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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jan 24, 2021 14:19:45 GMT -5
The motorcycle shirt was discussed. I saw a lot of very bad excuses for it and didn't agree with any of them so still consider it racist and relevant. On the other shirts, it seems like your basing you opinion on him supporting police and the military Replying to that is going to border on politics, so I’ll just say supporting police and military does not make him racist and leave it at that. No, sorry, not basing it on that, basing it purely on the tshirts, the sentiments from them and the people who've created them and why. Hence using dogwhistles and red flags to describe what the guys doing, and hence me coming to believe he's either stupid, a coward, racist, all or some Ok, that’s your opinion, and your welcome to it, and I support your right to say it. And I personally wouldnt wear those shirts, mostly because I steer away from shirts that make political statements. That said, I do disagree with your opinion of Taker. But I’ll leave it at that in respect to board rules.
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 24, 2021 15:28:29 GMT -5
Undertaker has many years to go before he could ever reach Hogan on the disgusting level. Sadly enough, people still flock to Hogan's gift shop in Florida even knowing he will not be there-they just want to be able to say they were there and post some pics online. Even without the racist crap he is guilty of, Hogan was a known liar for years (George Foreman Grill, Metallica, The Wrestler movie) along with buying his underage son alcohol that lead to his horrific car crash and of course the only thing on Hulkster's mind during the jail house chat was getting that "real ality" show for his son. And then there was him disgustingly oiling up his daughter's half naked body on the beach. I hate knowing there was a "wrestler's court" though not many defendants have told their side of it but Undertaker is a far cry from Hogan.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 24, 2021 15:29:58 GMT -5
Do I even have to explain this one
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 24, 2021 15:38:23 GMT -5
From what I can make out a lot of Biker Gangs began using the logo purely for the shock value of it, basically being edgy for the sake of being edgy. Same thing happened in the Punk scene in the late seventies, loads of people wore the Swastika just to be provocative not to make any sort of political statement. Still bad behaviour, but bad in a different way to wearing such logos due to your political leanings. Here's a quote from the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish organisation which focuses on eradicating Antisemitism: Yeah, the difference is generally that when punks started realising that "oh shit, some of these Nazis aren't kidding" they policed that crap out of the scene. In my scene it's so heavily policed that wearing red laces with black boots is still a free ticket to SHARPs kicking the crap out of you 40 years later.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 24, 2021 15:38:37 GMT -5
I saw a lot of very bad excuses for it and didn't agree with any of them so still consider it racist and relevant. No, sorry, not basing it on that, basing it purely on the tshirts, the sentiments from them and the people who've created them and why. Hence using dogwhistles and red flags to describe what the guys doing, and hence me coming to believe he's either stupid, a coward, racist, all or some So you don’t have any proof, gotcha. Kind of a reckless way to go about slinging hate at someone with your initial post when this is the “proof” you have of your claims. Backflips said Taker makes his views clear through dog whistles and then posted Taker wearing shirts featuring very frequent dogwhistle stuff. If you don't know how those statements are dogwhistles, that's another thing, but totally outside of what board rules allow anyone to explain. But not only was proof given, it was proof of directly what their initial statements claimed.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 24, 2021 15:57:01 GMT -5
So you don’t have any proof, gotcha. Kind of a reckless way to go about slinging hate at someone with your initial post when this is the “proof” you have of your claims. Backflips said Taker makes his views clear through dog whistles and then posted Taker wearing shirts featuring very frequent dogwhistle stuff. If you don't know how those statements are dogwhistles, that's another thing, but totally outside of what board rules allow anyone to explain. But not only was proof given, it was proof of directly what their initial statements claimed. The initial statement I was replying to was that Taker is a Hogan that just hasn’t been caught yet. He didn’t say “maybe” he has views like Hogan. He said for sure he does and here’s my proof, he wears these shirts. Some people that wear shirts like that that overtly support police and military might actually be racist. But I think saying someone is definitely racist like Hogan because they wear shirts like that is not even close to conclusive evidence.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 24, 2021 16:05:06 GMT -5
Backflips said Taker makes his views clear through dog whistles and then posted Taker wearing shirts featuring very frequent dogwhistle stuff. If you don't know how those statements are dogwhistles, that's another thing, but totally outside of what board rules allow anyone to explain. But not only was proof given, it was proof of directly what their initial statements claimed. The initial statement I was replying to was that Taker is a Hogan that just hasn’t been caught yet. He didn’t say “maybe” he has views like Hogan. He said for sure he does and here’s my proof, he wears these shirts. right, I mean you were replying to someone elses question so I had no idea, I just saw the weird/vague Phil Ken Sebben-esque rebuttal
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 24, 2021 16:13:43 GMT -5
sorry man but it's torture talking about semantics and stuff like this on a forum thread, PM me if you want to
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 24, 2021 16:23:24 GMT -5
Of course everyone is concerned with looking good, shit wasn't in HD back in the day. "Look at that face. Only a mother could love that face"
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Post by Viking Hall on Jan 24, 2021 16:31:37 GMT -5
From what I can make out a lot of Biker Gangs began using the logo purely for the shock value of it, basically being edgy for the sake of being edgy. Same thing happened in the Punk scene in the late seventies, loads of people wore the Swastika just to be provocative not to make any sort of political statement. Still bad behaviour, but bad in a different way to wearing such logos due to your political leanings. Here's a quote from the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish organisation which focuses on eradicating Antisemitism: Yeah, the difference is generally that when punks started realising that "oh shit, some of these Nazis aren't kidding" they policed that crap out of the scene. In my scene it's so heavily policed that wearing red laces with black boots is still a free ticket to SHARPs kicking the crap out of you 40 years later. That sounds healthy.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 24, 2021 17:55:24 GMT -5
Were those "I Stand for the National Anthem" shirts released after the Colin Kaepernick incident? If not, eh. If so, the heartiest of yikes.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 24, 2021 18:15:39 GMT -5
I will say. I do find it funny whenever an older person says anything even slightly negative about video games, the VG loving set can’t help but rush to it’s defense like their mother just got shot or something.
It’s video games. It’s not that deep positive or negative. And if you’re one of those people that’s like “The community and video games are my life and made me a better person”, if you like a thing that much. The opinion of a random person on said thing shouldn’t matter.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 24, 2021 18:16:57 GMT -5
It's hard to read whether Taker has systematically racist thoughts, or he's just a naïve idiot... I feel like the latter is kinda a no brainer right now, but the former can be true too. Issue is the political messaging of these brands are strictly anti-BLM, which is systematically racist, and undermines the issues they face as being inconsequential. That's straight up racist, if you weren't paying attention.
So we can't really say whether Taker's racist, unless we hear stories, or the man himself is taped f***ing a friends wife, but either way the message his clothing signals doesn't offer him much benefit of doubt.
I mean, that thin blue line shirt... FFS...
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 24, 2021 18:17:32 GMT -5
I will say. I do find it funny whenever an older person says anything even slightly negative about video games, the VG loving set can’t help but rush to it’s defense like their mother just got shot or something. It’s video games. It’s not that deep positive or negative. And if you’re one of those people that’s like “The community and video games are my life and made me a better person”, if you like a thing that much. The opinion of a random person on said thing shouldn’t matter. I don't think it was so much "defend the gamers!" as the implication that having Call of Duty in your gym bag and not a revolver is a downgrade.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 24, 2021 18:18:10 GMT -5
Were those "I Stand for the National Anthem" shirts released after the Colin Kaepernick incident? If not, eh. If so, the heartiest of yikes. The post was from February 2018, so...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 18:26:56 GMT -5
Do I even have to explain this one Someone Photoshop THAT Finn Balor shirt on him.
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Post by Chiral on Jan 24, 2021 18:33:49 GMT -5
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 24, 2021 18:37:29 GMT -5
Yeah, the difference is generally that when punks started realising that "oh shit, some of these Nazis aren't kidding" they policed that crap out of the scene. In my scene it's so heavily policed that wearing red laces with black boots is still a free ticket to SHARPs kicking the crap out of you 40 years later. That sounds healthy. I mean they don't do it the first time, but red laces was an actual colour code for a while for "I will spill blood to keep mine pure" and Punks WILL remind you what you're actually wearing because they don't want that around.
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Post by koreycaskets on Jan 24, 2021 18:40:43 GMT -5
Aren't (weren't ) some of Undertaker's best friends The Godfather, Yokozuna, Savio Vega ? I don't think he's racist he's just one of those right wing patriots. (Right or wrong and I'm definitely not a righty)
I dunno I enjoyed his wrestling work even before Undertaker gimmick is all I really have to add I don't know the guy personally.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jan 24, 2021 18:43:37 GMT -5
I mean they don't do it the first time, but red laces was an actual colour code for a while for "I will spill blood to keep mine pure" and Punks WILL remind you what you're actually wearing because they don't want that around. Also, anyone involved in this will know what this stuff means, and if they don't someone will tell them very quickly, so by wearing it you're making a very clear statement about your views. It's why I didn't really buy Shlak's excuses and pleading ignorance for hanging around with people who wear Skrewdriver shirts, you know what these people are about.
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