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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 16, 2021 19:24:44 GMT -5
Also the real winner last night was me as I skipped both Smackdown and Rampage and went and saw Danhausen >_>
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 16, 2021 19:31:22 GMT -5
AEW has the same ability to get these fast national numbers and leak whatever they want of those numbers if the narrative is incorrect. Shouldn't be on AEW to have to clap back with correct ratings. I think WWE look worse leaking only specific numbers that aren't accurate. They’re not inaccurate numbers. They’re the actual overnight numbers, they just don’t take into account certain markets which usually ends up leading to a small uptick on Monday when the final ratings come in.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 16, 2021 20:00:20 GMT -5
The fast nationals we already have reason to think are pretty dirty are doubly useless here, because only the quarter-hours are going to be a worthwhile comparison. It's WWE trying to control the narrative early again. You wanna talk about stoking tribalism and toxicity? The only reason to drop these numbers when they neither complete nor the ones that need to be compared in the first place is to give one side a chance to yell, assume victory, and take an obnoxious victory lap with it before anything is properly resolved. We're in another one of those "one side is doing something objectively worse in this exact same situation but okay" zones now with this. People who want these numbers to mean more are going to have an actual statement to go around bludgeoning people with, and WWE intentionally shaped up a handle for them. AEW has the same ability to get these fast national numbers and leak whatever they want of those numbers if the narrative is incorrect. Okay? That means nothing here and means nothing in response to what I said. We don't even know if the figures anyone has right now include quarter hour numbers. This isn't about what anyone can do.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 16, 2021 20:01:52 GMT -5
AEW has the same ability to get these fast national numbers and leak whatever they want of those numbers if the narrative is incorrect. Okay? That means nothing here and means nothing in response to what I said. We don't even know if these figures include quarter hour numbers. People were mentioning prior weeks had the demo and these did not so I assume the demos are at least available for leaking if AEW wants to change the narrative before Monday.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Oct 16, 2021 20:02:06 GMT -5
Also the real winner last night was me as I skipped both Smackdown and Rampage and went and saw Danhausen >_> I went to watch hockey... It melted my icey heart
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 20:04:20 GMT -5
Also the real winner last night was me as I skipped both Smackdown and Rampage and went and saw Danhausen >_> Not gonna lie, I skipped em too. Got some new studio headphones in and a new desk with a new computer. Had to put the work in.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 16, 2021 20:04:32 GMT -5
I've said for a while that the only one that matters the ratings for those 30 minutes when they went face to face.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 16, 2021 20:07:16 GMT -5
I mean. Atleast from the early numbers it looks like rampage viewership went up for the first time in awhile. That’s a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 20:09:58 GMT -5
Also the real winner last night was me as I skipped both Smackdown and Rampage and went and saw Danhausen >_> I’m seeing him on Halloween. I can’t wait.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 20:50:13 GMT -5
I loathe…no, I eschew modern WWE. I utterly detest it. But I just don’t watch it. The tribalism is weird to me.
All I’ll say is that, if those numbers are the Fast Nationals, even if the E shills are trying to spin that as a “good” thing, that means that Rampage got within 150K out of the death slot, and the demo is probably going to be close. So when the “real” numbers come out, we’ll probably get the reverse narrative.
TV ratings don’t matter. AEW’s success isn’t measured by “beating” WWE. WWE is a corporate juggernaut with a 30 year head start. AEW’s success, to me, is putting on great professional wrestling shows for pro wrestling fans. The TV ratings just have to be high enough that it doesn’t get canceled. And I really don’t think it’s at risk of that.
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Post by Andy Martin on Oct 16, 2021 21:02:45 GMT -5
Well you’re not a TROLL WWE guy. So you’re not an asshole. Lol So you’re all good. Thanks, but at the same time, we can't claim one side as trolls where's there's plenty of others on the other side. If you see tribal shit somewhere else leave it there or specify. This place should be above that crap. This is where I land on it as well. To be honest, I find both products to be just “alright” in the grand scheme of things with some good, some bad, and some ugly on their programs. It’s the tribalism foolishness that can really suck the enjoyment out of watching either one.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 16, 2021 21:04:42 GMT -5
TV ratings don’t matter. AEW’s success isn’t measured by “beating” WWE. WWE is a corporate juggernaut with a 30 year head start. AEW’s success, to me, is putting on great professional wrestling shows for pro wrestling fans. The TV ratings just have to be high enough that it doesn’t get canceled. And I really don’t think it’s at risk of that. That's the big unevenness here. WWE wants to put AEW out of business and stromp on it, but AEW isn't really trying to take WWE down as a company, and it's still a long way from even being able to attempt to beat them in ratings, even if they're starting to get demo wins over Raw here and there. Being where they are is already a massive accomplishment here, and if they can keep growing, that's going to be all the wins they need.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 21:08:09 GMT -5
If we’re gonna talk about “context,” too, it has to be said that the Rampage Buy In has 710K views and counting.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 16, 2021 21:10:11 GMT -5
Thanks, but at the same time, we can't claim one side as trolls where's there's plenty of others on the other side. If you see tribal shit somewhere else leave it there or specify. This place should be above that crap. This is where I land on it as well. To be honest, I find both products to be just “alright” in the grand scheme of things with some good, some bad, and some ugly on their programs. It’s the tribalism foolishness that can really suck the enjoyment out of watching either one. I’m so hard in the “I can get something out of all three major companies now in NJPW, WWE and AEW and also enjoy some Stardom, MLW and AJPW on the side” camp these days.
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Post by fw91 on Oct 16, 2021 21:11:42 GMT -5
Thanks, but at the same time, we can't claim one side as trolls where's there's plenty of others on the other side. If you see tribal shit somewhere else leave it there or specify. This place should be above that crap. This is where I land on it as well. To be honest, I find both products to be just “alright” in the grand scheme of things with some good, some bad, and some ugly on their programs. It’s the tribalism foolishness that can really suck the enjoyment out of watching either one. yep.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 16, 2021 21:14:44 GMT -5
I guess you could say I skipped them but I don't watch SmackDown and Rampage to begin with so it's more that I didn't put in the effort to watch them.
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Post by fw91 on Oct 16, 2021 21:16:43 GMT -5
TV ratings don’t matter. AEW’s success isn’t measured by “beating” WWE. WWE is a corporate juggernaut with a 30 year head start. AEW’s success, to me, is putting on great professional wrestling shows for pro wrestling fans. The TV ratings just have to be high enough that it doesn’t get canceled. And I really don’t think it’s at risk of that. That's the big unevenness here. WWE wants to put AEW out of business and stromp on it, but AEW isn't really trying to take WWE down as a company, and it's still a long way from even being able to attempt to beat them in ratings, even if they're starting to get demo wins over Raw here and there. Being where they are is already a massive accomplishment here, and if they can keep growing, that's going to be all the wins they need. This is what I mean. Who's to say WWE wants AEW out of business? I see it as somewhat as the opposite. WWE doesn't acknowledge AEW on tv, where AEW takes jabs often. If they wanted AEW out they would would work harder to keep talent on their roster.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 16, 2021 21:18:45 GMT -5
Who's to say WWE wants AEW out of business? Because after 40 straight years of WWE consuming everything that gets in their way there's no reason to think anything different would happen now and they went out of their way to try to suffocate it in the womb with NXT to the point they very uncharacteristically positioned NXT as a top show on par with the main roster for the immediate couple of months after it launched only to then promptly abandon all pretenses of pushing it as a brand the second it was clear that wasn't working.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 16, 2021 21:23:16 GMT -5
That's the big unevenness here. WWE wants to put AEW out of business and stromp on it, but AEW isn't really trying to take WWE down as a company, and it's still a long way from even being able to attempt to beat them in ratings, even if they're starting to get demo wins over Raw here and there. Being where they are is already a massive accomplishment here, and if they can keep growing, that's going to be all the wins they need. This is what I mean. Who's to say WWE wants AEW out of business? I see it as somewhat as the opposite. WWE doesn't acknowledge AEW on tv, where AEW takes jabs often. If they wanted AEW out they would would work harder to keep talent on their roster.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 21:24:43 GMT -5
That's the big unevenness here. WWE wants to put AEW out of business and stromp on it, but AEW isn't really trying to take WWE down as a company, and it's still a long way from even being able to attempt to beat them in ratings, even if they're starting to get demo wins over Raw here and there. Being where they are is already a massive accomplishment here, and if they can keep growing, that's going to be all the wins they need. This is what I mean. Who's to say WWE wants AEW out of business? I see it as somewhat as the opposite. WWE doesn't acknowledge AEW on tv, where AEW takes jabs often. If they wanted AEW out they would would work harder to keep talent on their roster. They weaponized NXT to counterprogram Dynamite. There’s no possible explanation for that other than WWE’s arrogance leading them to believe they could stamp AEW out before it started. I think they’ve backed off it a bit since then, but WWE definitely tried to snuff AEW out in the beginning.
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