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Post by lucas_lee on May 5, 2021 23:16:25 GMT -5
The match was great except for the homestretch where it felt like a slog but on that ending do people want Jericho to die...you know what dont answer that
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 23:19:18 GMT -5
The match was great except for the homestretch where it felt like a slog but on that ending do people want Jericho to die...you know what dont answer that The argument seems to be it should have been shot better, just have the overhead angle, not the bottom shot where it's ore obvious he landed on a pad. Like I get it, but in the grand scheme, I thought it was fine and it did what it needed to do, make MJF look ruthless. Man threw Jericho off a 20 foot structure, and didnt care if he lived or died. Made him as a heel and a threat.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 23:20:40 GMT -5
The GRUESOME eye for an eye match probably takes the cake for me, but this is definitely up there in retrospect. I thought it was insane as an 8-year-old though. Oh man just thinking about some of the awful Hardcore Matches Modern WWE has done... Eye for an Eye Hell in a Cell stopped for excessive violence John Cena dropping like 10 chairs on Wade Barret, who was under a table, so the chairs didn't even touch him Whatever the hell Brock/Ambrose was. Compared to that shit a crash pad floor seems moot... I try really hard not to go AEW v. WWE because I know I’m incredibly biased toward AEW. But, like, if you’re gonna go full tennis racket and call AEW a mud show for “production values” over a damn crashpad, then you can’t conveniently ignore all of that stuff. No one on this forum has really gone there, that’s more a commentary on what’s currently going on over on Reddit.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 5, 2021 23:21:30 GMT -5
Folks, you know there’s a difference between saying the bump looked shitty and saying “f*** it, shouldn’t have protected Jericho. Throw him to the ground!!!” The crash pad isn’t the issue, of course you’re gonna protect Jericho. The issue was it was poorly executed. If I’m disappointed with a magic show because the magician did a shitty job of hiding the gimmick for his tricks it doesn’t mean I actually want someone cut in half, I want the illusion protected. I didn’t see it as that big a deal but I can see why people did. Honestly, I guess I’m just used to how TNA f***ed stuff up and people’s reaction to TNA f***ing stuff up where I’m worried that people are just going to give up on it after a while because, even if they aren’t nearly as bad, they’re still screw ups. It’s really silly and I need to learn not to take it that way (and it also doesn’t matter because AEW is in a better, more stable spot than TNA was with Spike) but that’s my fear with this stuff. Of course there's that from bad faith fans. But I feel like there's a growing sentiment amongst fans that you shouldn't criticize AEW because its not WWE. I highly disagree with that logic, while there are some bad faith critics, most of us just want some minor tweaks to improve AEW and sometimes I feel like on this board, people offering legit criticisms get jumped on and having to explain our points multiple times. Lumping us in with the bad faith folks isnt it either.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 23:25:43 GMT -5
Oh man just thinking about some of the awful Hardcore Matches Modern WWE has done... Eye for an Eye Hell in a Cell stopped for excessive violence John Cena dropping like 10 chairs on Wade Barret, who was under a table, so the chairs didn't even touch him Whatever the hell Brock/Ambrose was. Compared to that shit a crash pad floor seems moot... I try really hard not to go AEW v. WWE because I know I’m incredibly biased toward AEW. But, like, if you’re gonna go full tennis racket and call AEW a mud show for “production values” over a damn crashpad, then you can’t conveniently ignore all of that stuff. No one on this forum has really gone there, that’s more a commentary on what’s currently going on over on Reddit. There's a reason I've never made a Reddit account and don't plan on it.
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Post by eJm on May 5, 2021 23:25:49 GMT -5
I didn’t see it as that big a deal but I can see why people did. Honestly, I guess I’m just used to how TNA f***ed stuff up and people’s reaction to TNA f***ing stuff up where I’m worried that people are just going to give up on it after a while because, even if they aren’t nearly as bad, they’re still screw ups. It’s really silly and I need to learn not to take it that way (and it also doesn’t matter because AEW is in a better, more stable spot than TNA was with Spike) but that’s my fear with this stuff. Of course there's that from bad faith fans. But I feel like there's a growing sentiment amongst fans that you shouldn't criticize AEW because its not WWE. I highly disagree with that logic, while there are some bad faith critics, most of us just want some minor tweaks to improve AEW and sometimes I feel like on this board, people offering legit criticisms get jumped on and having to explain our points multiple times. Lumping us in with the bad faith folks isnt it either. I’m not lumping anyone into anything and you saying I am is now making me think I am which in turn makes me think I’m one of those people you are describing which now just makes me feel awful. Like, even if you didn’t intend to make me feel that way, I just do now so…I don’t know, man.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 23:27:52 GMT -5
I didn’t see it as that big a deal but I can see why people did. Honestly, I guess I’m just used to how TNA f***ed stuff up and people’s reaction to TNA f***ing stuff up where I’m worried that people are just going to give up on it after a while because, even if they aren’t nearly as bad, they’re still screw ups. It’s really silly and I need to learn not to take it that way (and it also doesn’t matter because AEW is in a better, more stable spot than TNA was with Spike) but that’s my fear with this stuff. Of course there's that from bad faith fans. But I feel like there's a growing sentiment amongst fans that you shouldn't criticize AEW because its not WWE. I highly disagree with that logic, while there are some bad faith critics, most of us just want some minor tweaks to improve AEW and sometimes I feel like on this board, people offering legit criticisms get jumped on and having to explain our points multiple times. Lumping us in with the bad faith folks isnt it either. I think one of the things the AEW Board faces sometimes is we have people gunshy on both ends, they love the company and want to see it succeed and try and defend criticisms of the company or workers, but also have the critiquers who don't want to feel like their claims aren't valid. AEW's not some sacred company that can't make mistakes, but I also feel complaints can get monotonous, and no one wants this Board to turn into the WWE one which is just a constant twister of hell. I don't think we're anywhere close to that, thankfully, but I do see how we get to those roads of "Can we please not do this?" "Oh so I can't have a valid opinion against the precious AEW?", in the end it's all about things just being civil and not spiraling out of control... thankfully as I said, it doesn't happen often, if it did I don't think people would be here or have come back for years and years. Bit of a ramble, just somethin I wanted to get out there, in the end a lot of us are just rasslin fans who want a better product or AEW to be the best it can be, and that's a-ok with me.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 5, 2021 23:28:05 GMT -5
Of course there's that from bad faith fans. But I feel like there's a growing sentiment amongst fans that you shouldn't criticize AEW because its not WWE. I highly disagree with that logic, while there are some bad faith critics, most of us just want some minor tweaks to improve AEW and sometimes I feel like on this board, people offering legit criticisms get jumped on and having to explain our points multiple times. Lumping us in with the bad faith folks isnt it either. I’m not lumping anyone into anything and you saying I am is now making me think I am which in turn makes me think I’m one of those people you are describing which now just makes me feel awful. Like, even if you didn’t intend to make me feel that way, I just do now so…I don’t know, man. It wasn't meant for you. I was just looking at the thread here and noticed this trend. You've never at any point made me feel this way. So hopefully that alleviates some of it.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 5, 2021 23:28:08 GMT -5
I didn’t see it as that big a deal but I can see why people did. Honestly, I guess I’m just used to how TNA f***ed stuff up and people’s reaction to TNA f***ing stuff up where I’m worried that people are just going to give up on it after a while because, even if they aren’t nearly as bad, they’re still screw ups. It’s really silly and I need to learn not to take it that way (and it also doesn’t matter because AEW is in a better, more stable spot than TNA was with Spike) but that’s my fear with this stuff. Of course there's that from bad faith fans. But I feel like there's a growing sentiment amongst fans that you shouldn't criticize AEW because its not WWE. I highly disagree with that logic, while there are some bad faith critics, most of us just want some minor tweaks to improve AEW and sometimes I feel like on this board, people offering legit criticisms get jumped on and having to explain our points multiple times. Lumping us in with the bad faith folks isnt it either. Christian Cage was a good reveal bro!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 23:28:55 GMT -5
I didn’t see it as that big a deal but I can see why people did. Honestly, I guess I’m just used to how TNA f***ed stuff up and people’s reaction to TNA f***ing stuff up where I’m worried that people are just going to give up on it after a while because, even if they aren’t nearly as bad, they’re still screw ups. It’s really silly and I need to learn not to take it that way (and it also doesn’t matter because AEW is in a better, more stable spot than TNA was with Spike) but that’s my fear with this stuff. Of course there's that from bad faith fans. But I feel like there's a growing sentiment amongst fans that you shouldn't criticize AEW because its not WWE. I highly disagree with that logic, while there are some bad faith critics, most of us just want some minor tweaks to improve AEW and sometimes I feel like on this board, people offering legit criticisms get jumped on and having to explain our points multiple times. Lumping us in with the bad faith folks isnt it either. I have to say, this is my preferred wrestling forum because I don’t really think what you’re describing happens here too much. When you criticize AEW, people who enjoyed whatever you criticized will offer a counterpoint, and in that manner you have to explain your points multiple times. But that’s kind of the point of a forum, isn’t it? We’re all just anonymous people talking about fake fighting on the internet, no? I think the discourse is usually really respectful here, save for a few outliers.
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Post by eJm on May 5, 2021 23:29:08 GMT -5
I’m not lumping anyone into anything and you saying I am is now making me think I am which in turn makes me think I’m one of those people you are describing which now just makes me feel awful. Like, even if you didn’t intend to make me feel that way, I just do now so…I don’t know, man. It wasn't meant for you. I was just looking at the thread here and noticed this trend. You've never at any point made me feel this way. So hopefully that alleviates some of it. It does. Sorry, I didn’t mean to blurb all that out acting like you did.
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Post by mc74 on May 5, 2021 23:29:31 GMT -5
I didn’t see it as that big a deal but I can see why people did. Honestly, I guess I’m just used to how TNA f***ed stuff up and people’s reaction to TNA f***ing stuff up where I’m worried that people are just going to give up on it after a while because, even if they aren’t nearly as bad, they’re still screw ups. It’s really silly and I need to learn not to take it that way (and it also doesn’t matter because AEW is in a better, more stable spot than TNA was with Spike) but that’s my fear with this stuff. I think I’m in that camp. People are so conditioned by WWE or TNA screwing up that when AEW has a minor screw up (In comparison to Revolution, it’s really a minor screwup, even if it’s not really one.) people over react to it and all the people who don’t like AEW come out of the woodwork to laugh like the finger poke of doom just happened all over again. And I will admit my own sensitivity to it. I’ll admit that. That’s my fault. I used to post here years ago almost exclusively in the WWE section, and rarely was that place ever positive about anything, it still isn’t. I don’t blame the posters, because the WWE product is genuinely awful. But in my experience, wrestling fandom on the internet is not a very happy place to be unless the show is an all timer. And AEW has genuinely made me a fan again and I actually care about wrestling. And it is so cool for a company only two years old to be as successful as it is. Like AEW makes me genuinely happy. So it does hurt when something doesn’t go exactly right and people jump all over them. Like the reaction to Revolution honestly depressed me. I know I shouldn’t have felt that way, because it’s only wrestling. I feel AEW is like my last chance to see an actual big time wrestling product that isn’t crappy WWE. And of course, if you think it wasn’t great, you have a right to that opinion and they aren’t perfect, I know AEW isn’t perfect. It’s wrestling. I guess I have to have thicker skin on the internet, especially wrestling on the internet. But that’s my own problem. I hear you on that, and I share the same sentiment. The wrestling fanbase can be very frustrating at times because of the sheer negativity and divisiveness that exists within the fanbase itself. You have people microanalyzing every little detail and overreacting on certain situations. You have fans actively rooting for companies that they don't like to fail, and you have people hurling insults at one another because of things they don't see eye-to-eye on.
I don't have time for that crap. If I want to talk about wrestling, I'd much rather discuss things in a civilized manner without the need for that rubbish. I get that everyone has their tastes, but the beauty about wrestling is that much like movies, there's many different genres to choose from. All this divisive crap? There's no need for it, and Brian Zane said it best....there's no need to pick sides in wrestling.
As for myself, it's AEW that got me back into wrestling full-time. For me, it's a feel good moment because I now have something I can look forward to watching each and every week. When I fell out from watching wrestling in the early 2010s, things were looking rather grim. WWE's product majorly declined in quality, and only managed to get progressively worse over the years. TNA was in the gutter too under the Hogan & Bischoff era, so they weren't any better themselves. It was a bad time to be a wrestling fan, and my interest couldn't be any lower at that point. It was a good several years of being on and off with wrestling, so to see a company like AEW get me interested again is a much-welcomed breath of fresh air.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 5, 2021 23:29:40 GMT -5
Of course there's that from bad faith fans. But I feel like there's a growing sentiment amongst fans that you shouldn't criticize AEW because its not WWE. I highly disagree with that logic, while there are some bad faith critics, most of us just want some minor tweaks to improve AEW and sometimes I feel like on this board, people offering legit criticisms get jumped on and having to explain our points multiple times. Lumping us in with the bad faith folks isnt it either. I think one of the things the AEW Board faces sometimes is we have people gunshy on both ends, they love the company and want to see it succeed and try and defend criticisms of the company or workers, but also have the critiquers who don't want to feel like their claims aren't valid. AEW's not some sacred company that can't make mistakes, but I also feel complaints can get monotonous, and no one wants this Board to turn into the WWE one which is just a constant twister of hell. I don't think we're anywhere close to that, thankfully, but I do see how we get to those roads of "Can we please not do this?" "Oh so I can't have a valid opinion against the precious AEW?", in the end it's all about things just being civil and not spiraling out of control... thankfully as I said, it doesn't happen often, if it did I don't think people would be here or have come back for years and years. Bit of a ramble, just somethin I wanted to get out there, in the end a lot of us are just rasslin fans who want a better product or AEW to be the best it can be, and that's a-ok with me. I dont go to the WWE board and post there because I dont feel like having to justify my fandom to the folks there. AEW is different I dont want it to turn into the WWE board, I think people here get a tad over defensive over AEW when it receives mostly praise on here.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 5, 2021 23:33:16 GMT -5
Watched this match with my brother... Very good. It did start to drag doing the finish stretch, but I get what they were going for, and it makes MJF such a damn prick that he just pushes Jericho off the cage anyways. As it pertains to that post-match spot, my advice for next time would be to build the top part higher so when the wrestler falls, they drop out of sight and they can land on a crashpad without it being visible. It's nothing to lose any sleep over, though.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 23:33:37 GMT -5
I think one of the things the AEW Board faces sometimes is we have people gunshy on both ends, they love the company and want to see it succeed and try and defend criticisms of the company or workers, but also have the critiquers who don't want to feel like their claims aren't valid. AEW's not some sacred company that can't make mistakes, but I also feel complaints can get monotonous, and no one wants this Board to turn into the WWE one which is just a constant twister of hell. I don't think we're anywhere close to that, thankfully, but I do see how we get to those roads of "Can we please not do this?" "Oh so I can't have a valid opinion against the precious AEW?", in the end it's all about things just being civil and not spiraling out of control... thankfully as I said, it doesn't happen often, if it did I don't think people would be here or have come back for years and years. Bit of a ramble, just somethin I wanted to get out there, in the end a lot of us are just rasslin fans who want a better product or AEW to be the best it can be, and that's a-ok with me. I dont go to the WWE board and post there because I dont feel like having to justify my fandom to the folks there. AEW is different I dont want it to turn into the WWE board, I think people here get a tad over defensive over AEW when it receives mostly praise on here. I don't think/I hope the AEW Board never gets to that point, ever. I do think a lot of it stems from the fact a lot of fans have been waiting for a wrestling company like this for decades to return, and now that it is, they want to go to bat for it, sometimes a bit too hard, and I've even been guilty of that, hell maybe even tonight I can see why people are protective of AEW, even in this thread alone I've seen multiple people state this is the company that got them back into wrestling, after who knows how long... for any fault or mistake AEW might have, that's why it's special and that's why I don't ever think it'll be in the same lane as WWE is. Especially for the fact WWE has so much currently wrong with it it brings a lot of pessimism that literally has nothing to do with the in-ring product... and then there's major critique on the in-ring product, mainly the booking, on top of that.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 5, 2021 23:35:35 GMT -5
Watched this match with my brother... Very good. It did start to drag doing the finish stretch, but I get what they were going for, and it makes MJF such a damn prick that he just pushes Jericho off the cage anyways. As it pertains to that post-match spot, my advice for next time would be to build the top part higher so when the wrestler falls, they drop out of sight and they can land on a crashpad without it being visible. It's nothing to lose any sleep over, though. People wanted safer spots, they got em, people still complain, I dunno what they want other than Jericho dying for a cool looking bump
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 23:38:02 GMT -5
Watched this match with my brother... Very good. It did start to drag doing the finish stretch, but I get what they were going for, and it makes MJF such a damn prick that he just pushes Jericho off the cage anyways. As it pertains to that post-match spot, my advice for next time would be to build the top part higher so when the wrestler falls, they drop out of sight and they can land on a crashpad without it being visible. It's nothing to lose any sleep over, though. People wanted safer spots, they got em, people still complain, I dunno what they want other than Jericho dying for a cool looking bump They tried a riskier looking bump in Hardy/Guevara... we know how that ended. The angle or the lighting, the underside of the panels being silver, these are little things that they can take into consideration for next time. In overall execution, people trying to akin this to Revolution are laughable to me. What they set out to do, they definitely did.
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Post by eJm on May 5, 2021 23:38:07 GMT -5
Watched this match with my brother... Very good. It did start to drag doing the finish stretch, but I get what they were going for, and it makes MJF such a damn prick that he just pushes Jericho off the cage anyways. As it pertains to that post-match spot, my advice for next time would be to build the top part higher so when the wrestler falls, they drop out of sight and they can land on a crashpad without it being visible. It's nothing to lose any sleep over, though. People wanted safer spots, they got em, people still complain, I dunno what they want other than Jericho dying for a cool looking bump In their defense, it seems the issue is less the bump but how it was shot, which I’d say is fair. It was less of an issue with me but I can get the issue with others.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 5, 2021 23:42:29 GMT -5
People wanted safer spots, they got em, people still complain, I dunno what they want other than Jericho dying for a cool looking bump In their defense, it seems the issue is less the bump but how it was shot, which I’d say is fair. It was less of an issue with me but I can get the issue with others. That I can agree with, how it was shot was flawed but it doesn't take away from the ending IMO. Although I can see why it would for a lot of folks
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Post by toodarkmark on May 5, 2021 23:43:14 GMT -5
The THC is telling me the glass is half full for some, half empty for others. It's all gravy.
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