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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 14, 2022 9:05:54 GMT -5
I think the match will be really good, but TBH? I thought it sounded like Kris was reading off a teleprompter. Putting aside the justified discussion around the whole adoption line, it wasn't that great a promo in my opinion.
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Post by salz4life on Feb 14, 2022 10:20:01 GMT -5
I don't know if it's been mentioned (I haven't read the entire thread)... but has anyone else noticed that AEW has kind of quietly been removing the "alien" gimmick from Kris?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 10:44:07 GMT -5
It's pretty well known that TK does not like "Out there" gimmicks, so it doesn't surprise me. That's my only real worry about Danhausen. But, dude moves merch so I imagine TK is gonna make exceptions when it helps the bottom line. Meh, most of the time I think AEW is able to walk the tightrope on how serious their wackier characters can get. It’s almost always presented as a natural part of wrestling showmanship. Statlander can keep most of the alien aspects she already had because I never got the impression the company wanted her to be a “true alien”, I doubt it was meant to be taken literally. Acts like those are going to depend on the performers, if Danhausen is able to condition himself for longer bouts than he can move up cards as he gets over with the crowd. Orange’s kicks are just mind games so I don’t have an issue with those. I don’t know if I’d call them “world champions or bust”, but there’s been stranger gimmicks to headline major promotions. OC's gimmick basically turned into "Acts lazy so you'll get frustrated and/or underestimate him so he can work you over", and he's honestly all the better for it. Danhausen walks the line a bit harder than that, but if Attitude-era WWE made The Undertaker, Kane, and Mick Foley's various characters work, they can make Danhausen work. Do I see him as world champion? No. Do I see him in something similar to a Crash Holly role where he's a goofy but lovable midcard face? Absolutely. Everybody wants their favorites to be at the top of the card, and I get that, but at some point you have to accept that there's no shame in being the guy in the midcard who pops the crowd.
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 14, 2022 11:00:24 GMT -5
Ah so we're back to the same pole moving Orange Cassidy was at when he debuted too huh? "No long matches" "Leave the Indies Stuff on the Indies, it'll never work here" "He'll never get title shots" Like ad nauseum, it never fails. I'm honestly getting tired of people who think this shit can't work on mainstream TV, when all Danhausen has had to do is stand there, and he split a crowd vs JON MOXLEY. He's also not a bad worker, he's actually quite good if you watch his matches, so he may legitimately surprise some folks when he's healthy. Dude, DONOVAN DANHAUSEN has said there's a frigging ceiling to his gimmick and that he's not really that great of a pure worker. Why do you think he's worked so hard on the gimmick aspect? Was he doing "epic" matches in ROH? And I'm not even dissing the guy--this is taking AEW defensiveness to a new level. And this is coming off a different poster noting that, yes, Tony Khan clearly isn't all that high on the truly wacky in-ring stuff. He didn't like Joey Ryan even before the unpleasantness came out, and it's believed that he's not a big fan of Broken Matt Hardy, either. Note that--gasp--Orange Cassidy got rid of (or had taken from him) a lot of his goofier indy spots once he started wrestling regularly in AEW. Aside from the slow-motion kicks he pretty much works on the level. He's not doing slow-motion chop battles or other blatant reality-shattering like he was before. Is he better or worse for it? I'll leave that up to others to decide, but it's a fact that his work has changed. That's his legit name? That's a great villain name. Now for the subject at hand as someone who was adopted, eh it was fine. Then again, I enjoy Terry Funk promos where that mad man goes off on someone's entire family.
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Post by eJm on Feb 14, 2022 11:19:45 GMT -5
Everybody wants their favorites to be at the top of the card, and I get that, but at some point you have to accept that there's no shame in being the guy in the midcard who pops the crowd. Let me put it to you this way; Braun Strowman is a former Universal champion. He's beaten Goldberg, Roman Reigns, gone toe to toe with Brock Lesnar, beaten a bunch of big names on the top of the card of WWE (some in one match)...he isn't exactly someone whose being picked up for bookings right now. Besides the "Choose Your Narrative" shows, he's had one ROH cameo. That's it. Scotty 2 Hotty asked for his release and as of right now, he's got a stacked calender from now until WrestleMania. He wrestled for GCW, he wrestled for AAW, he's wrestling here in Ireland on Paddy's Day weekend for OTT, he's doing seminars etc. Why would that be? Because Scotty 2 Hotty got over in his midcard/tag team role and made a tonne of money from it. But also because wrestlers up and down the country are going to him during those shows likely because they want to have that longevity. Now, some of this might be Braun pricing himself out or indie bookers not exactly liking his whole "Suck it up during a global pandemic" speel, who knows? But we've had one company tell us repeatedly being a world champion makes you the most money and being top of the card earns you a status but the fact is; the acrobats might be the star of the circus but you need the strongman (or woman), the clowns, the person who can bend themselves into a ball, all of them you make money from. And even with that, they might be the most memorable part of the show, not the star attraction.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 14, 2022 11:32:36 GMT -5
Everybody wants their favorites to be at the top of the card, and I get that, but at some point you have to accept that there's no shame in being the guy in the midcard who pops the crowd. Let me put it to you this way; Braun Strowman is a former Universal champion. He's beaten Goldberg, Roman Reigns, gone toe to toe with Brock Lesnar, beaten a bunch of big names on the top of the card of WWE (some in one match)...he isn't exactly someone whose being picked up for bookings right now. Besides the "Choose Your Narrative" shows, he's had one ROH cameo. That's it. Scotty 2 Hotty asked for his release and as of right now, he's got a stacked calender from now until WrestleMania. He wrestled for GCW, he wrestled for AAW, he's wrestling here in Ireland on Paddy's Day weekend for OTT, he's doing seminars etc. Why would that be? Because Scotty 2 Hotty got over in his midcard/tag team role and made a tonne of money from it. But also because wrestlers up and down the country are going to him during those shows likely because they want to have that longevity. Now, some of this might be Braun pricing himself out or indie bookers not exactly liking his whole "Suck it up during a global pandemic" speel, who knows? But we've had one company tell us repeatedly being a world champion makes you the most money and being top of the card earns you a status but the fact is; the acrobats might be the star of the circus but you need the strongman (or woman), the clowns, the person who can bend themselves into a ball, all of them you make money from. And even with that, they might be the most memorable part of the show, not the star attraction. Fantastic example. Everyone from performers, to some promoters to a large amount of the fanbase need to stop thinking of the midcard as a dirty word
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 14, 2022 11:33:40 GMT -5
Everybody wants their favorites to be at the top of the card, and I get that, but at some point you have to accept that there's no shame in being the guy in the midcard who pops the crowd. Let me put it to you this way; Braun Strowman is a former Universal champion. He's beaten Goldberg, Roman Reigns, gone toe to toe with Brock Lesnar, beaten a bunch of big names on the top of the card of WWE (some in one match)...he isn't exactly someone whose being picked up for bookings right now. Besides the "Choose Your Narrative" shows, he's had one ROH cameo. That's it. Scotty 2 Hotty asked for his release and as of right now, he's got a stacked calender from now until WrestleMania. He wrestled for GCW, he wrestled for AAW, he's wrestling here in Ireland on Paddy's Day weekend for OTT, he's doing seminars etc. Why would that be? Because Scotty 2 Hotty got over in his midcard/tag team role and made a tonne of money from it. But also because wrestlers up and down the country are going to him during those shows likely because they want to have that longevity. Now, some of this might be Braun pricing himself out or indie bookers not exactly liking his whole "Suck it up during a global pandemic" speel, who knows? But we've had one company tell us repeatedly being a world champion makes you the most money and being top of the card earns you a status but the fact is; the acrobats might be the star of the circus but you need the strongman (or woman), the clowns, the person who can bend themselves into a ball, all of them you make money from. And even with that, they might be the most memorable part of the show, not the star attraction. I get what you're trying to say, but I think it's hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison because we don't know either Braun or Scotty's fee. We also don't know how much Braun wants to be working these days, meanwhile, Scotty's made it clear he's willing to go all over the place. I agree with your point on the need for attractions and their longevity, but I don't think Braun/Scotty's a fair way to make that point.
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Post by eJm on Feb 14, 2022 11:39:45 GMT -5
Let me put it to you this way; Braun Strowman is a former Universal champion. He's beaten Goldberg, Roman Reigns, gone toe to toe with Brock Lesnar, beaten a bunch of big names on the top of the card of WWE (some in one match)...he isn't exactly someone whose being picked up for bookings right now. Besides the "Choose Your Narrative" shows, he's had one ROH cameo. That's it. Scotty 2 Hotty asked for his release and as of right now, he's got a stacked calender from now until WrestleMania. He wrestled for GCW, he wrestled for AAW, he's wrestling here in Ireland on Paddy's Day weekend for OTT, he's doing seminars etc. Why would that be? Because Scotty 2 Hotty got over in his midcard/tag team role and made a tonne of money from it. But also because wrestlers up and down the country are going to him during those shows likely because they want to have that longevity. Now, some of this might be Braun pricing himself out or indie bookers not exactly liking his whole "Suck it up during a global pandemic" speel, who knows? But we've had one company tell us repeatedly being a world champion makes you the most money and being top of the card earns you a status but the fact is; the acrobats might be the star of the circus but you need the strongman (or woman), the clowns, the person who can bend themselves into a ball, all of them you make money from. And even with that, they might be the most memorable part of the show, not the star attraction. I get what you're trying to say, but I think it's hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison because we don't know either Braun or Scotty's fee. We also don't know how much Braun wants to be working these days, meanwhile, Scotty's made it clear he's willing to go all over the place. I agree with your point on the need for attractions, but I don't think Braun/Scotty's a fair way to make that point. Maybe, but I'd sort of feel like there was a window that Braun could have been in a company like Impact and maybe his fee was too big and they went with Big Cass instead since they saw he was getting positive reception after the lockerroom blow up, who knows? But from an outsider perspective, it'd be weird to think that a company would choose to book Scotty over Braun considering recency, status etc. Maybe a better example might be Ryback since, well, he was trying to get himself booked everywhere and he was a headliner for a bit and...well, there was a reason the only possible way a rumor could be started about him going to AEW is if Tony Nese joked about it on Twitter beforehand.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 14, 2022 11:48:14 GMT -5
I get what you're trying to say, but I think it's hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison because we don't know either Braun or Scotty's fee. We also don't know how much Braun wants to be working these days, meanwhile, Scotty's made it clear he's willing to go all over the place. I agree with your point on the need for attractions, but I don't think Braun/Scotty's a fair way to make that point. Maybe, but I'd sort of feel like there was a window that Braun could have been in a company like Impact and maybe his fee was too big and they went with Big Cass instead since they saw he was getting positive reception after the lockerroom blow up, who knows? But from an outsider perspective, it'd be weird to think that a company would choose to book Scotty over Braun considering recency, status etc. Maybe a better example might be Ryback since, well, he was trying to get himself booked everywhere and he was a headliner for a bit and...well, there was a reason the only possible way a rumor could be started about him going to AEW is if Tony Nese joked about it on Twitter beforehand. Yeah, I can get behind Ryback because he had his quick moment on the indies and then everybody stopped caring. I feel like Braun's wrestling appearances lately have been with his actual real-life friends and I could see him doing those as favors. Maybe it'll come out otherwise, but I don't see Braun wanting to be a weekend warrior. Meanwhile, Ryback has come across as pretty desperate lately. There's definitely value to being a midcard act. It's why Eugene's been able to stick around as long as he has while if he came in as Benoit's student like Brent Albright did, he'd be out of the business like Brent Albright is today.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 14, 2022 14:03:18 GMT -5
Let me put it to you this way; Braun Strowman is a former Universal champion. He's beaten Goldberg, Roman Reigns, gone toe to toe with Brock Lesnar, beaten a bunch of big names on the top of the card of WWE (some in one match)...he isn't exactly someone whose being picked up for bookings right now. Besides the "Choose Your Narrative" shows, he's had one ROH cameo. That's it. Scotty 2 Hotty asked for his release and as of right now, he's got a stacked calender from now until WrestleMania. He wrestled for GCW, he wrestled for AAW, he's wrestling here in Ireland on Paddy's Day weekend for OTT, he's doing seminars etc. Why would that be? Because Scotty 2 Hotty got over in his midcard/tag team role and made a tonne of money from it. But also because wrestlers up and down the country are going to him during those shows likely because they want to have that longevity. Now, some of this might be Braun pricing himself out or indie bookers not exactly liking his whole "Suck it up during a global pandemic" speel, who knows? But we've had one company tell us repeatedly being a world champion makes you the most money and being top of the card earns you a status but the fact is; the acrobats might be the star of the circus but you need the strongman (or woman), the clowns, the person who can bend themselves into a ball, all of them you make money from. And even with that, they might be the most memorable part of the show, not the star attraction. Fantastic example. Everyone from performers, to some promoters to a large amount of the fanbase need to stop thinking of the midcard as a dirty word I think it shows that Scotty 2 Hotty spent most of his career in an era where the midcard was a valued part of the WWE product compared to the "Main Event or Bust" attitude of Braun's era. That sorta thing gets set from the top and conditioned from the performers to the fans.
That's also why I like products like NJPW, AEW, and Impact: they make the midcard feel like it matters again.
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 14, 2022 14:43:12 GMT -5
AEW tends to leave it a bit ambiguous. Like they have people in universe question whether Abadon is actually a zombie, or just some weirdo who acts like/thinks she’s one for example.
Statlander is similar in that regard.
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