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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 26, 2022 18:13:49 GMT -5
She beat basically an entire Survivor Series team by herself, has been the Iron Woman in the Royal Rumble the last three years, has had two Mania title wins, and beat three women by herself last night even after they used a chair on her. I don't know how you could be behind someone any more. That's the most superwoman booking I think anyone has ever got. Even the 26 seconds thing as bad as it was at the time was just part of a narrative that was going to lead to her smelling like roses at the end. Fair enough & we want the same thing. I just don't trust WWE anymore and think she's still in the danger zone of ending up with 15 heel/face turns, some random tag run and all of us wondering what happened. At this point though with how hard they've pushed her I think she's pretty much teflon and can easily overcome things like that. It's not like Rhea who had like four months on top before they started flip flopping and throwing her into makeshift teams. |
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Post by J is Thunder Justice on Apr 26, 2022 18:59:24 GMT -5
The AEW women just need more time. I think they have the talent but one match a show isn't enough to do anything. Ruby's really over and she can't even get on the main shows.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 26, 2022 20:33:06 GMT -5
As a self admitted AEW mark, I realize their weak spot is their women’s division and WWE has a better one. But lets not say that their booking is a lot better. They get more time and they’ve built a lot of women up to be on par with the men. But the booking is still trash.
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Post by Fade on Apr 26, 2022 20:36:52 GMT -5
Big deal, Britt Baker criticised them live on Dynamite! What I’d give for these two to talk shit for like an hour. |
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 26, 2022 21:02:59 GMT -5
They already had Bianca cemented and then decided to have her drop her belt in 26 seconds & gave her multiple stops and starts before finally giving her something back at Mania. I don't trust them to keep her momentum up at all if her next feud isn't reaching Vince's bizarre brass ring- Becky will have that belt back before we know it. She beat basically an entire Survivor Series team by herself, has been the Iron Woman in the Royal Rumble the last three years, has had two Mania title wins, and beat three women by herself last night even after they used a chair on her. I don't know how you could be behind someone any more. That's the most superwoman booking I think anyone has ever got. Even the 26 seconds thing as bad as it was at the time was just part of a narrative that was going to lead to her smelling like roses at the end.
Exactly, and they weren't subtle about the 26-second thing setting up a story of Biance getting revenge, which was also after a feud where she whipped Becky, and still won at Mania after giving her two KODs and cutting her hair on the go-home. She's been on the MR for two years, has beaten everyone to the point where there's less suspense for her feuds (like beating Alexa at EC), and has still never lost fully clean. Even Charlotte and Becky never got booking this dominant (Charlotte had her PPV streak but sometimes won dirty and often took losses on TV in that time, Becky took no clean losses for years but also looked weaker in feuds on occasion). It's also worth mentioning that in addition to being Iron Woman in the 2020 Rumble, she got eight eliminations. WWE has been very strongly behind Bianca for a long time now, and it's interesting that after everything, people somehow doubt it.
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 26, 2022 21:07:18 GMT -5
Fair enough & we want the same thing. I just don't trust WWE anymore and think she's still in the danger zone of ending up with 15 heel/face turns, some random tag run and all of us wondering what happened. At this point though with how hard they've pushed her I think she's pretty much teflon and can easily overcome things like that. It's not like Rhea who had like four months on top before they started flip flopping and throwing her into makeshift teams. The difference is that Rhea's title run wasn't planned for, but only happened after Lacey's pregnancy, Asuka's injury, and Charlotte's COVID forced WWE to change plans on short notice. Had that not happened, it's more likely she would have been a night-after-Mania debut like Bianca was in 2020, and then more slowly built up ahead of the big push. Given the circumstances, I'd argue she still hasn't had that proper title run yet. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 26, 2022 21:17:43 GMT -5
She beat basically an entire Survivor Series team by herself, has been the Iron Woman in the Royal Rumble the last three years, has had two Mania title wins, and beat three women by herself last night even after they used a chair on her. I don't know how you could be behind someone any more. That's the most superwoman booking I think anyone has ever got. Even the 26 seconds thing as bad as it was at the time was just part of a narrative that was going to lead to her smelling like roses at the end. Exactly, and they weren't subtle about the 26-second thing setting up a story of Biance getting revenge, which was also after a feud where she whipped Becky, and still won at Mania after giving her two KODs and cutting her hair on the go-home. She's been on the MR for two years, has beaten everyone to the point where there's less suspense for her feuds (like beating Alexa at EC), and has still never lost fully clean. Even Charlotte and Becky never got booking this dominant (Charlotte had her PPV streak but sometimes won dirty and often took losses on TV in that time, Becky took no clean losses for years but also looked weaker in feuds on occasion). It's also worth mentioning that in addition to being Iron Woman in the 2020 Rumble, she got eight eliminations. WWE has been very strongly behind Bianca for a long time now, and it's interesting that after everything, people somehow doubt it.
I mean to be if there was someone to book like Superwoman it's definitely her as she has the size and definitely the physical gifts (speed, agility, freakish strength). She's definitely believable in the role. However sometimes it feels a little much. Like did she really have to come back four against one at Survivor Series when two on one would've accomplished the same and not been as ridiculous? Or like did she really have to be the Iron Woman in the Rumble again this year especially since she really didn't do that much this year elimination wise and was more in the background more compared to the previous two years? It kind of reminds of Roman Reigns at the beginning of his push where they were too heavy handed about it and really hit you over the head with "This is our guy" or in this case "This is our girl". Fans usually don't like that and it leads to backlash. Howevere with Bianca that backlash hasn't come which I guess is a testament to how likeable she is and how genuine she comes off as a face. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 26, 2022 21:20:43 GMT -5
At this point though with how hard they've pushed her I think she's pretty much teflon and can easily overcome things like that. It's not like Rhea who had like four months on top before they started flip flopping and throwing her into makeshift teams. The difference is that Rhea's title run wasn't planned for, but only happened after Lacey's pregnancy, Asuka's injury, and Charlotte's COVID forced WWE to change plans on short notice. Had that not happened, it's more likely she would have been a night-after-Mania debut like Bianca was in 2020, and then more slowly built up ahead of the big push. Given the circumstances, I'd argue she still hasn't had that proper title run yet. I know. I still think they could've went about using her better. Like she's there, has all the tools, and you went as far as to put the belt on her emergency or not. Might as well keep it rolling and create a new star. Instead they just made her another Charlotte statistic and then booked in her a very strange manner. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2022 21:26:51 GMT -5
Bianca and Rhea are the opposite of one another in their booking and all you really have to do is look at them against the 4H.
Bianca has now won feuds against 3 outta the 4 and 2 of them for titles at Mania....gonna be 3 because no doubt Charlotte Vs Bianca is going to be the Raw womens title match next year.
Rhea has done none of that anywhere close and is Charlottes bitch.
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 26, 2022 21:30:12 GMT -5
Bianca and Rhea are the opposite of one another in their booking and all you really have to do is look at them against the 4H. Bianca has now won feuds against 3 outta the 4 and 2 of them for titles at Mania....gonna be 3 because no doubt Charlotte Vs Bianca is going to be the Raw womens title match next year. Rhea has done none of that anywhere close and is Charlottes bitch.
Bianca's also already beaten Charlotte twice by DQ, both times in situations where she was just about to win the match.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 26, 2022 21:33:18 GMT -5
Bianca and Rhea are the opposite of one another in their booking and all you really have to do is look at them against the 4H. Bianca has now won feuds against 3 outta the 4 and 2 of them for titles at Mania....gonna be 3 because no doubt Charlotte Vs Bianca is going to be the Raw womens title match next year. Rhea has done none of that anywhere close and is Charlottes bitch. Has Rhea ever pinned Sasha? I know she beat her for the last fall at Survivor Series 2019 but that obviously wasn't one and one and even then there was interference involved. If not then I can't really think of her ever beating any main eventers other then Asuka. I guess she beat Bianca in NXT but that was before Bianca was being pushed as a main eventer. |
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 26, 2022 21:36:28 GMT -5
Bianca and Rhea are the opposite of one another in their booking and all you really have to do is look at them against the 4H. Bianca has now won feuds against 3 outta the 4 and 2 of them for titles at Mania....gonna be 3 because no doubt Charlotte Vs Bianca is going to be the Raw womens title match next year. Rhea has done none of that anywhere close and is Charlottes bitch. Has Rhea ever pinned Sasha? I know she beat her for the last fall at Survivor Series 2019 but that obviously wasn't one and one and even then there was interference involved. If not then I can't really think of her ever beating any main eventers other then Asuka. I guess she beat Bianca in NXT but that was before Bianca was being pushed as a main eventer.
Only at Survivor Series, and as you mentioned, Sasha got protected by interference there (it's still a strange PPV in hindsight because they gave the NXT women wins while so heavily undercutting them that they didn't really matter. Sasha got outnumbered, Becky got 'Hogan must pose' booking after Shayna beat Bayley.) Rhea pinned Charlotte in a triple-threat with Sasha on SD shortly before that PPV, by rolling her up out of a Figure 8 on Sasha. Her one TV match with Becky back in NXT went to a no-contest.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 26, 2022 21:45:03 GMT -5
Has Rhea ever pinned Sasha? I know she beat her for the last fall at Survivor Series 2019 but that obviously wasn't one and one and even then there was interference involved. If not then I can't really think of her ever beating any main eventers other then Asuka. I guess she beat Bianca in NXT but that was before Bianca was being pushed as a main eventer. Only at Survivor Series, and as you mentioned, Sasha got protected by interference there (it's still a strange PPV in hindsight because they gave the NXT women wins while so heavily undercutting them that they didn't really matter. Sasha got outnumbered, Becky got 'Hogan must pose' booking after Shayna beat Bayley.) Rhea pinned Charlotte in a triple-threat with Sasha on SD shortly before that PPV, by rolling her up out of a Figure 8 on Sasha. Her one TV match with Becky back in NXT went to a no-contest.
I don't really get why she couldn't have just went over Sasha clean there. I guess that was when Sasha had just come back after taking her ball and going home so I guess it wouldn't surprising if there was maybe some negotiating when it came to that finish. "Like I'll put her over but only with a protected finish" and they were willing to meet half way to keep her happy. And to be fair she did put over Becky clean the month before at Hell in a Cell so even if there wasn't a powerplay played I can see not wanting to have one of your top stars lose clean again after just returning. It's surprising Rhea has never worked Bayley and Becky only once (on TV anyways). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2022 21:46:12 GMT -5
She’s not wrong but it’s a take that could age badly as WWE sporadically loses interest in its women’s division and AEW is still in its infancy as a TV product. If I was in charge of AEW I’d keep Dynamite male driven with maybe one women’s match/promo and make Rampage woman exclusive, just try it for a month and see what happens.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 26, 2022 21:56:40 GMT -5
Neither Companies have any room to talk honestly.
Especially when you have Stardom and TJPW
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 26, 2022 22:08:43 GMT -5
Only at Survivor Series, and as you mentioned, Sasha got protected by interference there (it's still a strange PPV in hindsight because they gave the NXT women wins while so heavily undercutting them that they didn't really matter. Sasha got outnumbered, Becky got 'Hogan must pose' booking after Shayna beat Bayley.) Rhea pinned Charlotte in a triple-threat with Sasha on SD shortly before that PPV, by rolling her up out of a Figure 8 on Sasha. Her one TV match with Becky back in NXT went to a no-contest.
I don't really get why she couldn't have just went over Sasha clean there. I guess that was when Sasha had just come back after taking her ball and going home so I guess it wouldn't surprising if there was maybe some negotiating when it came to that finish. "Like I'll put her over but only with a protected finish" and they were willing to meet half way to keep her happy. And to be fair she did put over Becky clean the month before at Hell in a Cell so even if there wasn't a powerplay played I can see not wanting to have one of your top stars lose clean again after just returning. It's surprising Rhea has never worked Bayley and Becky only once (on TV anyways).
It was an interesting choice having the filler (filler in the sense because it was inevitable Bianca was going to be the one dethroning Becky) title defense feuds go to Doudrop and Liv. My guess was to save a Becky/Rhea feud for somewhere down the line, but now both are heels, it's a little uncertain when that will be.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 26, 2022 22:30:11 GMT -5
I don't really get why she couldn't have just went over Sasha clean there. I guess that was when Sasha had just come back after taking her ball and going home so I guess it wouldn't surprising if there was maybe some negotiating when it came to that finish. "Like I'll put her over but only with a protected finish" and they were willing to meet half way to keep her happy. And to be fair she did put over Becky clean the month before at Hell in a Cell so even if there wasn't a powerplay played I can see not wanting to have one of your top stars lose clean again after just returning. It's surprising Rhea has never worked Bayley and Becky only once (on TV anyways). It was an interesting choice having the filler (filler in the sense because it was inevitable Bianca was going to be the one dethroning Becky) title defense feuds go to Doudrop and Liv. My guess was to save a Becky/Rhea feud for somewhere down the line, but now both are heels, it's a little uncertain when that will be.
I'm guessing since they were both filler feuds where Becky was going to go over they didn't want to put Rhea in those spots since they clearly see a lot more in her then they do Liv or Doudrop. Liv and Doudrop aren't big priorities for them and to be blunt probably never will so they didn't care about them losing and probably at the same time figured just being in a program with Becky and having competitive matches with her would raise their stock a little and make them seem more credible going forward. If so in Liv's case I guess it's kind of worked in that while I wouldn't say she's in a great spot at the moment I think she's definitely in a better spot then she was before the Becky feud in that she's on TV every week, is on all the PPV's, and has storylines unlike before when she was losing to Carmella and appearing infrequently on TV (although to be fair that could be more of a benefit of her now being on Raw where they have more TV time to fill). |
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Apr 27, 2022 0:45:58 GMT -5
WWE's women's division may be technically better now, but at least AEW's division is improving. Meanwhile, the women's tag titles will go back to being worthless soon enough and Charlotte will get 5 more title reigns.
AEW has the talent, they just need more TV time. Maybe dedicate a few shows to the women's division each month?
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Post by Celgress on Apr 27, 2022 0:58:01 GMT -5
I can admit (most) of what she said is true, and I'm an AEW fan.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 27, 2022 2:47:11 GMT -5
Well duh, they've been building the division for around a decade depending on where you start (personally I'd say the first NXT women's championship match was the beginning of the end for the diva era) Vs 3 years. They also have more hours of TV to fill. It's not really worth comparing directly to Joshi promotions, more important is what happens in the next few years. Every indication is the golden period for women's wrestling in WWE has peaked and they're in the decline. The perfect storm if talent and timing they got with the four horsewomen is unlikely to be repeated, you'd think Japanese women will stay away and there's unlikely to be another Ronda Rousey to boost the profile. Ideal conditions for some in power to shrink the division down. If aew can capatilise on that remains to be seen but at least they're progressing in the right direction even if painfully slowly. How long should it take? And why? AEW hasn't subtly laying the groundwork to give the whole division a big push in the coming years - Tony Khan evidently just doesn't think most of them are worth shit. |
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