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Post by Chiral on May 5, 2021 23:43:20 GMT -5
Of course there's that from bad faith fans. But I feel like there's a growing sentiment amongst fans that you shouldn't criticize AEW because its not WWE. I highly disagree with that logic, while there are some bad faith critics, most of us just want some minor tweaks to improve AEW and sometimes I feel like on this board, people offering legit criticisms get jumped on and having to explain our points multiple times. Lumping us in with the bad faith folks isnt it either. Christian Cage was a good reveal bro! I really hope one day there will be a time where i'm free of the christian reveal discourse™ even in joking form
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 23:43:41 GMT -5
I didn’t see it as that big a deal but I can see why people did. Honestly, I guess I’m just used to how TNA f***ed stuff up and people’s reaction to TNA f***ing stuff up where I’m worried that people are just going to give up on it after a while because, even if they aren’t nearly as bad, they’re still screw ups. It’s really silly and I need to learn not to take it that way (and it also doesn’t matter because AEW is in a better, more stable spot than TNA was with Spike) but that’s my fear with this stuff. Of course there's that from bad faith fans. But I feel like there's a growing sentiment amongst fans that you shouldn't criticize AEW because its not WWE. I highly disagree with that logic, while there are some bad faith critics, most of us just want some minor tweaks to improve AEW and sometimes I feel like on this board, people offering legit criticisms get jumped on and having to explain our points multiple times. Lumping us in with the bad faith folks isnt it either. Honestly I have my fair share of problems with AEW but still by and large enjoy it. Nothing gets me more frustrated with the company than how often any criticism, even just jokingly, of pretty much any single aspect of it is blown up into, "You're completely unpleasable, get out, GET OUT!" or people feeling the need to kick up an argument about why actually the shows have never had any problem with them in any respect. And that's not a just-this-board thing by any stretch, AEW discourse online in general is completely toxic because on one side you have a ton of people who can't accept the idea of the company doing anything wrong under any circumstances and on another you have those, "Still can't compete with Raw, pathetic amateurs, LOL!" idiots on Twitter who apparently think wrestlers having more than one place to work is a bad thing.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 5, 2021 23:44:53 GMT -5
Christian Cage was a good reveal bro! I really hope one day there will be a time where i'm free of the christian reveal discourse™ even in joking form I apologize for the joke. I was referencing a past "discussion" with Lucas and trying to be his friend. I am still stuck on people saying it was a t-shirt company.
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Post by Chiral on May 5, 2021 23:45:28 GMT -5
I really hope one day there will be a time where i'm free of the christian reveal discourse™ even in joking form I apologize for the joke. I was referencing a past "discussion" with Lucas and trying to be his friend. I am still stuck on people saying it was a t-shirt company. You're fine! Don't mind me I'm just an oversensitive Cage mark hahah
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Post by lucas_lee on May 5, 2021 23:46:24 GMT -5
I really hope one day there will be a time where i'm free of the christian reveal discourse™ even in joking form I apologize for the joke. I was referencing a past "discussion" with Lucas and trying to be his friend. I am still stuck on people saying it was a t-shirt company. I honestly don't even remember that discussion haha
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Post by eJm on May 5, 2021 23:47:20 GMT -5
I apologize for the joke. I was referencing a past "discussion" with Lucas and trying to be his friend. I am still stuck on people saying it was a t-shirt company. I honestly don't even remember that discussion haha Simply put; good.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 5, 2021 23:47:29 GMT -5
I apologize for the joke. I was referencing a past "discussion" with Lucas and trying to be his friend. I am still stuck on people saying it was a t-shirt company. I honestly don't even remember that discussion haha I remember every word. j/k! Just a few
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 23:49:02 GMT -5
The THC is telling me the glass is half full for some, half empty for others. It's all gravy. Ain’t that the truth man. I’ve been sitting here microanalyzing whether a 50-year-old man falling off of a 20 foot cage onto a crashpad looked realistic enough for like an hour and a half. To quote Brian Zane, like what you like, don’t be a d***.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on May 5, 2021 23:54:04 GMT -5
They could have done so much other stuff than having Jericho land on a crash pad. My problem with these spots like this and the death match is who is AEW even trying to fool here? Like most of AEW fans know well enough how wrestling works and I feel like doing spots like this just makes everyone look dumb. AEW has the problem of eyes being bigger than there stomach. They don't have the production experience to pull off big spots like this all the time and it shows. They need to think smaller but more effective. Less is more.
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Post by Chiral on May 5, 2021 23:55:25 GMT -5
Of course there's that from bad faith fans. But I feel like there's a growing sentiment amongst fans that you shouldn't criticize AEW because its not WWE. I highly disagree with that logic, while there are some bad faith critics, most of us just want some minor tweaks to improve AEW and sometimes I feel like on this board, people offering legit criticisms get jumped on and having to explain our points multiple times. Lumping us in with the bad faith folks isnt it either. Honestly I have my fair share of problems with AEW but still by and large enjoy it. Nothing gets me more frustrated with the company than how often any criticism, even just jokingly, of pretty much any single aspect of it is blown up into, "You're completely unpleasable, get out, GET OUT!" or people feeling the need to kick up an argument about why actually the shows have never had any problem with them in any respect. And that's not a just-this-board thing by any stretch, AEW discourse online in general is completely toxic because on one side you have a ton of people who can't accept the idea of the company doing anything wrong under any circumstances and on another you have those, "Still can't compete with Raw, pathetic amateurs, LOL!" idiots on Twitter who apparently think wrestlers having more than one place to work is a bad thing. From my observations when the Saltometer™ gets really salty and downer for live threads for big AEW events it goes like this: (and this obviously isn't the whole experience of every thread or like exactly how it goes down every time this is just how it feels for me reading/posting) -About halfway through (like especially in big Dynamites it hits like right at hour 2 lol), people show up like this, rabble rousing and causing snippiness: -People who don't mean anything by it will just say like "Man I thought that segment sucked" or something benign and then get lumped in with the previous as you've said, causing even more salt -Then by the end it's just a bummer as the Discourse Salt rises lol -But then also with the nature of live threads too it's REALLY easy to respond within like minute one of a post, so you can get slammed by like six people at once for just a "well I didn't really care for that bit with Kenny on the unicycle" which we could all chill with of course (I know I'M guilty of that at least, I have to hear JC AEW shit from family so my fuse is short lately lmao but that's my own problems that I don't have to force onto others) ...this turned into a ramble. What was I talking about again?
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on May 5, 2021 23:55:35 GMT -5
I will say that I feel like the people here in this board are 95% cool even when it comes to criticism. Some may be nit picky, but I generally think when they have good faith when criticizing. It mostly Reddit who go way overboard. Basically Reddit sucks.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 23:57:09 GMT -5
I try really hard not to go AEW v. WWE because I know I’m incredibly biased toward AEW. But, like, if you’re gonna go full tennis racket and call AEW a mud show for “production values” over a damn crashpad, then you can’t conveniently ignore all of that stuff. No one on this forum has really gone there, that’s more a commentary on what’s currently going on over on Reddit. There's a reason I've never made a Reddit account and don't plan on it. For the amount of crap we give each other, you’re one of my favorite posters on here. That being said you’re way to nice for Reddit. That place would break you.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on May 6, 2021 0:07:32 GMT -5
Most crash pad bumps in wrestling look the same to me--flat back bump onto a big black pillow with some harmless stuff on top (cloth, random pile of cables, etc.) to make it look slightly less like what it actually is.
They all look vaguely lame in a b-movie-stunt kind of way, but not so lame that they ruin the matches. If my brain can accept that the Irish Whip works, or that doing a graceful flip onto a guy's midsection does more damage than just booting him in the head, it can believe in the danger of falling onto a big squishy rectangle covered in shoddy paneling.
Unfortunate it seems to have ended up as fuel for the fandom wars, as it feels like a pretty minor thing to me. Like, when it comes to criticizing this match in particular, my #1 thing would be wanting some reassurance that those unprotected chair shots were safe and that there was some sort of clever gimmickry involved.
All that aside, I absolutely loved the match.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on May 6, 2021 0:09:29 GMT -5
I try really hard not to go AEW v. WWE because I know I’m incredibly biased toward AEW. But, like, if you’re gonna go full tennis racket and call AEW a mud show for “production values” over a damn crashpad, then you can’t conveniently ignore all of that stuff. No one on this forum has really gone there, that’s more a commentary on what’s currently going on over on Reddit. There's a reason I've never made a Reddit account and don't plan on it. I’ve been a Reddit user for almost a decade - mostly as a lurker except for r/baseballcards & sometimes r/westvirginia- and I’ve looked at r/squaredcircle something like 3 times. But I digress....
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Post by Derk! on May 6, 2021 0:16:02 GMT -5
I loved the match. Had some slow down spots near the end, but the ending was perfect way for MJF to look like even more like a slimy SOB than he already is. Obviously, the camera angle/landing area could have been better on the ending, but it won't matter in the long run and hopefully AEW learns from this mistake.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 0:19:36 GMT -5
Really I think my biggest problem with the match was probably just the overall pace of it. The commercials were also a big part of it, but the match also kind of dragged toward the end, especially with how completely one-sided most of the end of it was.
It was still on the whole great but I was kind of checking the time a lot toward the end.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 6, 2021 0:26:12 GMT -5
In their defense, it seems the issue is less the bump but how it was shot, which I’d say is fair. It was less of an issue with me but I can get the issue with others. That I can agree with, how it was shot was flawed but it doesn't take away from the ending IMO. Although I can see why it would for a lot of folks Personally I think the ending (MJF coming off like the seediest heel and a main eventer) still clicked. It still effectively was portrayed. In large part due to how good of a performer MJF is. The delivery, the facial expressions, everything. That’s even with my problems with the bump. Watched this match with my brother... Very good. It did start to drag doing the finish stretch, but I get what they were going for, and it makes MJF such a damn prick that he just pushes Jericho off the cage anyways. As it pertains to that post-match spot, my advice for next time would be to build the top part higher so when the wrestler falls, they drop out of sight and they can land on a crashpad without it being visible. It's nothing to lose any sleep over, though. People wanted safer spots, they got em, people still complain, I dunno what they want other than Jericho dying for a cool looking bumpBut in regards to this: Nobody. Wants. That. lol. And if they do that’s a whole other issue lol. They could have done so much other stuff than having Jericho land on a crash pad. My problem with these spots like this and the death match is who is AEW even trying to fool here? Like most of AEW fans know well enough how wrestling works and I feel like doing spots like this just makes everyone look dumb. AEW has the problem of eyes being bigger than there stomach. They don't have the production experience to pull off big spots like this all the time and it shows. They need to think smaller but more effective. Less is more. I couldn’t agree with this more and it has me thinking (and I’ve been thinking this for a minute) AEW might be going a bit too far with all the extra and “dressing” of these gimmicks and stipulations. I agree, less is more. Also, I think AEW’s done best when focused on the characters, storylines and straight up wrestling. The Bucks Vs Hangman/Kenny. 4 guys. A nuanced storyline. Paid off with an incredible match both in terms of in-ring competition and storytelling through character motivations. KISS. Now in AEW/Tony’s defense...I think a lot of this gimmick stuff might be in response to the quarantine, lack of fans and all the limitations that come with it. And furthermore, the match concept was dope. It was just the gimmick’d spot that people are polarized about. So to reiterate what this poster said much simpler and direct, yes, less is more and they might want to steer in that direction.
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Post by walterharrow on May 6, 2021 0:32:43 GMT -5
It was ok but disappointing in many ways
I definitely prefered the NXT War Games matches
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2021 0:42:34 GMT -5
There's a reason I've never made a Reddit account and don't plan on it. For the amount of crap we give each other, you’re one of my favorite posters on here. That being said you’re way to nice for Reddit. That place would break you. Brother I've been through the ringer on Twitter, I have a pretty thick skin when it comes to bullshit and ain't afraid to defend myself That being said, Twitter Facebook and some other socials are good enough for me... Reddit NEVER interested me. Its interface as a whole as well just never appealed. I appreciate the compliment by the way. I appreciate you as a poster as well. I know you don't enjoy everything about AEW, but you going out of your way for certain things out of my or others recommendations shows you truly do love wrestling and don't take other takes at base level, and that's welcomed.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2021 0:46:13 GMT -5
Of course there's that from bad faith fans. But I feel like there's a growing sentiment amongst fans that you shouldn't criticize AEW because its not WWE. I highly disagree with that logic, while there are some bad faith critics, most of us just want some minor tweaks to improve AEW and sometimes I feel like on this board, people offering legit criticisms get jumped on and having to explain our points multiple times. Lumping us in with the bad faith folks isnt it either. Honestly I have my fair share of problems with AEW but still by and large enjoy it. Nothing gets me more frustrated with the company than how often any criticism, even just jokingly, of pretty much any single aspect of it is blown up into, "You're completely unpleasable, get out, GET OUT!" or people feeling the need to kick up an argument about why actually the shows have never had any problem with them in any respect. And that's not a just-this-board thing by any stretch, AEW discourse online in general is completely toxic because on one side you have a ton of people who can't accept the idea of the company doing anything wrong under any circumstances and on another you have those, "Still can't compete with Raw, pathetic amateurs, LOL!" idiots on Twitter who apparently think wrestlers having more than one place to work is a bad thing. Man I really hope I have never come off as one of those assholes who are trying to literally drive you off the board if I ever counterpoint your takes. If that's ever happened, I'm sorry. I just like providing my perspective even if you don't particularly agree. If people didn't disagree then we'd just be a hivemind, most takes here I do see as people just genuinely wanting things to improve where they can.
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