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Post by MrElijah on May 6, 2021 14:12:01 GMT -5
Issue there is, that may not be for another year yet. Obviously the next title change would be to Hangman Page, which likely won’t be until All Out in August/September, but you’re not gonna build up to that title run for that long and not give him a decent run with it once he gets it. Page has been built up as the next person in line and honestly should be the person to get that rub from Omega including kicking out of OWA MJF is next in line after him. I think there is legs in giving both Hangman and MJF short runs maybe 3 months each just to get their feet wet as they are the present and future stars of the company but both men are in line for world title runs See this is the most intriguing thing: the outcome is best version of predictable. Page doesn't need a long run, MJF is 50/50 but who takes it off of MJF? I wanna say Jungle Boy Jack and as good as he is, I don't think he's getting the belt quite yet. Miro is getting the TNT Belt more than likely, Cody seems content with doing his own thing without the strap, maybe PAC?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 6, 2021 14:22:21 GMT -5
Page has been built up as the next person in line and honestly should be the person to get that rub from Omega including kicking out of OWA MJF is next in line after him. I think there is legs in giving both Hangman and MJF short runs maybe 3 months each just to get their feet wet as they are the present and future stars of the company but both men are in line for world title runs See this is the most intriguing thing: the outcome is best version of predictable. Page doesn't need a long run, MJF is 50/50 but who takes it off of MJF? I wanna say Jungle Boy Jack and as good as he is, I don't think he's getting the belt quite yet. Miro is getting the TNT Belt more than likely, Cody seems content with doing his own thing without the strap, maybe PAC? Cody most likely gets the title off MJF By the time that time comes along, we talking the company being in business for over 2 years and Cody got his title shot at the beginning of the start. It's not a matter of IF but when. Of course no telling who they may sign within the next year. I wouldn't rule out Christian Cage getting a look either as a buffer. He takes the title off MJF and Cody has a similar morph like Omega and goes heel to get his title run You can't rule out PAC, Penta, Fenix and if they have a strong NJPW relationship Okada
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Post by Kalmia on May 6, 2021 14:30:47 GMT -5
I thought the story the ending told was excellent. MJF, leader of the Pinnacle, literally throwing Jericho down off the mountain after he'd said he would? Fantastic. The Inner Circle had to know that MJF would probably do it anyway, but when faced with the ultimatum, what could they do? Jericho pointed out last week that the Inner Circle was tight and had been together since AEW started—they couldn't sacrifice one of their members.
As for the bump, it could have been shot better. Different angles, or cover the entire entrance ramp with a black cloth so nobody could see what Jericho was actually landing on. But, it didn't ruin my suspension of disbelief any more than Rikishi landing on a conveniently placed truck full of sawdust or Shane McMahon's obvious falls onto airbags did.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 6, 2021 14:32:49 GMT -5
Great stuff, though I would have found it more awesome if Jericho and MJF had gone off the cage together.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 6, 2021 14:44:14 GMT -5
Great stuff, though I would have found it more awesome if Jericho and MJF had gone off the cage together. Jericho pulling them both off to avoid his team giving up on his behalf could have been a good ending for a different story.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 6, 2021 14:49:24 GMT -5
You know what did bother me about the ending? So much focus on Jericho and MJF on the top and nothing about anything going on underneath in the ring. Like I know its the story but in theory you could have had someone submitted or surrender during that and we would have been none the wiser.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 6, 2021 14:59:32 GMT -5
You know what did bother me about the ending? So much focus on Jericho and MJF on the top and nothing about anything going on underneath in the ring. Like I know its the story but in theory you could have had someone submitted or surrender during that and we would have been none the wiser. *CLANG* Did someone get hit with a chair? I don't know!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2021 15:03:19 GMT -5
You know what did bother me about the ending? So much focus on Jericho and MJF on the top and nothing about anything going on underneath in the ring. Like I know its the story but in theory you could have had someone submitted or surrender during that and we would have been none the wiser. These are all things they'll take from this and learn for next time, people were upset that they saw Jericho and MJF doing some obvious things on top of the cage, which would have been mitigated with some cuts back to the ring for spots from the other competitors.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on May 6, 2021 15:31:48 GMT -5
I enjoyed the match but it had some issues
The commercials hurt it slightly and I’ve seen others mention this but focusing solely on MJF & Jericho on top of the cage was distracting. At least alternate with some wide shots to show in ring
Also yeah if doing that bump, shoot it better so as not to take away from it. Put the crash pad further down or raise the platform and hollow it out so that you can’t see where Jericho lands and then remove the pad then the stage and show Jericho lying on the ground or something
Those issues aside. Yeah I enjoyed it, they had some good spots, it felt real, I loved the Spanish fly from the middle of the top rope and it was a good brawl
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Post by Chuck Conry on May 6, 2021 17:25:18 GMT -5
Only issue I had was you could see these guys go for their gigs in their wrist tape very easily. Hell, Jericho held his for a long time between his fingers there at the end before the ring spot.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 6, 2021 17:57:32 GMT -5
Only issue I had was you could see these guys go for their gigs in their wrist tape very easily. Hell, Jericho held his for a long time between his fingers there at the end before the ring spot. My exact quote “Huh, don’t think Jericho’s blee… Oh, he’s gigging right now. Still gigging, why isn’t this camera man cutting away?” Jericho climbing the cage, and mugging for the camera to kill time during commercial and the f***ing camera held on him the whole commercial! Who was producing them? There were a lot of little issues that could’ve been solved by switching cameras last night.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 17:59:07 GMT -5
That ending was embarrassing, man. So much worse than I expected. Jericho lying in a pile of boxes while the announcers tried to sell his death was brutal.
While it didn't look quite as bad as the sparklers (cause what possibly could?), that's two big time gimmick matches in two months with laughably bad endings. The pyro not going off correctly is understandable - shit happens when you're messing with that kind of stuff - but this was just poorly planned and poorly shot.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 6, 2021 18:11:25 GMT -5
Didn't watch the full thing... but of everything I've seen going around the internet... AEW really needs to get better on the production side.
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Post by Blade on May 6, 2021 18:19:28 GMT -5
Much ado has already been made about the ending problems, so I'll just note I agree that the spot looked bad and honestly a bit silly, that shooting it differently would have fixed that, that Jericho needed more of a beatdown to be appropriately helpless in the ending sequence, and that it was also a bit frustrating that the Inner Circle had little apparent interest in actually trying to WIN the match even when they were in complete control, and that completely ignoring what was going on in the ring for the ending sequence wasn't great given how long said sequence went.
I do feel way too much time was spent on the Pinnacle dismantling the ring for it not having much of a payoff (aside from the very scary unplanned spot where Guevara almost had his face impaled).
One other criticism I have, and this may come from my background as an actor, is that I was actually a bit unsatisfied with MJF's expressions and, well, acting in the climax. Like, it wasn't terrible or completely ruining it, but this was his MOMENT, a real star-making bit for him, his "Long live the king!", and he was still kinda... acting-y. It needed to pop, it needed to be bloody Vince emerging from behind the ring, and yeah he was aight but it was a 7 when he needed a 9 or 10 to make it a moment that would live forever.
With that being said, it was a GOOD match. The problems, to me, dragged it down from being a great one. I think the War Games match structure is a bit peculiar as I hadn't seen one before, but it was still enjoyable. Some things it did do really well:
- Sammy Guevara had a really good match, aside from almost having his face impaled. Instead of looking like an idiot for having given Pinnacle the advantage, he backed up his words by playing smart and strategic and looked like a star. Really impressed with him.
- Similarly, the project to make Wardlow a Big Deal continues apace, and he looked tremendous here. The entire match pivoted effortlessly to being about Wardlow every time he got a big spot, and he looked like an absolute titan holding off multiple members of the Inner Circle by himself twice.
- The match was really well structured so that nobody looked like an idiot or a loser. It would have been very easy, for instance, for FTR and Shawn Spears to look like jobbers, but even though Sammy overwhelmed Dax and bloodied him up, he looked enormously resilient as he kept coming back throughout the match. Spears probably looked the weakest as he tapped out and never got a huge spot of his own, but even then them worst you can say is he was there and contributing, but not exceptional. Everyone got good spots and looked like badasses in places, and even when the Pinnacle spent the last ten minutes of the match getting destroyed, it was presented as bad calculations on their part and a steady turning of the tide against them rather than them just being chumps.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 6, 2021 18:27:38 GMT -5
I felt like the first ten or fifteen minutes rocked.
Spears getting a boner over hitting people with chairs got him more over with me.
It really seemed like they planned half as many spots as needed. A few unfortunate botches.
I enjoyed the subtly amusing image of the heel team all in white and the faces in black.
Jericho contributed almost nothing to the match. In that gear he looked like an embarrassing mechanic who still talks about opening for Poison once. He seemed gassed, having done no wrestling at all.
Then everyone just killed time for four hundred years, and yet again AEW needs to fire the person that makes their gimmick stages because they look like lovely comfy beds.
Right team won.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 18:40:46 GMT -5
I felt like the first ten or fifteen minutes rocked. Spears getting a boner over hitting people with chairs got him more over with me. It really seemed like they planned half as many spots as needed. A few unfortunate botches. I enjoyed the subtly amusing image of the heel team all in white and the faces in black. Jericho contributed almost nothing to the match. In that gear he looked like an embarrassing mechanic who still talks about opening for Poison once. He seemed gassed, having done no wrestling at all. Then everyone just killed time for four hundred years, and yet again AEW needs to fire the person that makes their gimmick stages because they look like lovely comfy beds. Right team won. How the hell can you have all of the opposition down and out while you're stabbing one of their dudes with a fork.. And lose? Booking for this fell apart during the homestretch because nobody in wrestling knows when to wrap it the f*** up.
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Post by lildude8218 on May 6, 2021 18:47:52 GMT -5
They needed a camera shot of Sammy surrendering.
They needed to kayfabe the clock so Wardlow doesn't come into the match during PIP.
All of that stalling at the end should have been happening during PIP so you're not out of spots with 15 minutes left in the show.
Pinnacle had all 4 guys down before Jericho got into the ring. Instead of jumping him 5 on 1 they go to the other ring and just stand there giving him time to get in and time for his team to get up.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 18:59:27 GMT -5
I will say that while I generally consider Spears to be one of the mehest wrestlers, he looked good here - performance wise and aesthethically. The dark hair and beard is his best look by far and the white trunks popped on him.
And I liked him going into a state of euphoria after nailing the chair shot. They need to keep that character trait and then maybe after two years his chairman schtick will finally be kind of neat.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2021 19:03:27 GMT -5
I will say that while I generally consider Spears to be one of the mehest wrestlers, he looked good here - performance wise and aesthethically. The dark hair and beard is his best look by far and the white trunks popped on him. And I liked him going into a state of euphoria after nailing the chair shot. They need to keep that character trait and then maybe after two years his chairman schtick will finally be kind of neat. It was all about letting him try a gimmick chair that actually worked this time, and it really looked like it worked. Not sure about the material they used but I assume it was akin to the Garbage Can Lids they use in hardcore matches
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 19:07:16 GMT -5
I will say that while I generally consider Spears to be one of the mehest wrestlers, he looked good here - performance wise and aesthethically. The dark hair and beard is his best look by far and the white trunks popped on him. And I liked him going into a state of euphoria after nailing the chair shot. They need to keep that character trait and then maybe after two years his chairman schtick will finally be kind of neat. It was all about letting him try a gimmick chair that actually worked this time, and it really looked like it worked. Not sure about the material they used but I assume it was akin to the Garbage Can Lids they use in hardcore matches Yeah, good point. His bliss wouldn't have been so great if it followed a shot to the back, though a DDT or piledriver or something on it would work too. Either way, hopefully the gimmicked chair is something they deem safe enough to keep running with.
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