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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 16, 2022 8:05:42 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar when it comes to being a part-timer or not caring. He's in a position where his name has value, he's getting what he's worth. Should he take a lower contract and work 300 days a year, just to please fans? If anything, him only working 10-12 matches a year, keeps him fresh and gives his matches a big fight PPV feel. If other wrestlers are willing to work a full-time schedule for a fraction of the money that Lesnar makes, that's their problem. Putting aside his laziness, most of the backlash his schedule gets isn't anything to do with him, though? It's about the company putting the belt on him and then letting him frolic off in a field somewhere while the show is left without a top champion. Dude once went three months without showing up as world champion. That's dumb. Not Brock's call, but I don't think Brock caught most of the heat for that call, either.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 16, 2022 8:14:00 GMT -5
I didn't think Seth Rollins deserved his reputation of being a shitty person a few years ago when he said some dumb stuff on Twitter. I do think it was pretty crappy when he retweeted a Sasha picture where she has a frowny face with a fan and Seth posted that is the same face he gives when approached for photos with fans (in free situations like airport). Years ago, pre fame I saw a photo with a fan where he was smiling but once he made it big any photo you see, for free, he's got that sad face. I get the fame gets to you but to me it's so disrespectful.
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Post by jp49er80 on Apr 16, 2022 8:17:55 GMT -5
Honestly, Punk.
I get why people went there but he seems a different person now he's happy with what he's doing.
I think a lot of people judge on the Cabana lawsuit, which, let's be honest, none of us know the truth behind.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 16, 2022 8:47:49 GMT -5
Honestly, Punk. I get why people went there but he seems a different person now he's happy with what he's doing. I think a lot of people judge on the Cabana lawsuit, which, let's be honest, none of us know the truth behind. Again I think a lot comes from fan interaction stories, as I alluded to a couple posts above.
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Post by 67 more on Apr 17, 2022 3:26:55 GMT -5
Another pick for me: Velveteen Dream. One of the best characters in years but had his career ruined by a series of tweets that were proven to be framed to make him look extremely predatory. It doesn't help that the guy who did it was part of a racist online group. The "What school do you go to?" question? I believe he was asking what wrestling school he was training at. But I'll say this... Dream shouldn't have been communicating with underage fans. Regardless of his intentions. It was always gonna look dodgy and bad. Whether or not the guy is even gay? Who the f*** knows. As far as I'm aware, I don't think the guy has any interest in men? Which would indicate further that he wouldn't be preying on 16/17 year old boys. I'm begging you to do more research, Negan. Not just on Dream but on how sexual abuse and grooming actually works. It has next to nothing to do with your sexuality, and the association if paederasty and queerness has been doing damage to LGBT+ people throughout human history I'm fortunate that I'm able to give this 67 likes, not everyone is so lucky. The amount of married, straight people in positions of power that have been able to inflict abuse and hide behind "He couldn't have possibly done this, he's a happily married man, surely the boy is lying." The erroneous association between homosexuality and paedophilia has been such a well-utilised smokescreen for abusers, we really need to drop that train of thought. So much of sexual abuse is from the thrill of power exploitation rather than any sort of attraction to the victim.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 17, 2022 7:47:57 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar when it comes to being a part-timer or not caring. He's in a position where his name has value, he's getting what he's worth. Should he take a lower contract and work 300 days a year, just to please fans? If anything, him only working 10-12 matches a year, keeps him fresh and gives his matches a big fight PPV feel. If other wrestlers are willing to work a full-time schedule for a fraction of the money that Lesnar makes, that's their problem. Putting aside his laziness, most of the backlash his schedule gets isn't anything to do with him, though? It's about the company putting the belt on him and then letting him frolic off in a field somewhere while the show is left without a top champion. Dude once went three months without showing up as world champion. That's dumb. Not Brock's call, but I don't think Brock caught most of the heat for that call, either. you just caused me to imagine Brock frolicking in a field and that image is now going to live rent free in my brain forever
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 17, 2022 8:05:00 GMT -5
I didn't think Seth Rollins deserved his reputation of being a shitty person a few years ago when he said some dumb stuff on Twitter. I think Seth did demonstrate a lot of immaturity at points, like shitting on Miz's wrestling skills in an interview for basically no actual reason, managing to lose a twitter argument to Will Ospreay and retreating to "uhhh, I make more money, take that!", and getting outed for treating female fans as basically groupies. Maybe it was insecurity, or maybe poor impulse control, but it was a lot of relatively small stuff that painted a poor picture of the guy. I will give him that he does seem to have done a lot of maturing. Some of that's probably on Becky and becoming a dad, and some of it maybe teaching wrestlers like Ben Carter and maybe coming to terms with not being some hungry kid trying to make it wrestling anymore, but I feel like it's not an accident that it's been a long time since we've got an asinine, "they're taking the food off my table!"-kind of statement. Dude at some juncture learned to think before talking, and his reputation has steadily improved ever since.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 17, 2022 21:26:10 GMT -5
Oh, here's a weirder one: Duke "The Dumpster" Droese. The story's been going around for decades of JBL supposedly assaulting and threatening to sodomize a wrestler who'd bragged about daterapeing girls, usually cited as a good thing that shows why JBL became a locker room leader. The name of the wrestler attached to the story as JBL's victim varies. For some reason, the festering depths of the internet seemed to attribute it to Droese a fair amount, probably because he's a safe name to disparage since he mostly disappeared from high-profile wrestling gigs after '96. The timeline for this would be curious; Droese left WWF a few months after Bradshaw debuted, which would mean JBL got the clout to be policing the locker room for scumbags awfully early into his run. Whether or not any part of the story's true, no one but random people online have ever linked it to Droese, but because there's so little else to say about the Dumpster, there's still the occasional "hey wasn't he the guy who drugged women" comment here and there when his name comes up. I haven't seen it in a while, in part because we've thankfully moved on from acting like old school wrasslin's "locker room leaders" were a good thing, in part because after Brian Christopher died he became the safe name to attach the story to, but I still feel bad for Droese that a bizarre wrestling urban legend from years after his run is the closest thing he has to a legacy in the business. Brian Christopher's name has been attached to that story a long long time before he passed. Pretty much since the story hit the DVDVR Sleaze thread it was "known" the person in the shower was Grandmasta Sexy.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 17, 2022 22:53:43 GMT -5
Oh, here's a weirder one: Duke "The Dumpster" Droese. The story's been going around for decades of JBL supposedly assaulting and threatening to sodomize a wrestler who'd bragged about daterapeing girls, usually cited as a good thing that shows why JBL became a locker room leader. The name of the wrestler attached to the story as JBL's victim varies. For some reason, the festering depths of the internet seemed to attribute it to Droese a fair amount, probably because he's a safe name to disparage since he mostly disappeared from high-profile wrestling gigs after '96. The timeline for this would be curious; Droese left WWF a few months after Bradshaw debuted, which would mean JBL got the clout to be policing the locker room for scumbags awfully early into his run. Whether or not any part of the story's true, no one but random people online have ever linked it to Droese, but because there's so little else to say about the Dumpster, there's still the occasional "hey wasn't he the guy who drugged women" comment here and there when his name comes up. I haven't seen it in a while, in part because we've thankfully moved on from acting like old school wrasslin's "locker room leaders" were a good thing, in part because after Brian Christopher died he became the safe name to attach the story to, but I still feel bad for Droese that a bizarre wrestling urban legend from years after his run is the closest thing he has to a legacy in the business. Brian Christopher's name has been attached to that story a long long time before he passed. Pretty much since the story hit the DVDVR Sleaze thread it was "known" the person in the shower was Grandmasta Sexy. When I hear that story the victim is usually Don Callis. The telephone game that is wrestling haha
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Post by Blade on Apr 19, 2022 23:19:05 GMT -5
I didn't think Seth Rollins deserved his reputation of being a shitty person a few years ago when he said some dumb stuff on Twitter. I do think it was pretty crappy when he retweeted a Sasha picture where she has a frowny face with a fan and Seth posted that is the same face he gives when approached for photos with fans (in free situations like airport). Years ago, pre fame I saw a photo with a fan where he was smiling but once he made it big any photo you see, for free, he's got that sad face. I get the fame gets to you but to me it's so disrespectful. Bluntly, I think if you approach a wrestler in public you should be grateful if they give you anything, and expecting them to look thrilled to pose for a photo with you in an airport for free is the height of entitlement. They're not on the job and not obliged to give you anything just because they're famous or because you bought tickets to an event. Unless they've made it clear they welcome that, fans should leave them alone.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 19, 2022 23:28:52 GMT -5
I do think it was pretty crappy when he retweeted a Sasha picture where she has a frowny face with a fan and Seth posted that is the same face he gives when approached for photos with fans (in free situations like airport). Years ago, pre fame I saw a photo with a fan where he was smiling but once he made it big any photo you see, for free, he's got that sad face. I get the fame gets to you but to me it's so disrespectful. Bluntly, I think if you approach a wrestler in public you should be grateful if they give you anything, and expecting them to look thrilled to pose for a photo with you in an airport for free is the height of entitlement. They're not on the job and not obliged to give you anything just because they're famous or because you bought tickets to an event. Unless they've made it clear they welcome that, fans should leave them alone. I don't disagree, fans should be happy but it's the people like Seth and Sasha that take to social media to embarrass the fans rather than just turn them down, who are disrespectful. There's a guy named Alan Barcoff who spent most of his young adult life getting photos with WWF wrestlers in the 1980s, guys like Rick Rude and Iron Sheik and lots of the biggest "bad guy" names and even those guys took nice pictures with him. But these newer folks have such an "entitlement" about them now. I don't think it's right that fans can get into the airport for autographs and photos, I would think there's post 9/11 regs about that but I guess not but to post on twitter or IG or wherever that you purposely take a "frowny" face photo for those fans and you post the actual picture is disrespectful. Sasha did that and Seth followed up with him saying the face Sasha give is his free photo op face. When he was a desperate rookie hoping to make it in WWE he was all smiles. But he's gotten too big and can frown all he wants. You rarely hear about the old school wrestlers acting like this in free situations. Mostly just Andre when he was alive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 0:16:19 GMT -5
Seth, Punk and even Tony Khan I lump together in that a wee bit of arrested development gives them a small adult adolescence that is frequently mistaken for malice. Pretty sure irl all three would be cool guys to hang out with in very small doses.
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Post by sungod2020 on Apr 20, 2022 7:34:20 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior He had a rough childhood, made something of himself. Was going to become I believe a chiropractor and did bodybuilding...got into wrestling just to make some $ on the side. Created a legendary character, has absolutely no background, knowledge, or understanding of the world of wrestling (or athletics) but manages to carve out a place for himself. Ends up in the WWF, His look, energy, and character resonate with the fans so they push him to the moon. Everyone around him is jealous and spiteful towards him because this guy who never had any desire to be involved in wrestling is now more over than they will ever be He never had any reverence or love of the business simply because he saw how destructive and dangerous it was. He hated the traveling, he hated how it ruined lives and how cutthroat it was. He just wanted to get his while he could (big main event $) be wise with it...and get out of and do what he wanted to do. Of course he could be a jerk, a huge jerk, and a hypocrite. But he also knew exactly what he wanted to get out of his run, his character....he did that, and he lived the life he wanted with his wife and kids. He never stopped trying to better himself. He was a flawed man but never even close to the irrational asshole nutcase he was slandered as by many. He knew himself that the business wasnt for him even at the height of his popularity, and I think he tried to do what was necessary so that he wouldnt have to end up like Flair. Be smart with your money, be there for your wife and children I agree with most of your writeup but telling someone "queering doesn't make the world work" and that line of really weird and questionable Warrior comics does make him an irrational asshole Not saying the guy wasn't an irrational asshole who denounced homosexuality and leaned so far to the right it bordered on authoritarianism, but wasn't there a time Warrior was shit on more for voicing his opinion, than Benoit was for murdering his wife and son? I never knew knowing so many fake moves triumphs over everything else.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 20, 2022 7:57:09 GMT -5
I agree with most of your writeup but telling someone "queering doesn't make the world work" and that line of really weird and questionable Warrior comics does make him an irrational asshole Not saying the guy wasn't an irrational asshole who denounced homosexuality and leaned so far to the right it bordered on authoritarianism, but wasn't there a time Warrior was shit on more for voicing his opinion, than Benoit was for murdering his wife and son? I never knew knowing so many fake moves triumphs over everything else. One, homophobia isn't an opinion. Two, was there? Like was there actually a period where people said 'no the guy who murdered his family was kind of a dick but f*** this guy more'? I'm sure you could run into a guy who thought that. There's always a guy. Wrestling is chock full of that guy who will say the most melted thing. But this is all news to me as a thing that happened on any scale.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 20, 2022 8:00:23 GMT -5
Not saying the guy wasn't an irrational asshole who denounced homosexuality and leaned so far to the right it bordered on authoritarianism, but wasn't there a time Warrior was shit on more for voicing his opinion, than Benoit was for murdering his wife and son? I never knew knowing so many fake moves triumphs over everything else. One, homophobia isn't an opinion. Two, was there? Like was there actually a period where people said 'no the guy who murdered his family was kind of a dick but f*** this guy more'? I'm sure you could run into a guy who thought that. There's always a guy. Wrestling is chock full of that guy who will say the most melted thing. But this is all news to me as a thing that happened on any scale. Yeah, I've never seen this. Closest I can possibly think is that people just didn't want to talk about Benoit, so he didn't come up, whereas Warrior would occasionally get a new wave of hate because of something he said or did. Never seen any direct comparisons between them.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 20, 2022 8:29:14 GMT -5
I agree with most of your writeup but telling someone "queering doesn't make the world work" and that line of really weird and questionable Warrior comics does make him an irrational asshole Not saying the guy wasn't an irrational asshole who denounced homosexuality and leaned so far to the right it bordered on authoritarianism, but wasn't there a time Warrior was shit on more for voicing his opinion, than Benoit was for murdering his wife and son? I never knew knowing so many fake moves triumphs over everything else. Haven't seen that from my experience I usually have seen Benoit stans though, which blames all CTE and absolves his history of abuse and horrible hazing.
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Post by sungod2020 on Apr 20, 2022 9:56:54 GMT -5
Not saying the guy wasn't an irrational asshole who denounced homosexuality and leaned so far to the right it bordered on authoritarianism, but wasn't there a time Warrior was shit on more for voicing his opinion, than Benoit was for murdering his wife and son? I never knew knowing so many fake moves triumphs over everything else. One, homophobia isn't an opinion. Two, was there? Like was there actually a period where people said 'no the guy who murdered his family was kind of a dick but f*** this guy more'? I'm sure you could run into a guy who thought that. There's always a guy. Wrestling is chock full of that guy who will say the most melted thing. But this is all news to me as a thing that happened on any scale. According to Warrior, he thought homosexuality wasn't as legitimate as hetereosexuality(his words). According to webster's dictionary, a fact is something that can be proven or disproven. Since it can't be proven that one is more legitimate than the other, Warrior's homophobic views are all his opinion. I can't say for sure if I've seen someone in the IWC compare Benoit to Warrior, but in general the hate is more geared towards Warrior, not just because he "didn't have the workratez," but also because of his racist and homophobic views, whereas with Benoit, many choose to separate the character from the performer. I guarantee if that was Warrior(or any non in-ring technician) who killed his wife and kids, that would just be another excuse to bash him. I'm not saying this applies to any one smark, but IME it's enough to take notice.
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Post by sungod2020 on Apr 20, 2022 10:01:46 GMT -5
Not saying the guy wasn't an irrational asshole who denounced homosexuality and leaned so far to the right it bordered on authoritarianism, but wasn't there a time Warrior was shit on more for voicing his opinion, than Benoit was for murdering his wife and son? I never knew knowing so many fake moves triumphs over everything else. Haven't seen that from my experience I usually have seen Benoit stans though, which blames all CTE and absolves his history of abuse and horrible hazing. That's exactly what I mean. When it comes to Benoit, it's usually his mushed up brain that is to blame rather than him simply being an asshole who snapped. I even seen one smark say Benoit was as much of a victim as Nancy and Daniel were. I mean, the guy was inspired by The Dynamite Kid, so it would make sense to share some of his traits.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 20, 2022 10:04:59 GMT -5
Sasha Banks. Any of the accusations about her (ego, immaturity) is stuff men have been doing unpunished in wrestling for decades.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 20, 2022 10:06:22 GMT -5
For the 80 year old alzheimer's patient talk, how many dementia/alzheimer's patients kill people? Please don't give me the Verne Gagne thing. That was most likely his brain thinking it was a wrestling match. Ill patients with dementia don't kill people on a regular basis. It is a work rate thing, just like why people blame Lex for Elizabeth's death but Macho's controlling ways of her, which drove her away from the marriage is rarely mentioned. Because of workrate. Macho entertained people. He loves wrestling and put in his all in wrestling. Lex was a guy with a great body who looked like a star but he didn't live, eat, sleep, drink wrestling and was just in it for the money so people crap on him. Even though he's spent many of his last few years trying to be a better person.
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