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Post by Cyno on Jul 17, 2023 16:46:55 GMT -5
I'd say the person ultimately responsible for ok-ing the movie having a $300 million (or more!) budget is more deserving of being fired than anything.
$300 million gross worldwide would generally be considered really successful otherwise. But the budget was ridiculously high. And it isn't the first Disney movie to have such a grossly high budget this year. So I'm guessing it's someone above Kennedy. She's just an easy scapegoat for the chuds and Fandom Menace neanderthals.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jul 17, 2023 17:00:41 GMT -5
I'd say the person ultimately responsible for ok-ing the movie having a $300 million (or more!) budget is more deserving of being fired than anything. $300 million gross worldwide would generally be considered really successful otherwise. But the budget was ridiculously high. And it isn't the first Disney movie to have such a grossly high budget this year. So I'm guessing it's someone above Kennedy. She's just an easy scapegoat for the chuds and Fandom Menace neanderthals. I mean...she's the President of Lucasfilm, and directly oversaw the production and development of the movies, and I'm willing to be she is the one who negotiated the cost given her role. I mean, who else should take responsibility here? I doubt Bob Iger is going to fire himself.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 17, 2023 17:06:22 GMT -5
Why? She produced a film that by all accounts is better than the last one. The last one written, directed, and produced by Lucas and Spielberg. Not her fault that Disney demanded their IP be exploited in a market that didnt demand it. And a market tainted by the last crappy film. She did her job well, produce a good film. Fire some execs. Moreover, Kennedy's on a roll. The sequel trilogy took $5 billion at the box office and 12 Academy Award nominations. Rogue One took a billion and a raft of award nominations. The Mandalorian has been a massive success both critically and commercially. Book of Boba Fett wasn't a critical success, but had strong viewing numbers. Obi-Wan Kenobi was Disney+'s most watched show last year and has been nominated for an Emmy. Andor had middling viewing numbers but was critically adored and has dozens of award nominations and wins. On the other hand, Solo underperformed and Dial of Destiny is badly struggling, a few announced projects fell apart for various reasons, and a bunch of YouTube grifters have made angry videos. Yeah read the other response. Bet he is plenty familiar with those videos.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 17, 2023 17:08:43 GMT -5
I'd say the person ultimately responsible for ok-ing the movie having a $300 million (or more!) budget is more deserving of being fired than anything. $300 million gross worldwide would generally be considered really successful otherwise. But the budget was ridiculously high. And it isn't the first Disney movie to have such a grossly high budget this year. So I'm guessing it's someone above Kennedy. She's just an easy scapegoat for the chuds and Fandom Menace neanderthals. Yep because its all her putting those "females" and minorities in their wish fulfillment fantasies. How can they escape their pathetic real lives when they have to see girls.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jul 17, 2023 17:10:05 GMT -5
Yeah read the other response. Bet he is plenty familiar with those videos. Okay, I really don't appreciate being labeled as something when I literally have no idea what you're talking about. I think it's a valid criticism when Disney has grossed 5 billion dollars after spending over 4 billion dollars to get the movies, and then spent even more money to produce those movies. Casually trying to call me a misogynist is absolutely disgusting, especially when I said absolutely nothing of the sort.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 17, 2023 17:20:57 GMT -5
Yeah read the other response. Bet he is plenty familiar with those videos. Okay, I really don't appreciate being labeled as something when I literally have no idea what you're talking about. I think it's a valid criticism when Disney has grossed 5 billion dollars after spending over 4 billion dollars to get the movies, and then spent even more money to produce those movies. Casually trying to call me a misogynist is absolutely disgusting, especially when I said absolutely nothing of the sort. Sure. I am sure you overlap with all those other JUST in your irrational hatred for a woman in a position of power over your entertainment. Just block me and I can do the same.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jul 17, 2023 17:25:30 GMT -5
Sure. I am sure you overlap with all those other JUST in your irrational hatred for a woman in a position of power over your entertainment. Just block me and I can do the same. First off, I'm married with two daughters. It's absolutely disgusting that you would accuse me of something that I in no way have even hinted at. All I stated was that Kathleen Kennedy, who happens to be at the top of a company that she makes all the decisions for has not been the success that she was supposed to be. And somehow you took away that I hate women and that I'm somehow in league with a bunch of nonsense online? That's a gross statement, and it's embarrassing that you would have to jump to that point. And for what? To justify your opinion you have to slander someone? Why would I block you? I haven't done you or anyone here any injustice and for you to call me out on nothing? Just gross.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 17, 2023 17:31:07 GMT -5
Folks, please return to your corners and chill out, it ain’t that serious.
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Post by Hurbster on Jul 17, 2023 17:31:38 GMT -5
Saying this film is better than Crystal Skull...
It's not exactly a high bar, is it?
I have seen it, and yes it's better. Not by much, but better.
Still, thought it was pretty meh though, to be honest.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 17, 2023 17:38:05 GMT -5
Honestly I'd say the real problem was Disney/Lucasarts failed to effectively revitalize Indiana Jones as a brand prior this movie.
I mentioned before that many younger film goers didn't have as much of an interest in Indiana Jones, and I think part of that was rooted in the IP having no activity in the past 15 years. Its video games have slowed outside the Lego series, literature like books/graphic novels are largely non-existent, and in an era of notable TV properties, there was barely any promotion of stuff like Young Indiana Jones on Disney plus, let alone any new TV shows.
Now granted Indy doesn't lend itself go gobs of content like a Star Wars does, but the latter was very much maintained and introduced to new audiences via stuff like Clone Wars and Rebels. Even one animated Indiana Jones series in the last decade and a half could have gone a long way in getting kids and teenagers familiar with the franchise especially if there was a strong slew of toys and other merch go with it. I know the obvious answer is that battling Nazis and melting faces doesn't really lend itself to a children's oriented TV program, but a smart set of writers could have pulled off working around all that.
Doing all that (plus maybe even a few video game/iOS versions of the show to boot) might have given the series a shot in the arm it needed to get more than just the old crowd to see it.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 17, 2023 17:47:13 GMT -5
Honestly I'd say the real problem was Disney/Lucasarts failed to effectively revitalize Indiana Jones as a brand prior this movie. I mentioned before that many younger film goers didn't have as much of an interest in Indiana Jones, and I think part of that was rooted in the IP having no activity in the past 15 years. Its video games have slowed outside the Lego series, literature like books/graphic novels are largely non-existent, and in an era of notable TV properties, there was barely any promotion of stuff like Young Indiana Jones on Disney plus, let alone any new TV shows. Now granted Indy doesn't lend itself go gobs of content like a Star Wars does, but the latter was very much maintained and introduced to new audiences via stuff like Clone Wars and Rebels. Even one animated Indiana Jones series in the last decade and a half could have gone a long way in getting kids and teenagers familiar with the franchise especially if there was a strong slew of toys and other merch go with it. I know the obvious answer is that battling Nazis and melting faces doesn't really lend itself to a children's oriented TV program, but a smart set of writers could have pulled off working around all that. Doing all that (plus maybe even a few video game/iOS versions of the show to boot) might have given the series a shot in the arm it needed to get more than just the old crowd to see it. Yeah, that's probably a big part of it. Other than action figures, there's not really been much going on with Indiana Jones in the past few years, and even the figures are pretty recent and still tend to just be "Dudes in suits". I have 6 nieces and a bunch of young cousins, and I can't really picture it igniting their imaginations that much, even if they probably would have been interested in the first movie by virtue of "ADVENTURE!!" They really could have used something to bridge the gap.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 17, 2023 18:48:46 GMT -5
I'd say the person ultimately responsible for ok-ing the movie having a $300 million (or more!) budget is more deserving of being fired than anything. $300 million gross worldwide would generally be considered really successful otherwise. But the budget was ridiculously high. And it isn't the first Disney movie to have such a grossly high budget this year. So I'm guessing it's someone above Kennedy. She's just an easy scapegoat for the chuds and Fandom Menace neanderthals. Reading up on it, it looks like tens of millions had already been spent between when the movie went into preproduction (mid-2016) and when Spielberg dropped out (February 2020). It still would have been a ridiculously expensive movie had they just started when Mangold took over, but probably would have had a decent chance of breaking even based on the box office numbers. Still not great, but it reinforces my point that just because you can spent $200+ million on your tentpole IP movie doesn't mean you should.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 17, 2023 18:58:37 GMT -5
The movie was fine, it was definitely better than Crystal Skull, and was a fine sendoff for the character... if it's in fact the sendoff. I do wonder if the franchise will continue with Wombat at the forefront or not... but then again they teased that with Mutt and that went over well lmfao
Overall the film was a really fun popcorn action flick to watch, the issue as everyone has said is why it was 300 Million... like it feels like a good portion of that went into the de-aging CGI and train scene if I'm being completely honest, just unnecessary and set this film up to fail from almost the jump
Harrison Ford's insane though, can't believe he's doing this shit at 80, he's Disney's Ric Flair lmfao
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 17, 2023 23:31:50 GMT -5
Saw it again
Enjoyed it
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 19, 2023 2:57:13 GMT -5
What if FAN was in charge of these multi-movie cinematic franchises?
I for one, would have Indiana Jones and Short Round back together and a live action Star Wars series based around Kushibans.
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Post by chrom on Jul 19, 2023 6:49:30 GMT -5
Disney's gotta stop throwing money around willy nilly on their movies. They spent a billion the past four movies alone and only GOTG3 made a profit with Mermaid breaking even and this and Elemental being a loss
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 19, 2023 8:16:12 GMT -5
Disney's gotta stop throwing money around willy nilly on their movies. They spent a billion the past four movies alone and only GOTG3 made a profit with Mermaid breaking even and this and Elemental being a loss At least Elemental's limping toward not being as giant of a fiasco as it was on paper. It'd have probably actually turned a profit if they'd bothered to market it.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 19, 2023 9:42:30 GMT -5
Disney's gotta stop throwing money around willy nilly on their movies. They spent a billion the past four movies alone and only GOTG3 made a profit with Mermaid breaking even and this and Elemental being a loss I don’t really blame Disney too much, they were pretty much shitting gold for quite awhile theatrically, but they definitely need to pivot as people are much pickier about what they go to in theatres these days. I’m a single guy, who has a discount membership to the local theatre, and it’s $30 for movie and snacks just for me. Taking a family would be brutal
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Post by chrom on Jul 19, 2023 9:47:22 GMT -5
Disney's gotta stop throwing money around willy nilly on their movies. They spent a billion the past four movies alone and only GOTG3 made a profit with Mermaid breaking even and this and Elemental being a loss I don’t really blame Disney too much, they were pretty much shitting gold for quite awhile theatrically, but they definitely need to pivot as people are much pickier about what they go to in theatres these days. I’m a single guy, who has a discount membership to the local theatre, and it’s $30 for movie and snacks just for me. Taking a family would be brutal Took my nephew to see Mario when it came out, it was $40 total all together. With this recession we have been in the past three years and record setting inflation, the average person can't afford to splurge on stuff like movies nowadays like back in 2018.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jul 27, 2023 4:22:36 GMT -5
Saw it last night with my Dad. He's almost the same age as Ford, and we've seen all the Indy films at the cinema together (Raiders on a later re-showing). Had a good time. I'll try to keep it vague and spoiler-light here. Some of the CGI was a little undercooked, and yes I feel you could've trimmed about twenty minutes off it easy. I though Ford did a good job, as did PWB and Mads. I appreciated the lightly handled but good story beats for the previous films. And I thought the story kept me guessing and resolved pretty neatly. Very much liked the choice of end scene. I'll definitely watch this one again, want to see the bits of set-up I missed. It's not a patch on Raiders or Last Crusade, and I need to see it again to be sure. But right now I'd put it above both Temple and Skull. Dial of Destiny's underwhelming box office feels like a combination of four things: -Premiering it at Cannes was a mistake as the mediocre word of mouth killed a lot of the marketing momentum and has made people less inclined to check it out. -The Indiana Jones films' core audience skews older and there's been nothing in terms of the franchise's (small) recent presence or the concept of Dial of Destiny to get younger people in big numbers to come and see it. -Its the kind of film that feels too late to make now. Indy 4 should have realistically been something that came out in the mid 90s while Ford was relatively younger, and then something like Dial of Destiny in 2008 to properly give the character a send off. His current age is something that turns off many potential audience members, and there's not been enough reviews/word of mouth that the film effectively turns his older status into a dramatic strength like Stallone did with Rocky Balboa. -Reshoots and other factors have ballooned the budget so much that its ensured that the film actually making a profit would be tricky even if the three previous elements weren't there. Indy 5 as a movie in 2023 just has too much of an uphill climb to really do big numbers. I think this really nailed it. Given I highly suspect the Hollywood Accounting way the budget was inflated - rolling in the previous failed production & script costs over the years, alongside the actual budget and COVID extra costs - I hope that some Hollywood Accounting also helps it at least break even after the home streaming and media releases.
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