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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 7, 2022 15:36:22 GMT -5
And I'm sure there'll be some types who claim people mad at this just want to cancel Bagwell because he didn't side with their beliefs, etc.
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Post by evilone on Jul 7, 2022 17:32:01 GMT -5
I've completely failed to comprehend what has happened here that makes this allegedly real bad. What did he do? He didn't run his own twitter? Had a bad supplier deal for merchandise e-commerce?
I was expecting some kind of relaps or public misdemeanor or something. This is nothing. Unless I missed something.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 7, 2022 17:47:35 GMT -5
I've completely failed to comprehend what has happened here that makes this allegedly real bad. What did he do? He didn't run his own twitter? Had a bad supplier deal for merchandise e-commerce? I was expecting some kind of relaps or public misdemeanor or something. This is nothing. Unless I missed something. From what I have gathered, the person running his Twitter was both a registered sex offender and a conman who was scamming people making purchases from Bagwell's site(?). While Bagwell has seemingly cut ties with him, some are less than thrilled with his public apology/explanation video, in particular him not taking a stronger stand towards the LGBTQ community. Maybe someone with a firmer grasp on the subject could explain better, but that's what I've surmised from reading the thread.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 7, 2022 17:55:08 GMT -5
I've completely failed to comprehend what has happened here that makes this allegedly real bad. What did he do? He didn't run his own twitter? Had a bad supplier deal for merchandise e-commerce? I was expecting some kind of relaps or public misdemeanor or something. This is nothing. Unless I missed something. From what I have gathered, the person running his Twitter was both a registered sex offender and a conman who was scamming people making purchases from Bagwell's site(?). While Bagwell has seemingly cut ties with him, some are less than thrilled with his public apology/explanation video, in particular him not taking a stronger stand towards the LGBTQ community. Maybe someone with a firmer grasp on the subject could explain better, but that's what I've surmised from reading the thread. Thats pretty much what he said in the video. That he didn't know his criminal record. That he just became aware of the conman stuff. Yeah he was very brief and didn't take a strong on LGBTQ because he was still learning about it I guess.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 7, 2022 17:57:46 GMT -5
From what I have gathered, the person running his Twitter was both a registered sex offender and a conman who was scamming people making purchases from Bagwell's site(?). While Bagwell has seemingly cut ties with him, some are less than thrilled with his public apology/explanation video, in particular him not taking a stronger stand towards the LGBTQ community. Maybe someone with a firmer grasp on the subject could explain better, but that's what I've surmised from reading the thread. Thats pretty much what he said in the video. That he didn't know his criminal record. That he just became aware of the conman stuff. Yeah he was very brief and didn't take a strong on LGBTQ because he was still learning about it I guess. Just because I'm not totally clear on this situation either, what is the connection with the LGBTQ stuff? Was something inappropriate said by the old account runner? I'm just not totally clear on how bad Buff's part in all this actually is.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 7, 2022 18:41:21 GMT -5
Part of it was the Twitter account being really supportive of nonbinary wrestler Kidd Bandit and their journey coming out. And that was part of the scamming.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 7, 2022 18:42:15 GMT -5
Thats pretty much what he said in the video. That he didn't know his criminal record. That he just became aware of the conman stuff. Yeah he was very brief and didn't take a strong on LGBTQ because he was still learning about it I guess. Just because I'm not totally clear on this situation either, what is the connection with the LGBTQ stuff? Was something inappropriate said by the old account runner? I'm just not totally clear on how bad Buff's part in all this actually is. When "Buff" started interacting with fans on Twitter, he was very vocal about his support for the LGBTQ community, even putting out rainbow shirts with the slogan "Buff is for EVERYONE." When things started going south, people found videos from only a couple years ago spouting political opinions that generally don't have much overlap with LGBTQ support, so people are wondering how sincere the real Marcus Bagwell is about those sentiments.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 7, 2022 19:27:42 GMT -5
That’s a very well produced video so it makes me wonder if he’s still hanging with DDP.
That said, f*** him. Pathetic carny.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 7, 2022 21:42:16 GMT -5
Just because I'm not totally clear on this situation either, what is the connection with the LGBTQ stuff? Was something inappropriate said by the old account runner? I'm just not totally clear on how bad Buff's part in all this actually is. When "Buff" started interacting with fans on Twitter, he was very vocal about his support for the LGBTQ community, even putting out rainbow shirts with the slogan "Buff is for EVERYONE." When things started going south, people found videos from only a couple years ago spouting political opinions that generally don't have much overlap with LGBTQ support, so people are wondering how sincere the real Marcus Bagwell is about those sentiments. Yeesh. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, because of course I do. But um... yeah. Pretty damning. Then again, people CAN change. I just hope he has.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 7, 2022 22:32:56 GMT -5
I've completely failed to comprehend what has happened here that makes this allegedly real bad. What did he do? He didn't run his own twitter? Had a bad supplier deal for merchandise e-commerce? I was expecting some kind of relaps or public misdemeanor or something. This is nothing. Unless I missed something. Here's the story up to the YouTube video - Alright, I've been following this situation closely and here's what happened. The account @marcbuffbagwell *was*/*is* definitely Buff. He put up several videos in the first six months of this year confirming the account was his, many posted from different conventions/events he was at that day. The legitimacy of that isn't in question. Buff, the whole time, had someone named Michael Long hired as his social media manager - which isn't bad or sleazy or anything. Plenty of your favorites do this. Basically, this Michael fella would read Buff the tweets, Buff would respond and he'd type it or he'd make Twitter content that Buff approved. For the first three months of 2022, he was doing on camera digital signings and selling his memorabilia that his mother held on to until her death last year. Buff had seemingly turned his life around (including apologizing for video interviews at recent as 2021 when noted vile nutzoid Del Wilks was still alive and was Buff's sole source for news) and it really seemed genuine. In April he took a bunch of orders for top hats and bracelets that he never delivered on. He/Michael kept promising people their items were in the mail but they never arrived. Repeatedly. Late last week Buff announced on his Twitter he was severing ties with Michael/M Long Comedy. He said someone else was running the RebuildingBuff email that he was directing people toward for their unfulfilled orders. Michael repeatedly activated and deactivated his social media in the days since, leaving unsatisfied customers on "Read" and last night went on discord and said it was him sharing his opinions the whole time - something that seems dubious as it's also been discovered over the past weekend that he was a registered sex offender and known con-man. His final tweet today before his most recent deactivation was "another relationship ends with someone trending all thanks to me." Buff has been radio silent across all platforms.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 8, 2022 7:46:14 GMT -5
This might be unpopular for me to say but I think people are being too hard on Buff about this. Yeah it's a shame "Super LGBTQ Friendly" Buff may be an exaggeration of the truth if not a lie. But like... It's not like Buff himself ever said anything super homophobic or transphobic that means he needs to be pilloried, either. The way I see it all he's guilty of as of right now is making a hiring decision that turned out to be a bad call. Do I wish he'd be a bit clearer about what happened and his actual feelings? Sure, maybe but at the end of the day it isn't like he has a history of being a bigot either. So... I dunno, mulligan?
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Post by chazraps on Jul 8, 2022 11:57:25 GMT -5
This might be unpopular for me to say but I think people are being too hard on Buff about this. Yeah it's a shame "Super LGBTQ Friendly" Buff may be an exaggeration of the truth if not a lie. But like... It's not like Buff himself ever said anything super homophobic or transphobic that means he needs to be pilloried, either. The way I see it all he's guilty of as of right now is making a hiring decision that turned out to be a bad call. Do I wish he'd be a bit clearer about what happened and his actual feelings? Sure, maybe but at the end of the day it isn't like he has a history of being a bigot either. So... I dunno, mulligan? He owes a lot of people thousands of dollars, money obtained largely in part through rehabbing his image after repeatedly engaging with a marginalized community who he has since drastically changed his language on support for, making it look like exploitation. He's since personally shown no signs of follow-though to make it right for those hurt by his current language and those he owes money to. We'll see if his management and Buff himself makes it right in the coming days, but as it stands I don't see how you can consider the current criticisms of him in any way too hard.
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 8, 2022 12:03:49 GMT -5
I was able to listen to the video, it looks like a politician deflecting everything that really needs to be addressed. I see nothing about him on DDP's facebook or twitter, even good/rehab/DDPY related. I'm sure the scandal would not be something DDP would address but seems when he was with Hall and Jake we saw routine updates for all the good things, even some bad.
As I post on many threads, I am a Buff fan. How this goes, I may be changing it to "was" soon. The video shows to me he's coming off much like a Tammy in not being willing to address that anything could even be remotely his fault.
As much as I dislike so many fans being conned into thinking Iron Sheik actually types his twitter, to me Buff's twitter scandal is much worse. The Magen boys are just trying to be funny and get Sheik a little attention in his elder years, keep his gimmick going. But Marcus, he's not elderly. He's at an age where he must know how to do texting and social media. He just chose the easy way out in getting some schmuck to do it for him and it should bite him in the butt.
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Post by tafkaga on Jul 8, 2022 13:51:38 GMT -5
Buff just sounds really ignorant to me when he's talking about LGBTQ, like he probably doesn't even know what those letters mean. He's like the guy who says "I'm not racist. I have a friend who is black." Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't comprehend how he comes across, and probably wouldn't understand it even if it was explained to him.
I mean, I'm glad he's trying to get clean from his addictions, but he gives off vibes of the people who get "born again" to deal with their personal demons, but their "miraculous transformation" only helps them with the things they WANT to change and not with the things they NEED to change to actually become a better person in this world.
He's really excited about how everyone is rooting for Buff, but he's not quite as forthright in his support for the people supporting him. So, yeah I think it's a pretty terrible video and he should probably just avoid doing those in the future unless he can find someone who isn't dumb as a f***ing brick to write his speeches for him, and something tells me Buff wouldn't know the difference.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 9, 2022 20:46:31 GMT -5
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 9, 2022 20:59:52 GMT -5
Even social media managers find ways to go full carny.
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 9, 2022 22:41:48 GMT -5
I just realized this Michael Long has posted on I think Kult of Kayfabe a few times before about Marcus appearances. I remember someone making fun of the small crowd during the "American Males" theme song and Michael replying. And he would reply to a few posts there. He also posted a lot of pictures of Marcus or himself with other wrestlers.
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Post by DeeBee on Jul 10, 2022 11:51:06 GMT -5
Even social media managers find ways to go full carny. Sure, I definitely will go give money to this dude's definitely legit GoFundMe.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 10, 2022 13:04:44 GMT -5
idk some people just seem to lack critical thinking skills. Woke King Bagwell was so obviously fake that i can't feel bad for anyone getting scammed. Download a brain workout game imo
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 10, 2022 13:13:26 GMT -5
idk some people just seem to lack critical thinking skills. Woke King Bagwell was so obviously fake that i can't feel bad for anyone getting scammed. Download a brain workout game imo I should have known better. I spent 5 years working in a homeless resource field, trying to find people shelter, housing or tent cities if they desired and I saw people getting clean or "changing their ways" but once they are in housing they are back to their original lifestyle with the drugs and con work and it turned out their changes were all a lie. Not everyone but def. a number of them. We wanted to believe in Marcus especially because DDP was involved. I'm not going to go back and check every post but did DDP ever post personally that Marcus was with him? The first post in this thread doesn't have any quotes from Dallas about Marcus, just about Jake. SMH...
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