people backstage whether it was using creative clauses or telling on teacher and throwing strops. The tape leaking basically said to people “Oh, he’s a racist too. Good to know”
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Post by 3cheers4ramirez on Jan 23, 2021 8:53:54 GMT -5
Also, I've listened to the first 20mins of this now and already he's been waxing lyrical about modern medicine, wrestlers taking better care of their bodies and how stupid they all were back in the day to take steroids because newer wrestlers have proven fans don't really give a shit how big you are.
You could easily select a few quotes, put them on Twitter and paint him as a super forward thinking dude. Or take the bit where he has a shot at video games and compare it to using racial slurs.
Basically, you'll agree with some things he says, disagree with others. I don't think you can extrapolate sweeping judgements on the man from either.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jan 23, 2021 9:08:59 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see how a "get off my lawn you varmints" curmudgeonly old man compares to a racist piece of shit. Also there are, like, thousands of stories of Hogan being a shit to people backstage whether it was using creative clauses or telling on teacher and throwing strops. The tape leaking basically said to people “Oh, he’s a racist too. Good to know” Oh for sure, even little kid me knew back in the 80's that Hogan was a POS. I'll take "I had to walk in a snowstorm up giant snowdrifts both ways" over "That doesn't work for me Brother" and whatever racist bullshit it took years to actually (properly) apologize for in the first place. I've said it before, and I'll say it again "only in America can you win hundreds of millions of dollars for being a racist".
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jan 23, 2021 9:21:17 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see how a "get off my lawn you varmints" curmudgeonly old man compares to a racist piece of shit. Also there are, like, thousands of stories of Hogan being a shit to people backstage whether it was using creative clauses or telling on teacher and throwing strops. The tape leaking basically said to people “Oh, he’s a racist too. Good to know” Right, this is the key difference. No one respected Hogan, so when he got caught out doing a racism it was just the latest episode of terrible behaviour, even if it was a serious and nasty episode.
Although with that being said, it's interesting how the Undertaker maintained his position as a respected and beloved veteran when he had his own track record of Hoganesque politicking that a lot of people seem to have forgotten, albeit not to the same extent. He made people look stupid onscreen (and endangered their safety sometimes) to get himself over, buried people to the office, and threw his weight around in the locker room as someone with special privileges bestowed upon him by the office. I wonder a) to what extent his close relationship with McMahon has contributed to the myth of him being a virtual deity in the locker room regardless of actual conduct a la Andre the Giant, and b) how many wrestlers who say he's a fantastic guy actually think that, and how many just don't want to burn their bridges by getting on his wrong side and risking him burying them to McMahon.
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Jan 24, 2021 4:56:38 GMT -5
At least in this podcast he doesn't use the phrase "you know" at the begining and end of every sentence like his appearance on the ringer. He should have just stuck to kayfabe and shut up, he is proving more and more with each interview how truly stupid he is. Like on a mental level he is proper thick.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jan 24, 2021 9:17:16 GMT -5
Also, I've listened to the first 20mins of this now and already he's been waxing lyrical about modern medicine, wrestlers taking better care of their bodies and how stupid they all were back in the day to take steroids because newer wrestlers have proven fans don't really give a shit how big you are. You could easily select a few quotes, put them on Twitter and paint him as a super forward thinking dude. Or take the bit where he has a shot at video games and compare it to using racial slurs. Basically, you'll agree with some things he says, disagree with others. I don't think you can extrapolate sweeping judgements on the man from either. I’d hate for this comment to get buried. That’s why I hate sound bytes. They can be used to paint pictures that may not be 100% accurate of someone.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 24, 2021 9:41:44 GMT -5
This thread took a turn. Did people listen to the podcast or just that one 30 second snippet where a guy in his 50s waxed poetic about his day? Taker talked for almost 3 hours and put over how things are nowadays compared to the past several times throughout the show. If your takeaway after listening to the entire podcast is that Taker doesn’t respect the guys now or how things are now, then I’m not sure what you were listening to.
And people are asking whether he ruined his legacy as bad as Jericho or Hogan?! One who spreads COVID-denying conspiracy theories and one who made some abhorrently racist comments?
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 24, 2021 10:42:01 GMT -5
And people are asking whether he ruined his legacy as bad as Jericho or Hogan?! One who spreads COVID-denying conspiracy theories and one who made some abhorrently racist comments? I'm glad more than one person is alluding to Jericho ruining his legacy. Anytime I post such on the other boards I get multiple people quoting me how wrong I am, that I don't understand he is both an innovator-creating this new, never before seen character and at the same time a guy who works an old school style back to the historical nature of kayfabe and keeps up the heel persona even in his personal dealings with fans. I would say he is far from close to Hogan on the horrible scale.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 24, 2021 11:37:55 GMT -5
Hogan screwed up worse, honestly. For a lot of people, it was dropping the N-bomb, which was very bad. For others, the big thing was the context in which he said it, which boiled down to basically, "I don't want black people in my bloodline", which is like honestly a hundred times worse. Yeah I don't see how a "get off my lawn you varmints" curmudgeonly old man compares to a racist piece of shit. the only difference between Hogan and Undertaker is Hogan got caught. Undertakers shit is dog whistles and red flags. Possibly because he's a coward, possibly because he knows he's wrong or possibly he just is that stupid, or maybe all three. We know he only play acts as a hardass so maybe he's scared of being cancelled and losing his job and possibility of never ever ever in any way being featured on TV again like Hulk Hogan
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Post by britishbulldog on Jan 24, 2021 12:26:54 GMT -5
Also there are, like, thousands of stories of Hogan being a shit to people backstage whether it was using creative clauses or telling on teacher and throwing strops. The tape leaking basically said to people “Oh, he’s a racist too. Good to know” Oh for sure, even little kid me knew back in the 80's that Hogan was a POS. I'll take "I had to walk in a snowstorm up giant snowdrifts both ways" over "That doesn't work for me Brother" and whatever racist bullshit it took years to actually (properly) apologize for in the first place. I've said it before, and I'll say it again "only in America can you win hundreds of millions of dollars for being a racist". Your last statement is the dumbest thing I’ve heard. Racism exists everywhere. And wealthy racists have come from all countries
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jan 24, 2021 13:04:25 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see how a "get off my lawn you varmints" curmudgeonly old man compares to a racist piece of shit. the only difference between Hogan and Undertaker is Hogan got caught. Undertakers shit is dog whistles and red flags. Possibly because he's a coward, possibly because he knows he's wrong or possibly he just is that stupid, or maybe all three. We know he only play acts as a hardass so maybe he's scared of being cancelled and losing his job and possibility of never ever ever in any way being featured on TV again like Hulk Hogan I’ve seen you make posts like this all throughout this thread. I don’t mean this to be confrontational, but can you offer proof of this stuff about Taker?
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 24, 2021 13:18:42 GMT -5
I don't care if that was only 30 seconds of the interview, it was still dumb.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 24, 2021 13:21:16 GMT -5
I don't care if that was only 30 seconds of the interview, it was still dumb. Praising medical advancements is all well and good, but then talking about how today's men aren't "men" is trash any way you slice it.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 24, 2021 13:53:44 GMT -5
the only difference between Hogan and Undertaker is Hogan got caught. Undertakers shit is dog whistles and red flags. Possibly because he's a coward, possibly because he knows he's wrong or possibly he just is that stupid, or maybe all three. We know he only play acts as a hardass so maybe he's scared of being cancelled and losing his job and possibility of never ever ever in any way being featured on TV again like Hulk Hogan I’ve seen you make posts like this all throughout this thread. I don’t mean this to be confrontational, but can you offer proof of this stuff about Taker? I feel the same way about Taker that I do about Hogan and Warrior. I love the characters they played on TV and have a ton of nostalgia for them, but I don't care for the men who portrayed them at all. Also, just dropping this here as the main thing that soured me on Taker. Mods, please feel free to remove if it breaks any rules, but it is a photo worth seeing, IMO.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jan 24, 2021 14:05:45 GMT -5
The motorcycle shirt was discussed.
On the other shirts, it seems like your basing you opinion on him supporting police and the military
Replying to that is going to border on politics, so I’ll just say supporting police and military does not make him racist and leave it at that.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 24, 2021 14:15:06 GMT -5
The motorcycle shirt was discussed. I saw a lot of very bad excuses for it and didn't agree with any of them so still consider it racist and relevant. On the other shirts, it seems like your basing you opinion on him supporting police and the military Replying to that is going to border on politics, so I’ll just say supporting police and military does not make him racist and leave it at that. No, sorry, not basing it on that, basing it purely on the tshirts, the sentiments from them and the people who've created them and why. Hence using dogwhistles and red flags to describe what the guys doing, and hence me coming to believe he's either stupid, a coward, racist, all or some
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