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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 14, 2022 8:48:33 GMT -5
It's dropped off now that they're all at least semi-retired, but the Kliq as a whole spent decades on the receiving end of vastly more vitrolic smark rage than any murderer, rapist, or racist in pro wrestling for their egregious crimes of backstage politicking to win all the time and hog the main events for themselves. The Harris Twins roughing Shawn up backstage when they were going to leave the company. The heroic tale of two white supremacists beating up a guy who was a jerk. They might have been skinheads, but at least they didn't just forfeit the very prestigious WWF Tag Team Championship by throwing the belt out a car door. Fight the real enemy!
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 14, 2022 9:26:32 GMT -5
The Harris Twins roughing Shawn up backstage when they were going to leave the company. The heroic tale of two white supremacists beating up a guy who was a jerk. They might have been skinheads, but at least they didn't just forfeit the very prestigious WWF Tag Team Championship by throwing the belt out a car door. Fight the real enemy! What a pittance.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Apr 14, 2022 11:23:23 GMT -5
Goldberg seems to be one of the most despised guys in the IWC. There are people who've been accused of rape/abuse/racism who get nowhere near the hate he does.
He's a good dude who takes his wrestling character seriously and loves being a hero to kids. He's done an incredible amount of charity work for years. He's a happy family man with no personal scandals behind him. People hate him though because "he ended Bret Hart's career."
Bret wrestled for weeks after that superkick, including a hardcore match with Terry Funk involving chairshots and matches with Nash and Sid were he had to take powerbombs. Those accumulated blows are the ones which forced him to retire. If he took a few weeks off until he was cleared rather than kept going he'd probably have been back by the next PPV and who knows how many more years he could have continued to wrestle for. Blame the doctors who let him keep wrestling rather than benching him for a few weeks to recuperate. Wrestlers, athletes and even a lot of doctors didn't take concussions seriously 20+ years ago. It's incredibly shitty to hold that over Goldberg's head and constantly be so vitriolic towards him, especially because you just know it wouldn't be the case if it was a guy the IWC loved. Then it would just be "accidents happen." There are countless beloved wrestlers who've stiffed, concussed, crippled or dropped opponents on their heads.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Apr 14, 2022 14:13:07 GMT -5
Pretty sure that was a theme song joke. Yes, I am aware of that. But...I wonder if she kept those beliefs in check, mostly? From what I understand she retweeted a friend’s post without reading it first. I’ve done the same thing, and gotten some heat over it.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 14, 2022 14:14:34 GMT -5
Yes, I am aware of that. But...I wonder if she kept those beliefs in check, mostly? From what I understand she retweeted a friend’s post without reading it first. I’ve done the same thing, and gotten some heat over it. Aha. So then she did indeed fit this subject.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Apr 14, 2022 14:31:30 GMT -5
Goldberg seems to be one of the most despised guys in the IWC. There are people who've been accused of rape/abuse/racism who get nowhere near the hate he does. He's a good dude who takes his wrestling character seriously and loves being a hero to kids. He's done an incredible amount of charity work for years. He's a happy family man with no personal scandals behind him. People hate him though because "he ended Bret Hart's career." Bret wrestled for weeks after that superkick, including a hardcore match with Terry Funk involving chairshots and matches with Nash and Sid were he had to take powerbombs. Those accumulated blows are the ones which forced him to retire. If he took a few weeks off until he was cleared rather than kept going he'd probably have been back by the next PPV and who knows how many more years he could have continued to wrestle for. Blame the doctors who let him keep wrestling rather than benching him for a few weeks to recuperate. Wrestlers, athletes and even a lot of doctors didn't take concussions seriously 20+ years ago. It's incredibly shitty to hold that over Goldberg's head and constantly be so vitriolic towards him, especially because you just know it wouldn't be the case if it was a guy the IWC loved. Then it would just be "accidents happen." There are countless beloved wrestlers who've stiffed, concussed, crippled or dropped opponents on their heads. Agreed.
I met Goldberg shortly after his WWE comeback and he's a lovely guy. Total gentleman.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Apr 14, 2022 14:54:11 GMT -5
chavo jr, all because of one promo by kurt angle in tna.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 14, 2022 14:56:48 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar both is and isn't an answer to this.
He gets tons of shit because wrestling is solely business to him and he doesn't breath it and left to try other things, but the more I hear about the wrestling business (especially WWE), the more I'm convinced he's the smartest wrestler alive. He came back and now has Vince's balls in a permanent vice.
However, as a person there are some stories that don't paint him in the best light.
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Post by msc on Apr 14, 2022 15:05:20 GMT -5
I do however feel I should make it clear that Bill Watts the man is an absolute twat and deserves all of the negative perceptions of him and his attitudes. Oh feck, about 12 years ago I found a 5 hour interview with Bill Watts and started listening. I only knew of him as a booker Mick Foley (sound chap) liked, who pushed JYD, quit the WWE in a huff, and got fired from WCW for his racist interview which had a vast number of "it wasn't that bad" apologist in the 90s. (note - it really was that bad). An hour in, I gave up and my opinion of Watts had soured for life. He's properly mental, and not in a good way, and that's all I can say within the forum rules. Goldberg seems to be one of the most despised guys in the IWC. There are people who've been accused of rape/abuse/racism who get nowhere near the hate he does. He's a good dude who takes his wrestling character seriously and loves being a hero to kids. He's done an incredible amount of charity work for years. He's a happy family man with no personal scandals behind him. People hate him though because "he ended Bret Hart's career." Bret wrestled for weeks after that superkick, including a hardcore match with Terry Funk involving chairshots and matches with Nash and Sid were he had to take powerbombs. Those accumulated blows are the ones which forced him to retire. If he took a few weeks off until he was cleared rather than kept going he'd probably have been back by the next PPV and who knows how many more years he could have continued to wrestle for. Blame the doctors who let him keep wrestling rather than benching him for a few weeks to recuperate. Wrestlers, athletes and even a lot of doctors didn't take concussions seriously 20+ years ago. It's incredibly shitty to hold that over Goldberg's head and constantly be so vitriolic towards him, especially because you just know it wouldn't be the case if it was a guy the IWC loved. Then it would just be "accidents happen." There are countless beloved wrestlers who've stiffed, concussed, crippled or dropped opponents on their heads. I used to HATE Goldberg, because I never realised as a teen that all his WCW interviews were in Kayfabe. Even for Powerslam Magazine, so when he defended ending Bret Hart's career or wanting to kill Duane Gill, or so on, it was all character, not the real guy. I also blamed him for Bret's career ending, but as I grow older I realise that WCW should taken Bret off the road immediately, and Bret Hart, who I rate very highly as a wrestler and as a survivor in general, should have stopped listening to his inner toxic masculinity, paid attention to his many worrying symptoms and gone to a f***ing hospital at anytime in the 40 odd days before he did. NOTE - That Funk match is hard to watch. I saw it at the time, and never again. Funk was very gentle, he could clearly tell something was up, but Bret had no clue where he is, and he managed to injure himself falling over. Bret for the record says you can't blame green guys for accidents - it's not their fault they are pushed above their abilities.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Apr 14, 2022 15:37:24 GMT -5
I do however feel I should make it clear that Bill Watts the man is an absolute twat and deserves all of the negative perceptions of him and his attitudes. Oh feck, about 12 years ago I found a 5 hour interview with Bill Watts and started listening. I only knew of him as a booker Mick Foley (sound chap) liked, who pushed JYD, quit the WWE in a huff, and got fired from WCW for his racist interview which had a vast number of "it wasn't that bad" apologist in the 90s. (note - it really was that bad). An hour in, I gave up and my opinion of Watts had soured for life. He's properly mental, and not in a good way, and that's all I can say within the forum rules. Right? The original interview is known for the restaurant comment, and I think people overlook all the other incredibly ignorant, racist shit he says in it. Then there's the ROH shoot where he talks about basically being a social Darwinist, and just...f***ing hell.
So it's unfortunate that I think Beach Blast 92 is quite a good show.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 14, 2022 16:53:05 GMT -5
Oh, here's a weirder one: Duke "The Dumpster" Droese. The story's been going around for decades of JBL supposedly assaulting and threatening to sodomize a wrestler who'd bragged about daterapeing girls, usually cited as a good thing that shows why JBL became a locker room leader. The name of the wrestler attached to the story as JBL's victim varies. For some reason, the festering depths of the internet seemed to attribute it to Droese a fair amount, probably because he's a safe name to disparage since he mostly disappeared from high-profile wrestling gigs after '96. The timeline for this would be curious; Droese left WWF a few months after Bradshaw debuted, which would mean JBL got the clout to be policing the locker room for scumbags awfully early into his run.
Whether or not any part of the story's true, no one but random people online have ever linked it to Droese, but because there's so little else to say about the Dumpster, there's still the occasional "hey wasn't he the guy who drugged women" comment here and there when his name comes up. I haven't seen it in a while, in part because we've thankfully moved on from acting like old school wrasslin's "locker room leaders" were a good thing, in part because after Brian Christopher died he became the safe name to attach the story to, but I still feel bad for Droese that a bizarre wrestling urban legend from years after his run is the closest thing he has to a legacy in the business.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 14, 2022 17:30:40 GMT -5
Goldberg seems to be one of the most despised guys in the IWC. There are people who've been accused of rape/abuse/racism who get nowhere near the hate he does. He's a good dude who takes his wrestling character seriously and loves being a hero to kids. He's done an incredible amount of charity work for years. He's a happy family man with no personal scandals behind him. People hate him though because "he ended Bret Hart's career." Bret wrestled for weeks after that superkick, including a hardcore match with Terry Funk involving chairshots and matches with Nash and Sid were he had to take powerbombs. Those accumulated blows are the ones which forced him to retire. If he took a few weeks off until he was cleared rather than kept going he'd probably have been back by the next PPV and who knows how many more years he could have continued to wrestle for. Blame the doctors who let him keep wrestling rather than benching him for a few weeks to recuperate. Wrestlers, athletes and even a lot of doctors didn't take concussions seriously 20+ years ago. It's incredibly shitty to hold that over Goldberg's head and constantly be so vitriolic towards him, especially because you just know it wouldn't be the case if it was a guy the IWC loved. Then it would just be "accidents happen." There are countless beloved wrestlers who've stiffed, concussed, crippled or dropped opponents on their heads. I really appreciate this post. So many wrestlers who are legit criminals or hurt people on purpose seem to get less heat from the IWC than guys who politicked or hurt someone by accident
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Post by ChitownKnight on Apr 14, 2022 17:56:45 GMT -5
Jericho Forsure.
He might be a bit egotistical, Douchey and air headed sometimes but I think the guy has a good heart. He’s always willing to put people over and donate to some of the right causes
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 14, 2022 19:18:55 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the other thread, CM Punk. Dude just didn't like signing autographs or being pestered in public and some people on here decided it made him one of the worst people in the entire history of the business.
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 14, 2022 19:32:15 GMT -5
This is more by wrestlers than fans, but it's astounding how much crap Marc Mero received for the unforgivable crime of getting a highly lucrative contract from the WWF in 1996. I mean Mick Foley, a guy who typically seems nice and likable, comes off as a petty a**hole in his first book with his bitterness at Mero being paid more than him, even though that's entirely on Vince and talent relations. Even if he was the most untalented signing in the company's history (which obviously he wasn't) unless he's being an arrogant dick about it, the ire should be reserved for the company more than him.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Apr 14, 2022 20:23:54 GMT -5
Jesse The Body Ventura he just tells it like it is
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Apr 14, 2022 20:41:15 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the other thread, CM Punk. Dude just didn't like signing autographs or being pestered in public and some people on here decided it made him one of the worst people in the entire history of the business. I don’t think he’s one of the worst people in the history of the business. I just think he’s a dick.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 14, 2022 22:35:11 GMT -5
Except for Hall murdering a guy… It was self defense though... Hall said it was and the charges were dropped because of lack of evidence of outright murder.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 14, 2022 22:51:00 GMT -5
Big Cass was going through an illness when he was acting at his worse and Enzo will always have maturity problems but appears to have stayed out of trouble for a while now unless I've missed something, probably fitting that the CYN crew are probably going to replace them as the Jannettyesque washed up ex WWE guys in most peoples minds. And Enzo I'd definitely say. First he was found innocent, let's get that out of the way. No he wasn't. The prosecution ran out of money. That's by no means being found "innocent."
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Post by chazraps on Apr 14, 2022 22:52:07 GMT -5
Yes, I am aware of that. But...I wonder if she kept those beliefs in check, mostly? From what I understand she retweeted a friend’s post without reading it first. I’ve done the same thing, and gotten some heat over it. Over something as serious as Sandy Hook where several children were murdered?
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