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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 14:19:12 GMT -5
Well that's good, because I wasn't trying to help anything either way. Maybe you should read the room and stop posting stuff to antagonize people Or maybe everyone could chill the f*** out and remember that we're talking about adults play fighting in tights on what is supposed to be the "fun" wrestling forum. And if that's your definition of antagonism, real life must be very hard for you.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Apr 18, 2022 14:25:41 GMT -5
First and last warning. Read the first pinned thread at the top of the AEW forum.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 18, 2022 16:16:35 GMT -5
Maybe you should read the room and stop posting stuff to antagonize people Or maybe everyone could chill the f*** out and remember that we're talking about adults play fighting in tights on what is supposed to be the "fun" wrestling forum. And if that's your definition of antagonism, real life must be very hard for you. Mate you literally posted something that has nothing to do with the conversation except to derail it, can you not see how thats antagonistic? And that last part isn't necessary either, you're pretty much showing my arguement
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 16:22:18 GMT -5
Or maybe everyone could chill the f*** out and remember that we're talking about adults play fighting in tights on what is supposed to be the "fun" wrestling forum. And if that's your definition of antagonism, real life must be very hard for you. Mate you literally posted something that has nothing to do with the conversation except to derail it, can you not see how thats antagonistic? And that last part isn't necessary either, you're pretty much showing my arguement Dude, we are done. I sincerely apologize if people took personal offense to anything I said.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 18, 2022 16:23:38 GMT -5
Mate you literally posted something that has nothing to do with the conversation except to derail it, can you not see how thats antagonistic? And that last part isn't necessary either, you're pretty much showing my arguement Dude, we are done. I sincerely apologize if people took personal offense to anything I said. Fair enough
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Post by khali on Apr 18, 2022 23:22:39 GMT -5
I do think he’s right about Danhausen. Yes, all the info you need to know is online. But I shouldn’t need to look it up. You don’t need to say everything. Just say . . . something. I’m sure there’s people who watch the show who have no idea about who he is because they haven’t said anything.
Alvarez had a similar complaint about WWE and The Bump. They would always say something was announced on The Bump, and he made a point to note they never said where it was or how to watch it.
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Post by Blade on Apr 19, 2022 7:58:33 GMT -5
I will never understand why Tony just didn't let Danhausen do the things on tv that were literally why you were hiring him. Five minutes a show to mess around with lowcard heels, the Dark Order, etc, boom, everyone knows why he's there and he's over like rover.
That being said, I have no idea why anyone would hate the cake segment. "Joke's on you, I love cake and violence" by itself would make an otherwise awful segment top 10 of the year so far. And it wasn't awful. Cake isn't Malakai's black mist, it's not gonna blind you for more than a moment, and Nyla needed the heat way more than Rosa did. And it wrote Vickie out. Win-win-win.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 19, 2022 8:33:03 GMT -5
I will never understand why Tony just didn't let Danhausen do the things on tv that were literally why you were hiring him. Five minutes a show to mess around with lowcard heels, the Dark Order, etc, boom, everyone knows why he's there and he's over like rover. That being said, I have no idea why anyone would hate the cake segment. "Joke's on you, I love cake and violence" by itself would make an otherwise awful segment top 10 of the year so far. And it wasn't awful. Cake isn't Malakai's black mist, it's not gonna blind you for more than a moment, and Nyla needed the heat way more than Rosa did. And it wrote Vickie out. Win-win-win. CRIMINAL that there isn't a cake and violence t-shirt yet
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 19, 2022 8:34:15 GMT -5
I don't really get the issue with Danhausen. Like could a video package help? Maybe, but I don't recall them doing that with Orange and it worked out. It seems like a non-issue to me.
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Post by champchumpchange on Apr 19, 2022 8:47:57 GMT -5
I don't really get the issue with Danhausen. Like could a video package help? Maybe, but I don't recall them doing that with Orange and it worked out. It seems like a non-issue to me. Orange's gimmick is that he doesn't give a shit, right? That he's borderline lazy unless you get him heated up. You don't have to explain that, because body language is enough to convey the entirety of his schtick. What the in the blue moon is Danhausen's deal? I think he's right in his take, personally. The dude got massively over, on his own, doing his thing. Why hasn't he been allowed to do that on AEW yet?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 8:48:42 GMT -5
I don't really get the issue with Danhausen. Like could a video package help? Maybe, but I don't recall them doing that with Orange and it worked out. It seems like a non-issue to me. Orange Cassidy is easier to understand from a casual standpoint. He's Fonzie, he's that laidback cool lazy dude who can do dope stuff if he tries. I've seen his clips posted on non-wrestling areas and seen people get it because of how easy it is to translate. He's the definition of that "cool glasses" meme. Danhausen is different. He's not as easily understood compared to Cassidy. Better yet it's wrestling fans. I've seen some people who say they get Danhausen have an issue understanding basic storylines, from WWE even. It varies from person to person but from a general audience perspective it's just easier to understand Orange Cassidy since people in a similar vein, or rather people in his lane, do exist.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Apr 19, 2022 9:21:58 GMT -5
I don't really get the issue with Danhausen. Like could a video package help? Maybe, but I don't recall them doing that with Orange and it worked out. It seems like a non-issue to me. Orange's gimmick is that he doesn't give a shit, right? That he's borderline lazy unless you get him heated up. You don't have to explain that, because body language is enough to convey the entirety of his schtick. What the in the blue moon is Danhausen's deal? I think he's right in his take, personally. The dude got massively over, on his own, doing his thing. Why hasn't he been allowed to do that on AEW yet? Mhm. OC was presented and showcased well, too. To the point they took their time building up the character before matches. Danhausen’s shtick is if “a space demon possessed Conan O’Brian” right? And I wonder if that’s a reason why it’s kept ambiguous. Because Tony doesn’t wanna tread into supernatural goofy stuff similarly to Broken Matt. But if that’s the case, again, why bring him in? Haha. Regardless it’s just good presentation to present or build up your characters.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 19, 2022 9:36:34 GMT -5
I'm always torn on how wrestlers that are new to a company, but have a backstory, should be presented. If you're watching an episodic TV show and a new character appears, they don't spend several minutes filling you in on their background but instead, slowly reveal it as the weeks progress. People are willing to go with the flow in those circumstances, but not with wrestling. But wrestling isn't a TV drama, so maybe the promos and explanations upfront are needed.
I think it's a case-by-case thing, really. Danhausen can't wrestle or get heavily involved in angles yet, so just drip-feeding his gimmick is fine, IMO. His gimmick kinda defies explanation anyway, and is best understood by seeing.
If we get heavily into some Elite/Bullet Club melodrama when Kenny comes back and it leans into what happened in NJPW, then that should probably be explained in more depth. Although, there's still no need to explain every little wrinkle. It's fine to leave little bits as Easter eggs for those that know, as long as the overall story is understandable to all. The MCU etc has been doing that for years quite successfully.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Apr 19, 2022 9:51:13 GMT -5
Just an aside, I believe that there are two issues. One, fandom's most toxic voices tend to be amplified these days. This goes for sports, entertainment, politics; whatever; so too often the arguments are overloaded by the worst of the worst. Secondly, with pro wrestling, there are just a ton of bad actors who live off trolling, so you have a section of fans who take any criticism as part of that, and react; and it often prevents having conversations.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 10:11:39 GMT -5
I find discussing AEW to be tiring on this board. I just find it gets too personal. I like discussing the differences and little things that could be done better or changed but people take it as personal attacks. I've really cut back on the amount I post on this board as a whole since AEW started. Maybe it's just me being at a different point in my life but I don't think I should have to wade through shit like being told I don't matter or that people don't care about how I feel in order to get my opinion out. This used to be the wrestlecrap forums where we made fun of the silly art of wrestling and it just seems like there are AEW fans who are incapable of laughing at it. There are also a lot of whataboutisms that get thrown around in comparisons to WWE where it just doesn't really have a place in the conversation I'm trying to have. Saying AEW does it better than a show I barely watch doesn't make me feel better about something I dislike and instead of discussing the point it becomes another tiresome WWE vs AEW conversation and taking the energy to steer the conversation back to what I wanted to discuss is just more energy than I'm willing to expend these days for a conversation. I think ultimately it just feels like people are trying to "win" a conversation rather than have one a lot of the time.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 19, 2022 10:23:02 GMT -5
Just an aside, I believe that there are two issues. One, fandom's most toxic voices tend to be amplified these days. This goes for sports, entertainment, politics; whatever; so too often the arguments are overloaded by the worst of the worst. Secondly, with pro wrestling, there are just a ton of bad actors who live off trolling, so you have a section of fans who take any criticism as part of that, and react; and it often prevents having conversations. That's pretty fair, I think there's a lot of good discussion and valid criticisms that have good discussion. There are times I see people post and it's always negative (and this is on the WWE board as well) that makes me think if this makes you so negative, why spend energy on it? But that's just me. Now at the same time people do try to white knight for aew a bit much so that does need to be tuned down
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 10:39:38 GMT -5
Honestly, FAN is still one of the two best places to discuss wrestling on the Internet. The issues here are nothing compared to the dregs of Reddit or *shudder* Facebook.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Apr 19, 2022 12:28:25 GMT -5
I'm someone who keeps up with AEW and likes some of the stuff but does have criticisms especially when it comes to women and diversity. I am also an unabashedly a fan of WWE. So I don't talk about it on this board because I've just seen critiques get called a lot of guys trolls and whatnot, even though they have a valid critique. So I just read a lot and stick to the WWE section.
I do think it's interesting how certain things are just cool. In the WWE boards, you have guys who just constantly shit on the product and it's just what it is. Nobody calls them out as a troll or whatever. But you do have certain people, who will post criticisms on this board and immediately are called bad faith posters. Maybe they are. Maybe they're not. But there is a definite reaction that is very different in how that critique towards the product is addressed on both boards.
I don't think that's a controversial thing to say.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 19, 2022 12:30:14 GMT -5
I'm always torn on how wrestlers that are new to a company, but have a backstory, should be presented. If you're watching an episodic TV show and a new character appears, they don't spend several minutes filling you in on their background but instead, slowly reveal it as the weeks progress. People are willing to go with the flow in those circumstances, but not with wrestling. But wrestling isn't a TV drama, so maybe the promos and explanations upfront are needed. I think it's a case-by-case thing, really. Danhausen can't wrestle or get heavily involved in angles yet, so just drip-feeding his gimmick is fine, IMO. His gimmick kinda defies explanation anyway, and is best understood by seeing. If we get heavily into some Elite/Bullet Club melodrama when Kenny comes back and it leans into what happened in NJPW, then that should probably be explained in more depth. Although, there's still no need to explain every little wrinkle. It's fine to leave little bits as Easter eggs for those that know, as long as the overall story is understandable to all. The MCU etc has been doing that for years quite successfully. With wrestling though, all characters need to be understandable to where someone shouldn't need to hear a detailed backstory and have their motivations spelled out. Because it doesn't operate in seasons like a TV show, it's a weekly show that lasts forever. A new viewer watching Dynamite this week will need Danhausen explaining as much as they need anyone on the show explaining. And so their options are to either Google it, or go with the flow and pick it up as they go along. And I don't think it's impossible to do the latter with Danhausen. I personally think there's far more confusing things on a weekly AEW - namely needing a notepad and pen to remember which of the 20 random lower card acts belong to which inconsequential stable.
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Post by deezy on Apr 19, 2022 18:57:27 GMT -5
Bryan is 100% correct. I've said to my friends that AEW hasn't giving me any reason to care about Danhausen. He is presented like I already know everything about him, some back story or something would be nice, I've lost interest in finding out what he is about because I know AEW is not going to give me any info about him.
Thin skin fans don't bother me too much, But it's the hypercritical posters here that rub me the wrong way. The ones who complain about any criticism brought to the board or any thread but then go to a Raw or Smackdown show thread and crap on the product the entire show. Knowing if someone did that in a Dynamite or Rampage thread they would be wanting them thrown off the board. If you want to crap on the WWE that doesn't bother me, there's alot to crap on honestly, lol. But don't whine about it if someone does the exact same to something you Like.
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