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Post by fortknox on Mar 12, 2022 18:59:03 GMT -5
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 12, 2022 19:00:32 GMT -5
I can see a bunch of people swapping out the overhead B2B for the side B2B.
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Post by ayumidah on Mar 12, 2022 19:17:57 GMT -5
Local news doesn't post about wrestling often, especially for injuries, but Big E got his own headline for it You know, it's dumb, but Big E is such an appropriate moniker that I just never thought about the fact that, no, that's not his actual name. I think it was Miro last night who tweeted Big E and called him Ettore and I had to stop and stare at it for a minute before going "oh yeah, that is his name" |
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Post by mattperiolat on Mar 12, 2022 20:13:12 GMT -5
f***ing miracle, man. And I dunno… I like to think E had a big angel looking out for him last night and watching over him still. |
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Post by kevin on Mar 13, 2022 0:25:01 GMT -5
Thank God Big E seems to be Allright. He has a long recovery ahead of him. I hope they do not make this part of Ridge's gimmick like they did with Owen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 0:37:10 GMT -5
Thank God Big E seems to be Allright. He has a long recovery ahead of him. I hope they do not make this part of Ridge's gimmick like they did with Owen. I'm fearing this. Same thing happened with Nia, same thing happens a lot when someone injures a babyface. It's horrible and I hope they'll have some couth and not go that route here. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 13, 2022 0:44:13 GMT -5
All it takes is half a second of miscommunication (like E jumping too early or Ridge lifting too early) or rotating too late, and shit can go so wrong. This is what I believe happened with Sabu and Chris Benoit (remember when accidentally dropping Sabu on his head was the worst thing he did?) That's still the worst "landing on the head" bump I've ever seen and I'm including Hayabusa and that guy who tried a double moonsault on that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 2:08:49 GMT -5
DDP is one of the few guys who could do this and it seem genuine, and not like a cash or attention grab. |
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Mar 13, 2022 9:06:52 GMT -5
I can see a bunch of people swapping out the overhead B2B for the side B2B. To be honest, the side version is safer and looks better than the overhead. But yeah, Ridge shouldn't be blamed, he should be put back in training and have his moveset looked over and altered if necessary. I too am dreading "Ridge going for the belly to belly!" "thats the move he injured Big E with!" And I hope Big E recovers well, he's a great talent. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 13, 2022 14:09:46 GMT -5
So apparently they did a house show match where 1), Xavier returned, and 2), Sheamus and Ridge bragged about injuring Big E, so that goes to show how tasteful WWE's going to be about it.
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Post by ayumidah on Mar 13, 2022 14:15:30 GMT -5
This is the company who used Eddie Guerrero's death as a storyline... more than once and we're surprised they're gonna use THIS as a storyline too.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Mar 13, 2022 15:08:13 GMT -5
I don't think they should have Ridge come out and be happy that he broke Big E's neck but I wouldn't be too upset if they did. For better or worse, wrestling is a weird business and these dudes have a different mindset than us. If Big E is ok with it then who am I to say no to that.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 13, 2022 15:16:41 GMT -5
I don't think they should have Ridge come out and be happy that he broke Big E's neck but I wouldn't be too upset if they did. For better or worse, wrestling is a weird business and these dudes have a different mindset than us. If Big E is ok with it then who am I to say no to that. Yeah some wrestlers would get mad if you didnt use it. They would say why waste that heat. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 15:59:06 GMT -5
So apparently they did a house show match where 1), Xavier returned, and 2), Sheamus and Ridge bragged about injuring Big E, so that goes to show how tasteful WWE's going to be about it. Even if Big E and New Day probably signed off on it, that shit's lame and it's an example of how WWE sucks at building babyfaces. Their idea of building a babyface is having them beat up a heel who gets heat and it's repetitive and just not creative. Like, I don't like bringing up AEW on this side of the forum but one thing I really love about how they build wrestlers is that it's all about the build first; alignment second. For example, babyface Hangman had those alcohol/Dark Order issues things and it was all used for character growth. It wasn't about him "beating down the heel and that being used to fire him up" and sure, he's done that against heels (like the Bryan storyline) but that was on top of a multitude of other ways in how they built Page up. You then have Darby Allin who was losing a lot during his first year but to build him up they had him do wild crazy stunts, they had him almost getting the wins, they had him showing heart and all of that was the catalyst; his alignment was second. They do this with heels too. WWE is different because their only idea is to build up a heel and usually it's done in a few ways. One way's insulting fans and the other way's doing bad stuff to babyfaces. If you want a babyface to be built up in WWE all they gotta do is go after a heel who's disliked. They're not as creative when it comes to building up a babyface and having them show major character growth, they just go for the low hanging fruit that we constantly see. It's just lazy and silly to me. That's that "oh hey look, John Wayne's headed to a new town to shoot this bandit" thing. It's the "oh Yugi's in a tight spot against this duelist oh wait he's about to call upon the Heart of the Cards and get a Monster Reborn that'll cause his opponent's downfall." |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 13, 2022 16:43:15 GMT -5
So apparently they did a house show match where 1), Xavier returned, and 2), Sheamus and Ridge bragged about injuring Big E, so that goes to show how tasteful WWE's going to be about it. Even if Big E and New Day probably signed off on it, that shit's lame and it's an example and how WWE sucks at building babyfaces. Their idea of building a babyface is having them beat up a heel who gets heat and it's repetitive and just not creative. Like, I don't like bringing up AEW on this side of the forum but one thing I really love how they build wrestlers is that it's all about the build first; alignment second. For example, babyface Hangman had that whole alcohol/Dark Order issues thing and it was all used for character growth. It wasn't about him "beating down the heel and that being used to fire him up" and sure, he's done that against heels (like the Bryan storyline) but that was on top of a multitude of ways in how they built Page up. You then have Darby Allin who was losing a lot during his first year but to build him up they had him do wild crazy stunts, they had him almost getting the win,s they had him showing heart and all of that was built upon him first; his alignment was second. They do this with heels too. WWE is different because their idea is to build up a heel and usually it's done in a few ways. One way's insulting fans and the other way's doing bad stuff to babyfaces. If you want a babyface to be built up in WWE all they gotta do is go after a heel who's disliked. They're not as creative when it comes to building up a babyface and having them show major character growth, they just go for the low hanging fruit that we constantly see. It's just lazy and silly to me. That's that "oh hey look, John Wayne's headed to a new town to shoot this bandit" thing. It's the "oh Yugi's in a tight spot against this duelist oh wait he's about to call upon the Heart of the Cards and get a Monster Reborn that'll cause his opponent's downfall." I was going to say something more condensed but you put it better than I could. It just cheapens everything because it all has to be an angle or a work and build to something even though, at this point in company history, they could fire Holland tomorrow for “budget cuts” and pretty much waste that whole story. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 13, 2022 16:50:16 GMT -5
Even if Big E and New Day probably signed off on it, that shit's lame and it's an example and how WWE sucks at building babyfaces. Their idea of building a babyface is having them beat up a heel who gets heat and it's repetitive and just not creative. Like, I don't like bringing up AEW on this side of the forum but one thing I really love how they build wrestlers is that it's all about the build first; alignment second. For example, babyface Hangman had that whole alcohol/Dark Order issues thing and it was all used for character growth. It wasn't about him "beating down the heel and that being used to fire him up" and sure, he's done that against heels (like the Bryan storyline) but that was on top of a multitude of ways in how they built Page up. You then have Darby Allin who was losing a lot during his first year but to build him up they had him do wild crazy stunts, they had him almost getting the win,s they had him showing heart and all of that was built upon him first; his alignment was second. They do this with heels too. WWE is different because their idea is to build up a heel and usually it's done in a few ways. One way's insulting fans and the other way's doing bad stuff to babyfaces. If you want a babyface to be built up in WWE all they gotta do is go after a heel who's disliked. They're not as creative when it comes to building up a babyface and having them show major character growth, they just go for the low hanging fruit that we constantly see. It's just lazy and silly to me. That's that "oh hey look, John Wayne's headed to a new town to shoot this bandit" thing. It's the "oh Yugi's in a tight spot against this duelist oh wait he's about to call upon the Heart of the Cards and get a Monster Reborn that'll cause his opponent's downfall." I was going to say something more condensed but you put it better than I could. It just cheapens everything because it all has to be an angle or a work and build to something even though, at this point in company history, they could fire Holland tomorrow for “budget cuts” and pretty much waste that whole story. The other point is... like Ridge talking about injuring Big E... shouldn't that be Big E's story? training for the comeback against the guy that gleefully put him out of action? That's... not going to happen any time soon... a kayfabe broken leg you can literally have him come back from whenever... but like an actual serious neck injury? that could be months... and if the New Day beat them... like ok? but Big E is still on the shelf indefinitely... |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Mar 13, 2022 17:15:11 GMT -5
So apparently they did a house show match where 1), Xavier returned, and 2), Sheamus and Ridge bragged about injuring Big E, so that goes to show how tasteful WWE's going to be about it. Owen 3:16 anyone? I guess to them, it's okay when they know he's going to be okay. |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Mar 13, 2022 17:15:53 GMT -5
I can see a bunch of people swapping out the overhead B2B for the side B2B. And hopes more fans now are understanding of it, unlike the fits pitched back in 2000 when the piledriver was banned. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 13, 2022 17:26:00 GMT -5
I was going to say something more condensed but you put it better than I could. It just cheapens everything because it all has to be an angle or a work and build to something even though, at this point in company history, they could fire Holland tomorrow for “budget cuts” and pretty much waste that whole story. The other point is... like Ridge talking about injuring Big E... shouldn't that be Big E's story? training for the comeback against the guy that gleefully put him out of action? That's... not going to happen any time soon... a kayfabe broken leg you can literally have him come back from whenever... but like an actual serious neck injury? that could be months... and if the New Day beat them... like ok? but Big E is still on the shelf indefinitely... And would they be doing this angle if Big E’s career was actually over or worse, he couldn’t walk again? Because it being the wrestling industry, there isn’t a 0% chance of that happening. |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Mar 13, 2022 17:34:41 GMT -5
The other point is... like Ridge talking about injuring Big E... shouldn't that be Big E's story? training for the comeback against the guy that gleefully put him out of action? That's... not going to happen any time soon... a kayfabe broken leg you can literally have him come back from whenever... but like an actual serious neck injury? that could be months... and if the New Day beat them... like ok? but Big E is still on the shelf indefinitely... And would they be doing this angle if Big E’s career was actually over or worse, he couldn’t walk again? Because it being the wrestling industry, there isn’t a 0% chance of that happening. Well no one did a storyline about Droz. |
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