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Post by raymondo316 on Oct 4, 2021 12:53:39 GMT -5
Going from wrestling in arenas in front of thousands of fans a week and over 1.5 million watching on TV, to monthly TV tapings with a couple of hundred fans in a small venue and 100-125 thousand people watching on TV.
For a big name talent like Bray it's easy to see why he wouldn't be keen on going to Impact.
Also, why he may be able to do all his Fiend type stuff in Impact, if hardly anyone is watching the show, is it really much of a selling point to him.
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Post by noobeast on Oct 4, 2021 13:02:11 GMT -5
There was also that oh-so-hilarious "joke" about how my dad abandoned me, but hey, why bring that part up? Just bring up the parts that make you feel cool. And yes, it was definitely ME being defensive, not the 3 people who immediately had to jump in to defend dirtsheets from the 2 people who weren't bothering anyone. The same people who have argued and called names in other threads over the same opinions. But yeah, it was DEFINITELY me being defensive. I know nothing about you besides your irrational need to bring Dave into any conversation. The dad leaving for smokes is a common trope. It would be like me making a chicken crossing the road joke and someone being offended because their pet got hit by a car. You should maybe read the thread. I didn't bring Meltzer up. At all. Not once. As much as you want me to, it didn't happen. I replied to someone else who made a comment. We were talking about Alvarez. You know, the guy in the OP that literally EVERYONE in the thread is discussing? The one who just kept saying "Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, I know, but I don't know", which is literally what I was alluding to in my original reply? Yeah, that guy. But, as usual, any time you say anything about wrestling journalists, Meltzer bois have to come out of the woodwork to defend his honor. Doesn't matter if you say his name or are even actually talking about him, they'll come for you. It's like a f***ing cult, man.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 4, 2021 13:04:02 GMT -5
Going from wrestling in arenas in front of thousands of fans a week and over 1.5 million watching on TV, to monthly TV tapings with a couple of hundred fans in a small venue and 100-125 thousand people watching on TV. For a big name talent like Bray it's easy to see why he wouldn't be keen on going to Impact. Also, why he may be able to do all his Fiend type stuff in Impact, if hardly anyone is watching the show, is it really much of a selling point to him. If WWE fired him and AEW doesn't want hi, then the choice isn't fully his, but also yes, I do think there's still an appeal to doing that sort of thing in front of a tenth of an audience for somebody whose concern and passion is being creative. I think professional pride and wanting to express that creative side is something a lot of people underrate for specific wrestlers, and the only options for the man right now are to take whoever will hire him, or leave wrestling entirely. But is it really that different from an actor who was in some big movies, fell off, but still does artsy independent stuff or moves to theater? That's a transition people make all the time.
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Post by Instant Classic on Oct 4, 2021 13:09:01 GMT -5
Bray working in Impact with that small crowd seems disrespectful. To whom exactly? No one really it’d be huge for Impact to get him , but damn are their fans small in comparison to how big he was in full on arenas.
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Post by Chiral on Oct 4, 2021 13:14:45 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 4, 2021 13:38:12 GMT -5
Going from wrestling in arenas in front of thousands of fans a week and over 1.5 million watching on TV, to monthly TV tapings with a couple of hundred fans in a small venue and 100-125 thousand people watching on TV. For a big name talent like Bray it's easy to see why he wouldn't be keen on going to Impact. Also, why he may be able to do all his Fiend type stuff in Impact, if hardly anyone is watching the show, is it really much of a selling point to him. If WWE fired him and AEW doesn't want hi, then the choice isn't fully his, but also yes, I do think there's still an appeal to doing that sort of thing in front of a tenth of an audience for somebody whose concern and passion is being creative. I think professional pride and wanting to express that creative side is something a lot of people underrate for specific wrestlers, and the only options for the man right now are to take whoever will hire him, or leave wrestling entirely. But is it really that different from an actor who was in some big movies, fell off, but still does artsy independent stuff or moves to theater? That's a transition people make all the time. I mean the dude was a main eventer in the WWE for years and was a massive merch mover and got a % of that, so he probably doesn't need the money that being in front of a much bigger audience brings. So if he's still getting paid well AND gets to do whatever crazy thing he comes up with I'm pretty sure he'd be happy with any place that lets him.
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 4, 2021 13:46:43 GMT -5
Going from wrestling in arenas in front of thousands of fans a week and over 1.5 million watching on TV, to monthly TV tapings with a couple of hundred fans in a small venue and 100-125 thousand people watching on TV. For a big name talent like Bray it's easy to see why he wouldn't be keen on going to Impact. Also, why he may be able to do all his Fiend type stuff in Impact, if hardly anyone is watching the show, is it really much of a selling point to him. It’s a bigger paycheck and more exposure than he’s get from most other Indy feds. As much as anything else, a way to keep a high profile until a better offer comes his way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 13:54:55 GMT -5
I think people really forget that ANTHEM can easily foot the bill to pay Bray more than people are giving credit but it is simply up to them if they want to spend the money on him.
But I honestly believe the money isn't his first priority anymore...unless he has been really bad with his finances he should be pretty well off with whatever he made during his stint in WWE , this is gonna be about being creatively fulfiled for him now and if Impact is gonna let him go wild with his ideas then that is where he should go.
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Post by noobeast on Oct 4, 2021 14:01:53 GMT -5
There is always the possibility that he could help bring eyes to a product, though.
Like, if he went to AEW right now, he would be a star no doubt, but they already have plenty of those to go around.
In Impact, he could create his own legacy, to a degree. If he could go there and actually make a difference, it would be a HUGE deal, and set him up to love on later, if he wants.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 4, 2021 14:09:24 GMT -5
I think people really forget that ANTHEM can easily foot the bill to pay Bray more than people are giving credit but it is simply up to them if they want to spend the money on him. But I honestly believe the money isn't his first priority anymore...unless he has been really bad with his finances he should be pretty well off with whatever he made during his stint in WWE , this is gonna be about being creatively fulfiled for him now and if Impact is gonna let him go wild with his ideas then that is where he should go. Anthem also has another massive advantage over other promotions he could go to if AEW is off the table: their wrestling company is owned by a television production company who are producing their show in-house. There's way more there in terms of resources for the 'production' side of things. If he wants sets, if he wants props, if there's a costume he needs, because they aren't working on some shoestring production budget scraped together from FITE deals and sponsors, he'll be able to get those things. If he makes those demands in the negotiation step and they want him bad enough, he'll have tons of room to play with and to pull in what he needs. They're the ideal company for him right now. And it'll go to Youtube, too. Maybe not the huigest audience, but there's Broken Matt videos out there from his time in dumpster era TNA with more views than Firefly Funhouse. He'll have access, he'll have the tools.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 14:15:03 GMT -5
I think people really forget that ANTHEM can easily foot the bill to pay Bray more than people are giving credit but it is simply up to them if they want to spend the money on him. But I honestly believe the money isn't his first priority anymore...unless he has been really bad with his finances he should be pretty well off with whatever he made during his stint in WWE , this is gonna be about being creatively fulfiled for him now and if Impact is gonna let him go wild with his ideas then that is where he should go. Anthem also has another massive advantage over other promotions he could go to if AEW is off the table: their wrestling company is owned by a television production company who are producing their show in-house. There's way more there in terms of resources for the 'production' side of things. If he wants sets, if he wants props, if there's a costume he needs, because they aren't working on some shoestring production budget scraped together from FITE deals and sponsors, he'll be able to get those things. If he makes those demands in the negotiation step and they want him bad enough, he'll have tons of room to play with and to pull in what he needs. They're the ideal company for him right now. And it'll go to Youtube, too. Maybe not the huigest audience, but there's Broken Matt videos out there from his time in dumpster era TNA with more views than Firefly Funhouse. He'll have access, he'll have the tools. That to. I said it earlier it aint gonna look like a LU production at all but atleast he would have the ability to try and do similar creative ideas where he can just go wild and he and Rosemary a creative pair behind the scenes would do so much for Impact because she is very similar to Bray from the undead realm , to wrestlehouse etc.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Oct 4, 2021 21:07:39 GMT -5
Going from wrestling in arenas in front of thousands of fans a week and over 1.5 million watching on TV, to monthly TV tapings with a couple of hundred fans in a small venue and 100-125 thousand people watching on TV. For a big name talent like Bray it's easy to see why he wouldn't be keen on going to Impact. Also, why he may be able to do all his Fiend type stuff in Impact, if hardly anyone is watching the show, is it really much of a selling point to him. This is my stance as well. I can see how Windham would be beneficial to Impact, and he'd have more freedoms to be spooky. But Bray is a huge name, one of the biggest fan favorites/merch sellers in spite of his shitty booking, is a master of crowd psychology, and would work much better with an arena crowd. To go from WWE to Impact feels like a major downgrade for someone of his stature. I don't think he'd get lost in the shuffle as much as people think. He would get one of the loudest reactions of the night, and can easily slide into The Dark Order storyline with Hangman if they're still going that route. The crowd loves him. Give him a crowd to be loved by. Dude's more than earned it.
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Post by noobeast on Oct 4, 2021 21:27:04 GMT -5
Going from wrestling in arenas in front of thousands of fans a week and over 1.5 million watching on TV, to monthly TV tapings with a couple of hundred fans in a small venue and 100-125 thousand people watching on TV. For a big name talent like Bray it's easy to see why he wouldn't be keen on going to Impact. Also, why he may be able to do all his Fiend type stuff in Impact, if hardly anyone is watching the show, is it really much of a selling point to him. This is my stance as well. I can see how Windham would be beneficial to Impact, and he'd have more freedoms to be spooky. But Bray is a huge name, one of the biggest fan favorites/merch sellers in spite of his shitty booking, is a master of crowd psychology, and would work much better with an arena crowd. To go from WWE to Impact feels like a major downgrade for someone of his stature. I don't think he'd get lost in the shuffle as much as people think. He would get one of the loudest reactions of the night, and can easily slide into The Dark Order storyline with Hangman if they're still going that route. The crowd loves him. Give him a crowd to be loved by. Dude's more than earned it. I think the issue with a guy like Bray is that his brand of spooky would be better suited for a place like Impact, where they aren't afraid to get a little weird with it. AEW really isn't the place for that kind of thing. Tony Khan has even said that he isn't into those types of gimmicks. I think there is a strong case to be made for the idea that Bray could be the guy to help Impact reach a higher level, and establish more of an identity. He's great, and his creativity could really shine there. He might even get the chance to work with creative there and help write the shows, which I don't think he would get any time soon in AEW. A company like Impact could really flourish with someone like him helping steer the ship in the future. And there is always the possibility of him popping into AEW now and then, which I think would stimulate interest in both companies.
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Post by Chiral on Oct 25, 2021 16:34:20 GMT -5
With Fightful saying Bray's nowhere close to an Impact deal, I really wonder where he's gonna land especially if it's true AEW isn't interested in him rn. Does he go back to WWE, do movies or something, or still end up in Impact or AEW despite the rumors? If he had a 90 day no compete, then there's just a few days left before he can show up somewhere.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 25, 2021 16:43:39 GMT -5
I hope he self-produces a Youtube horror series. Just call "f*** it" and say he's got all the money he could ever want and a hot wife so he's just gonna fulfill his spec script idea for EverymanHYBRID but the concept doesn't drop the ball so hard halfway through that they're basically just dribbling it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 16:50:12 GMT -5
If WWE fired him and AEW doesn't want hi, then the choice isn't fully his, but also yes, I do think there's still an appeal to doing that sort of thing in front of a tenth of an audience for somebody whose concern and passion is being creative. I think professional pride and wanting to express that creative side is something a lot of people underrate for specific wrestlers, and the only options for the man right now are to take whoever will hire him, or leave wrestling entirely. But is it really that different from an actor who was in some big movies, fell off, but still does artsy independent stuff or moves to theater? That's a transition people make all the time. I mean the dude was a main eventer in the WWE for years and was a massive merch mover and got a % of that, so he probably doesn't need the money that being in front of a much bigger audience brings. So if he's still getting paid well AND gets to do whatever crazy thing he comes up with I'm pretty sure he'd be happy with any place that lets him. Living in a barn, wearing Hawaiian shirts, and hanging out with giant men wearing masks. Sounds like a pretty low-cost lifestyle.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Oct 25, 2021 17:29:37 GMT -5
With Fightful saying Bray's nowhere close to an Impact deal, I really wonder where he's gonna land especially if it's true AEW isn't interested in him rn. Does he go back to WWE, do movies or something, or still end up in Impact or AEW despite the rumors? If he had a 90 day no compete, then there's just a few days left before he can show up somewhere. I have a feeling one of the big names that was released this year, will somehow make their way back to WWE. But at like 50% of their previous contract, because they didn't like the other option out there. I guess it's the Nick Khan special.
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Post by raymondo316 on Oct 25, 2021 18:14:29 GMT -5
With Fightful saying Bray's nowhere close to an Impact deal, I really wonder where he's gonna land especially if it's true AEW isn't interested in him rn. Does he go back to WWE, do movies or something, or still end up in Impact or AEW despite the rumors? If he had a 90 day no compete, then there's just a few days left before he can show up somewhere. I have a feeling one of the big names that was released this year, will somehow make their way back to WWE. But at like 50% of their previous contract, because they didn't like the other option out there. I guess it's the Nick Khan special. I'd put money on that being Strowman, I just can't see where else he fits but WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 19:24:35 GMT -5
Yeah that’s the thing with Bray and Braun they are former world champs (like last year) you kinda have to put them at the top of the card. Where are they probably don’t fit in the AEW’s plans and impact can’t afford them. Not like a guy like Fish or W. Morrissey Where you can kinda slide them in wherever. I think Braun’s a surprise in the rumble. Bray either eventually signs with Impact or starts his own Indy or something.
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Post by raymondo316 on Oct 28, 2021 17:17:47 GMT -5
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