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Post by ppl591 on Feb 12, 2022 21:18:08 GMT -5
What? It didn't. It was just a line in a Rampage promo, I think it went to some places it really didn't need to go. I don't think that's a controversial thought to have, nor did I say anyone couldn't feel that way. Saying it’s unnecessary and not serious is pretty much saying people shouldn’t feel that way, or at least shouldn’t be posting about it here. I have to agree with that. Different subjects and lines are going to bring out different reactions in people based on their lives. It absolutely is necessary in a discussion about this promo for those voices to be heard as well. And no offense but the wording definitely makes it feel like it's unecessary for those who feel this way about it shouldn't be bringing it up
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 21:24:55 GMT -5
If they chopped it up prior and she let her use it then I'm fine with it being said. If not then I can see why people would have an issue with it. I can see why it would be a problem due to the subject matter.
Fire words from them both. AEW has a way of making blood feuds come easy.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Feb 12, 2022 21:37:03 GMT -5
If they chopped it up prior and she let her use it then I'm fine with it being said. If not then I can see why people would have an issue with it. I can see why it would be a problem due to the subject matter. Fire words from them both. AEW has a way of making blood feuds come easy. No one should be up in arms about it. There's no way it was a shoot. It was a pre-taped promo for goodness sakes. They were probably both in the same room when it was being filmed. Worky McWork Work.
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Post by eJm on Feb 12, 2022 21:40:11 GMT -5
Yeah, look, they likely both agreed to it because it wouldn’t have gotten on TV and we’d be talking about different lines. Whether you like the line or not is up to you and your limits but I couldn’t imagine that being the case.
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Post by petef3 on Feb 12, 2022 21:52:03 GMT -5
I have no doubt that Leyla signed off on it, but I don't excuse bad ideas just because they came from a wrestler and not some hack in "creative." If something is bad, it's bad.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 12, 2022 22:00:28 GMT -5
I loved it.
What's she supposed to say? "Well, golly gee, that completely unrelated fact changes everything! I guess it's fine you destroyed my knee." You can be a babyface and not be Jimmy Olsen.
It reminded me of talent contests when the contestant thinks they should win because their cat died and they had to take the bus. Just sing Celine Dion and shut up.
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Post by petef3 on Feb 12, 2022 22:04:22 GMT -5
I loved it. What's she supposed to say? "Well, golly gee, that completely unrelated fact changes everything! I guess it's fine you destroyed my knee." You can be a babyface and not be Jimmy Olsen. It reminded me of talent contests when the contestant thinks they should win because their cat died and they had to take the bus. Just sing Celine Dion and shut up. Pretty clear false dichotomy here.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 12, 2022 22:06:03 GMT -5
I loved it. What's she supposed to say? "Well, golly gee, that completely unrelated fact changes everything! I guess it's fine you destroyed my knee." You can be a babyface and not be Jimmy Olsen. It reminded me of talent contests when the contestant thinks they should win because their cat died and they had to take the bus. Just sing Celine Dion and shut up. Pretty clear false dichotomy here. You're just saying that because I was bullied as a child.
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Post by petef3 on Feb 12, 2022 22:07:25 GMT -5
Pretty clear false dichotomy here. You're just saying that because I was bullied as a child. "This isn't about your childhood. This is about settling things in the ring on a discussion board." See? You can rebut the point while still coming off as a babyface.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 12, 2022 22:13:47 GMT -5
You're just saying that because I was bullied as a child. "This isn't about your childhood. This is about settling things in the ring on a discussion board." See? You can rebut the point while still coming off as a babyface. I guess, but her response was more realistic.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 12, 2022 22:24:14 GMT -5
I loved it. What's she supposed to say? "Well, golly gee, that completely unrelated fact changes everything! I guess it's fine you destroyed my knee." You can be a babyface and not be Jimmy Olsen. It reminded me of talent contests when the contestant thinks they should win because their cat died and they had to take the bus. Just sing Celine Dion and shut up. You’re just taking it to the complete opposite extreme. She could just say that being adopted doesn’t justify what you did to me, and then cut a fiery promo about how you’re going to kick her ass.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 12, 2022 22:43:03 GMT -5
I loved it. What's she supposed to say? "Well, golly gee, that completely unrelated fact changes everything! I guess it's fine you destroyed my knee." You can be a babyface and not be Jimmy Olsen. It reminded me of talent contests when the contestant thinks they should win because their cat died and they had to take the bus. Just sing Celine Dion and shut up. You’re just taking it to the complete opposite extreme. She could just say that being adopted doesn’t justify what you did to me, and then cut a fiery promo about how you’re going to kick her ass. I preferred her response lol
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 12, 2022 22:48:57 GMT -5
What? It didn't. It was just a line in a Rampage promo, I think it went to some places it really didn't need to go. I don't think that's a controversial thought to have, nor did I say anyone couldn't feel that way. Saying it’s unnecessary and not serious is pretty much saying people shouldn’t feel that way, or at least shouldn’t be posting about it here. I didn't mean it that way, I more meant of all threads to go now six pages, this one is one that really shouldn't have imo. I guess I'm just gobsmacked that this thread of all things got in danger of being locked. I'm not personally trying to undermine people who were personally offended or took the comments to heart, but in reality it's a throwaway line that is in kayfabe to a show, signed off on by two performers. An antagonist trying to gaslight and play sympathy after hurting multiple people, for the babyface to throw it right back on them, something we see in several mediums of fiction, yet it's a problem here when a babyface isn't taking bullshit lying down. It's NEVER been about insulting an orphan, ever imo. It's about Hirsch trying to use that to deflect blame, like a heel would do, and Statlander essentially calling her out on it. Was it extreme? Yes. But this woman has tried to injure her outside the confines of a ring and also tried to hurt her friends repeatedly and wanted to play a sympathy card so... It's as cut and dry as it gets imo, the fact it's snowballed like it has when I made the thread in lighthearted fun makes me regret doing it at all lmfao.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 12, 2022 22:56:19 GMT -5
I have no doubt that Leyla signed off on it, but I don't excuse bad ideas just because they came from a wrestler and not some hack in "creative." If something is bad, it's bad. What is a bad idea and what isn't is subjective. Plenty of people in this thread loved the line and said it got them more invested in the feud as a whole, plenty of people in the live thread and online loved the line too The ones who didn't have voiced their grievances, but just because you say something is bad, or was a bad idea, doesn't mean it's true either.
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Post by petef3 on Feb 12, 2022 23:00:17 GMT -5
I have no doubt that Leyla signed off on it, but I don't excuse bad ideas just because they came from a wrestler and not some hack in "creative." If something is bad, it's bad. What is a bad idea and what isn't is subjective. Plenty of people in this thread loved the line and said it got them more invested in the feud as a whole, plenty of people in the live thread and online loved the line too The ones who didn't have voiced their grievances, but just because you say something is bad, or was a bad idea, doesn't mean it's true either. And we all learned in middle school that qualifying every single statement with "In my opinion..." is weak writing. That it's the poster's subjective opinion is like the base minimum expectation of any post.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 12, 2022 23:06:23 GMT -5
What is a bad idea and what isn't is subjective. Plenty of people in this thread loved the line and said it got them more invested in the feud as a whole, plenty of people in the live thread and online loved the line too The ones who didn't have voiced their grievances, but just because you say something is bad, or was a bad idea, doesn't mean it's true either. And we all learned in middle school that qualifying every single statement with "In my opinion..." is weak writing. That it's the poster's subjective opinion is like the base minimum expectation of any post. Call it whatever you like, it's still an opinion you're trying to pass off as a fact when you present it like that, like you're doing in other threads aside from this one and being called out for it too. I don't need a teaching lesson on how writing works either, but thanks. I'll leave it at that because this doesn't need to go any further.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Feb 13, 2022 0:23:14 GMT -5
I clapped when Statlander said that because I still can't get behind Leyla or feel sorry for her
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Post by pinja on Feb 13, 2022 1:41:45 GMT -5
There are two main types of babyfaces - both of which I can like, if they're written consistently.
There's the dignified babyface, the one standing above backhanded tactics, who's showing empathy for their opponents, who isn't using opportunities to stoop just as low. That's usually the underdog babyface type, having to overcome many obstacles, suffering in the process, but being rewarded by success and sympathy. The most blatant example I can think of this is Sara Crewe from A Little Princess. She loses everything, gets humiliated again and again in the process, but due to keeping her almost royal grace, she manages to survive, have small victories, and when, in the end, she has the chance to attack those who did her wrong, she just smiled and waved goodbye. Many people don't like that type of reaction, but it totally fits her character and is a great way to show that there is an alternative to clapping back in order to win.
The other type has solid base morals, but is willing and able to play just as dirty as the heels. That's your tweeners, antiheroes, heels turned babyfaces and often your average good-hearted human being. They don't just take and transform their suffering, but try to reflect it. Examples for this are Anne of Green Gables and Jo March from Little Women. Both clear babyfaces, having great heads in their shoulders and hearts in their chests, but they tend to react viscious to being done wrong. When Anne was called Carrot by a classmate, she smashed his chalkboard over his head. A nice moment, perfectly fitting her character. She doesn't take anything and shows it.
Now, Sara would be written bad pretty objectively bad if she suddenly had acted like Anne. If a reaction feels out of character based on everything we could learn about them so far, it's bad writing. Even if some or many people love that out of character reaction. The writer needs to acknoledges that their characters act differently for a moment, maybe because they try to deviate from their usual path. They can't just do it without feeling inconsistent.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 13, 2022 2:29:23 GMT -5
There are two main types of babyfaces - both of which I can like, if they're written consistently. There's the dignified babyface, the one standing above backhanded tactics, who's showing empathy for their opponents, who isn't using opportunities to stoop just as low. That's usually the underdog babyface type, having to overcome many obstacles, suffering in the process, but being rewarded by success and sympathy. The most blatant example I can think of this is Sara Crewe from A Little Princess. She loses everything, gets humiliated again and again in the process, but due to keeping her almost royal grace, she manages to survive, have small victories, and when, in the end, she has the chance to attack those who did her wrong, she just smiled and waved goodbye. Many people don't like that type of reaction, but it totally fits her character and is a great way to show that there is an alternative to clapping back in order to win. The other type has solid base morals, but is willing and able to play just as dirty as the heels. That's your tweeners, antiheroes, heels turned babyfaces and often your average good-hearted human being. They don't just take and transform their suffering, but try to reflect it. Examples for this are Anne of Green Gables and Jo March from Little Women. Both clear babyfaces, having great heads in their shoulders and hearts in their chests, but they tend to react viscious to being done wrong. When Anne was called Carrot by a classmate, she smashed his chalkboard over his head. A nice moment, perfectly fitting her character. She doesn't take anything and shows it. Now, Sara would be written bad pretty objectively bad if she suddenly had acted like Anne. If a reaction feels out of character based on everything we could learn about them so far, it's bad writing. Even if some or many people love that out of character reaction. The writer needs to acknoledges that their characters act differently for a moment, maybe because they try to deviate from their usual path. They can't just do it without feeling inconsistent. Still trying to figure out how it's out of character for Statlander anyway, she hasn't gotten a ton of promos to tell me if this is supposed to be bad writing or out of character, this is the first time she's been able to show real fire in promos, and up to this point in terms of body language, she's always kind of been sassy or take no prisoners So yeah it would be out of character for someone who has cut multiple promos of virtue to go to a deep well... but nowhere has Statlander told me this is contradictory to her as a character or her behavior.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 13, 2022 6:22:22 GMT -5
There are two main types of babyfaces - both of which I can like, if they're written consistently. There's the dignified babyface, the one standing above backhanded tactics, who's showing empathy for their opponents, who isn't using opportunities to stoop just as low. That's usually the underdog babyface type, having to overcome many obstacles, suffering in the process, but being rewarded by success and sympathy. The most blatant example I can think of this is Sara Crewe from A Little Princess. She loses everything, gets humiliated again and again in the process, but due to keeping her almost royal grace, she manages to survive, have small victories, and when, in the end, she has the chance to attack those who did her wrong, she just smiled and waved goodbye. Many people don't like that type of reaction, but it totally fits her character and is a great way to show that there is an alternative to clapping back in order to win. The other type has solid base morals, but is willing and able to play just as dirty as the heels. That's your tweeners, antiheroes, heels turned babyfaces and often your average good-hearted human being. They don't just take and transform their suffering, but try to reflect it. Examples for this are Anne of Green Gables and Jo March from Little Women. Both clear babyfaces, having great heads in their shoulders and hearts in their chests, but they tend to react viscious to being done wrong. When Anne was called Carrot by a classmate, she smashed his chalkboard over his head. A nice moment, perfectly fitting her character. She doesn't take anything and shows it. Now, Sara would be written bad pretty objectively bad if she suddenly had acted like Anne. If a reaction feels out of character based on everything we could learn about them so far, it's bad writing. Even if some or many people love that out of character reaction. The writer needs to acknoledges that their characters act differently for a moment, maybe because they try to deviate from their usual path. They can't just do it without feeling inconsistent. Nooo, no, there’s not just two types of babyfaces. Why do people think this? You just listed four.
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