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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Oct 9, 2021 10:46:33 GMT -5
This tweet is not as serious and toxic as people are making it out to be. "Wendy's insults McDonald's Burgers in Commercial, Western Civilization Collapses." Coach of a Football Team: "We're going to score more touchdowns than that other team this Sunday!" !Gasp! I mean really, what is he SUPPOSED to say?
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Oct 9, 2021 10:47:06 GMT -5
Pride goeth before a fall.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Oct 9, 2021 10:48:36 GMT -5
This all just feels so false to me.
Like wondering if we really want WWE gone? About jobs being destroyed? Like, do you know how many companies WWE has destroyed? Hell, they sank a whole country's scene (UK) and tried to do it to another (Japan) in the past two years!
C'mon. Tony and AEW, not even their fans, are anywhere as bad as the juggernaut you're defending.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 10:48:51 GMT -5
I guess the thing that irks me the most is the fact that they have a billionaire behind them as well as a network that loves them so why polarize your audience? I tell my 2 young daughters all the time that just because someone else does something doesn't mean you have to and I don't think that is a hard concept to apply even on a professional level.
In the end, I just want AEW to succeed as the mecca of professional wrestling but I also want WWE to exist and thrive for its rich history and television show aspirations that seems to drive passion in kids and hell even my wife. She prefers WWE's story telling even if it's very hard to watch on a personal level. To me, they are nearly two different products but the fan-fueled war tends to blur the reality. A continued war that forces fans to choose sides may end up driving them away from the industry as a whole. Whatever it is now a days.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 9, 2021 10:53:25 GMT -5
Tony Khan makes a tweet that's just "Hey I can't wait to get higher ratings next week when your show creeps up into my time slot" and that's a bad we need to complain about. WWE cuts off another promotion from its streaming deal talks and it's just "Eh, business, whatever, they need to make money and crush the competition, no point criticizing them for it". The energies here feel weirdly inverted. From a personal perspective, it just seems weird to me to get up in arms when WWE acts like a big business when that is what they are. Literally driven only by money and longevity. It isn't a defense of them just how they have always operated when in front. Me stating in the original post that I wish Khan wouldn't do this is simply that. Be different and continue to build this amazing brand instead of drawing lines in the sand. And that's fine, you can say that, but to me it's more the energy of like, actively wet blanketing on criticism of something that's more directly harmful, where it's not worth saying it's bad but is worth telling people it's not worth saying it's bad, but then being like "I wish this wouldn't happen" over a tweet. If this is about changing a leopard's spots and being a business, that same argument could be made for Khan not only openly wanting to beat Smackdown in the ratings, but even in feeding these sentiments to create brand loyalty the same way brands do all the time. I don't necessarily think that's a fair argument, but it's one that tracks with the same logic, is where I'm going with this.
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Post by sunnytaker on Oct 9, 2021 10:57:54 GMT -5
don;t worry everyone, that was "the Forbidden Door" talking not tony
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 10:58:08 GMT -5
and at the end of the day I am not the one that created this fire as hundreds of others are expressing the same sentiment on other platforms I am simply the one that brought it to our attention here for a more civilized discussion then I have seen elsewhere. I have stayed here for nearly 2 decades because it seems to be the only place where I could post, albeit polarizing sometimes, yet still not feel insulted or attacked.
What Tony did here isn't the end of the world but it does open up a debate on how good this actually is for AEW as well as the industry as a whole. I know the idea of war time does drive economies but it also builds resentment.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Oct 9, 2021 11:12:25 GMT -5
This tweet is not as serious and toxic as people are making it out to be. Right. Tony Khan has gone out of his way in multiple interviews to compliment WWE and say that he wants both companies to exist and thrive on their own. He's been baited over and over and said "hey, I know people over there, they're great. There's no bad blood", so the dude is clearly just having fun. WWE counter-programming AEW with that overrun is a clear message, so why not puff your chest out a bit? Blaming Tony for fans being toxic isn't the move. Especially when he's been way nicer than he honestly should have been up until this point.
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Post by khali on Oct 9, 2021 11:13:11 GMT -5
Tony Khan didn’t polarize anyone with one tweet. Anyone who had a severe reaction from one stupid tweet was already off the deep end on this matter. Bryan Alvarez tweets out just a ratings number of these shows, and the sharks jump in. If a number and no words work people up, TK didn’t start anything with this.
And the fact is that Tony Khan and AEW are held to a higher standard than WWE. WWE has done enough awful and harmful things to fill several volumes, but it’s always “sucks, but they act like a business” or something like that. Just because they’ve always acted that way doesn’t mean we should think it’s okay.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 11:13:12 GMT -5
From a personal perspective, it just seems weird to me to get up in arms when WWE acts like a big business when that is what they are. Literally driven only by money and longevity. It isn't a defense of them just how they have always operated when in front. Me stating in the original post that I wish Khan wouldn't do this is simply that. Be different and continue to build this amazing brand instead of drawing lines in the sand. And that's fine, you can say that, but to me it's more the energy of like, actively wet blanketing on criticism of something that's more directly harmful, where it's not worth saying it's bad but is worth telling people it's not worth saying it's bad, but then being like "I wish this wouldn't happen" over a tweet. If this is about changing a leopard's spots and being a business, that same argument could be made for Khan not only openly wanting to beat Smackdown in the ratings, but even in feeding these sentiments to create brand loyalty the same way brands do all the time. I don't necessarily think that's a fair argument, but it's one that tracks with the same logic, is where I'm going with this. I agree with you. AEW SHOULD be actively trying to beat Smackdown and any other competition but it's the lasting effects of fighting fire with fire and using the fans to do so that I am mostly concerned about. There is a reason this industry and the people inside of it have called us "marks" for years.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 9, 2021 11:18:56 GMT -5
And that's fine, you can say that, but to me it's more the energy of like, actively wet blanketing on criticism of something that's more directly harmful, where it's not worth saying it's bad but is worth telling people it's not worth saying it's bad, but then being like "I wish this wouldn't happen" over a tweet. If this is about changing a leopard's spots and being a business, that same argument could be made for Khan not only openly wanting to beat Smackdown in the ratings, but even in feeding these sentiments to create brand loyalty the same way brands do all the time. I don't necessarily think that's a fair argument, but it's one that tracks with the same logic, is where I'm going with this. I agree with you. AEW SHOULD be actively trying to beat Smackdown and any other competition but it's the lasting effects of fighting fire with fire and using the fans to do so that I am mostly concerned about. There is a reason this industry and the people inside of it have called us "marks" for years. And I agree that it's a reason to be concerned, I just think that "It's what they should do" shouldn't be cutting down any criticism. The conversation being had isn't really my point of contention right now.
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Post by khali on Oct 9, 2021 11:21:48 GMT -5
And also, the perfect example of the false dichotomy is the NXT move to USA. People still say that wasn’t WWE attempting to sabotage Dynamite as it was debuting. This, of course, ignores the obvious evidence such as NXT rushing to debut one hour in the time slot even though the second hour would have to be on the network due to Suits airing. And then the first full two hour NXT on USA just happened to be the debut of Dynamite.
But yes, surely that was a coincidence and not toxic like a Tony Khan tweet.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 9, 2021 11:25:47 GMT -5
Tony Khan didn’t polarize anyone with one tweet. Anyone who had a severe reaction from one stupid tweet was already off the deep end on this matter. Bryan Alvarez tweets out just a ratings number of these shows, and the sharks jump in. If a number and no words work people up, TK didn’t start anything with this. And the fact is that Tony Khan and AEW are held to a higher standard than WWE. WWE has done enough awful and harmful things to fill several volumes, but it’s always “sucks, but they act like a business” or something like that. Just because they’ve always acted that way doesn’t mean we should think it’s okay. I don't know if that's such a bad thing. WWE has managed to become so cartoonishly despotic that "a higher standard" than Vince, Nick, and the gaggle of yes-men is an extremely low bar to clear. Nobody has any expectations that WWE is going to conduct themselves in a way that isn't disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 11:32:29 GMT -5
And also, the perfect example of the false dichotomy is the NXT move to USA. People still say that wasn’t WWE attempting to sabotage Dynamite as it was debuting. This, of course, ignores the obvious evidence such as NXT rushing to debut one hour in the time slot even though the second hour would have to be on the network due to Suits airing. And then the first full two hour NXT on USA just happened to be the debut of Dynamite. But yes, surely that was a coincidence and not toxic like a Tony Khan tweet. Oh I am not saying that or denying that whatsoever and if any of my posts have implied that then I misrepresented my slant. WWE's entire goal is to rule as the supreme leader as any other publically traded company. To them, they are the industry and the rest is AAA baseball at best. I am not defending their business practices just that they exist and they have been pretty constant for 3 decades now. WWE's mission is the longevity of WWE. With that said I do not think it is healthy for pro wrestling and this revival of passion towards it if AEW and Khan treat it like WCW vs. WWF. Frankly I do not want them to be WCW either as there was a lot of corruption and mismanagement as well just most of it was hidden from Turner executives. WWE does not and should not get a pass for what they do but unfortunately, at times it comes across like that because of how long they have been the only game in town and for how long things have been accepted. It also feels like every single response to an AEW criticism is followed with "but WWE does this"...This is continuously fueled by the us vs. them mentality instead of allowing AEW to exist in its own utopia.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 9, 2021 11:37:16 GMT -5
I'm totally fine with WWE going the extra 30 minutes and I'm totally fine with Tony going on the offensive. A lot of his talent love this stuff. This is just what competition looks like. But let's not pretend WWE didn't have AEW in mind when they did this.
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Post by markymark on Oct 9, 2021 12:00:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 12:01:41 GMT -5
The best follow up he could have given really...That deters from the us vs. them mentality and more of a sports competition'esque take. We will get them next time if not.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 9, 2021 12:26:33 GMT -5
Come on folks we all know TK isn't toxic towards wrestling fans. Its Fulham and Jags fans hes hostile towards
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Post by mo on Oct 9, 2021 12:27:29 GMT -5
It was a stupid tweet but AEW aren’t the ones who started this supposed “war” so it’s whatever.
Folks gonna be having a field day if the tweet does age poorly though.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 9, 2021 12:30:38 GMT -5
Meh, I liked when wrestling was competitive. Let them fight.
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