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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 27, 2022 23:32:27 GMT -5
I thank Snickers a lot for making WWE change the Moolah Battle Royal name by force. Notice how after that, they basically stopped giving a shit about doing it and axed it after two years (yet they still trot the Andre out there every year). Like you could actively tell how much it pissed Stephanie off to rename it. Well, that or a combination of the early unknown stages of the pandemic (they didn't do the Andre for WM36 either) and the fact that the numbers in the women's battle royals at WM37 and WM38 would barely reach double figures because they kept either cutting people or shoehorning them into the tag title match. Granted, that also mattered, but I still thank Snickers for forcing the change and note the contempt from people like Stephanie because they gave her an entire huge tribute video package and people like Steph were praising her like a grandmother on socials before Snickers said "Actually, no."
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Post by Mecca on Apr 27, 2022 23:44:50 GMT -5
Well, that or a combination of the early unknown stages of the pandemic (they didn't do the Andre for WM36 either) and the fact that the numbers in the women's battle royals at WM37 and WM38 would barely reach double figures because they kept either cutting people or shoehorning them into the tag title match. Granted, that also mattered, but I still thank Snickers for forcing the change and note the contempt from people like Stephanie because they gave her an entire huge tribute video package and people like Steph were praising her like a grandmother on socials before Snickers said "Actually, no." The McMahon family is extremely stubborn about Moolah, no idea why but they are.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 27, 2022 23:47:55 GMT -5
Granted, that also mattered, but I still thank Snickers for forcing the change and note the contempt from people like Stephanie because they gave her an entire huge tribute video package and people like Steph were praising her like a grandmother on socials before Snickers said "Actually, no." The McMahon family is extremely stubborn about Moolah, no idea why but they are. Because she didn't screw them over like everyone else I guess, and they build her up as this sweet old granny who was just " a trailblazer and adored by everyone in the business" and as social media got bigger, so did the screaming that Moolah was a f***ing monster, and the sponsors eventually caught wind of it and their fairytale couldn't be spun anymore.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 28, 2022 0:10:59 GMT -5
The McMahon family is extremely stubborn about Moolah, no idea why but they are. Because she didn't screw them over like everyone else I guess, and they build her up as this sweet old granny who was just " a trailblazer and adored by everyone in the business" and as social media got bigger, so did the screaming that Moolah was a f***ing monster, and the sponsors eventually caught wind of it and their fairytale couldn't be spun anymore. ^ This, womens wrestling wouldve been in better hands if Mildred Pierce was allowed to train the women instead of them relying on Moolah and her massive ego.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 28, 2022 2:43:49 GMT -5
I see no issues with Becky ranting. Even if you’re down on WWE’s women division or if you enjoy what AEW does, all she’s doing is talking up her company like every other top wrestling star in existence does. Who cares if you think she’s right or not? It’s nothing new. I think Clash stitched this up pretty much immediately. If WWE's women's division consisted of Becky kicking the same puppy in the face and pinning it every week then laughing, and even that segment only got sixty seconds per week, and AEW had a completely egalitarian split of 50/50 TV time between their men's and women's divisions, she would still say this. Because she works for WWE. That's how it works. It's pointless interviewing most wrestlers anyway - half the old-school guys keep kayfabe half the time, and the entire industry is literally built on lies. That's how the whole of wrestling works. Dozens of wrestlers get caught out just being marks for whatever promotion they work for right now, before completely changing their tone when they work for the competition, and the worst possible example of that is WWE. I don't know how NJPW works, ECW when it was around believed strongly in 'the talent can bury me in interviews whenever they like,' WCW was too chaotic to notice if someone was burying the promotion, AEW seem to at least not be publicly against their talent speaking their minds to some degree. But in WWE? Nobody who is currently working for WWE gives honest answers to anything in the vast majority of cases, unless they're someone who doesn't care about keeping their job or is simply too secure in it to be afraid. What is she going to say? 'Yeah our women suck, I wish I worked there instead.'
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Post by eJm on Apr 28, 2022 3:07:46 GMT -5
Honestly, if it were me, and I'm saying this as a mod and not as a fan, I'd rather nobody say anything because it causes massive headaches here and even with the longer format than a Twitter, there are people from both sides not seeing the wood for the trees.
But then, as I've said before, we'd have to stop big companies from taking shots and that's been happening since the 80s so it'd be entirely hypocritical for me to just go "Only wrestling should stop this".
And also, some of the funnier shots wouldn't have happened so...
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 28, 2022 3:24:58 GMT -5
I think what it basically comes down to are both companies are flawed with how they book the women for different reason. WWE gives them more exposure and spotlight but presents most of them horribly. In AEW they present most of their roster more credibly in that you aren't going to see a talented women's wrestler getting jobbed out or buried or anything like you could with WWE but they only focus on like three women and the rest are out of sight out of mind wrestling pretty much exclusively on the internet shows. I would say of the two I'm a little more forgiving of AEW since they at least have the excuse of not having as much TV time to work with. WWE there's no excuse especially with them having the better roster.
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Post by eJm on Apr 28, 2022 3:33:40 GMT -5
I think what it basically comes down to are both companies are flawed with how they book the women for different reason. WWE gives them more exposure and spotlight but presents most of them horribly. In AEW they present most of their roster more credibly in that you aren't going to see a talented women's wrestler getting jobbed out or buried or anything like you could with WWE but they only focus on like three women and the rest are out of sight out of mind wrestling pretty much exclusively on the internet shows. I would say of the two I'm a little more forgiving of AEW since they at least have the excuse of not having as much TV time to work with. WWE there's no excuse especially with them having the better roster. The crazier thing is both have easier fixes to at least improve things in the short term; put more experienced hands in NXT so that you don't get a bunch of green people wrestling and dropping their stock (NXT UK has a lot of them), get more people on the WWE main roster to get some bloat so we aren't jobbing out Carmella and Zelina and then expected to care about them feuding with one another and have AEW showcase their internet shows on the main shows so people don't get a sense they exist in their own reality. It won't fix everything and they'll need to be something more long term needed but it'll at the very least add some substance.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 28, 2022 3:54:49 GMT -5
I think what it basically comes down to are both companies are flawed with how they book the women for different reason. WWE gives them more exposure and spotlight but presents most of them horribly. In AEW they present most of their roster more credibly in that you aren't going to see a talented women's wrestler getting jobbed out or buried or anything like you could with WWE but they only focus on like three women and the rest are out of sight out of mind wrestling pretty much exclusively on the internet shows. I would say of the two I'm a little more forgiving of AEW since they at least have the excuse of not having as much TV time to work with. WWE there's no excuse especially with them having the better roster. The crazier thing is both have easier fixes to at least improve things in the short term; put more experienced hands in NXT so that you don't get a bunch of green people wrestling and dropping their stock (NXT UK has a lot of them), get more people on the WWE main roster to get some bloat so we aren't jobbing out Carmella and Zelina and then expected to care about them feuding with one another and have AEW showcase their internet shows on the main shows so people don't get a sense they exist in their own reality. It won't fix everything and they'll need to be something more long term needed but it'll at the very least add some substance. They recently sent Natalya down to NXT to help with that problem so at least they seem to be aware of it I guess as far as knowing that all the green women down there aren't going to learn anything just working with each other. I do agree they need new blood on main roster bad. Why not send Dakota Kai or Alba Fyre up? Gives them a new character which they need, a good worker, and someone who take L's here and there. That's another problem too is that they have people who can are perfect for enhancement roles but they either use them in different roles on Raw (Dana, Tamina) or just don't use them at all on Smackdown (Aliyah, Shotzi). Instead they just have the upper midcard and main event women fight each other all the time leading to many of them losing way more then they should
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Post by eJm on Apr 28, 2022 5:25:06 GMT -5
They recently sent Natalya down to NXT to help with that problem so at least they seem to be aware of it I guess as far as knowing that all the green women down there aren't going to learn anything just working with each other. I do agree they need new blood on main roster bad. Why not send Dakota Kai or Alba Fyre up? Gives them a new character which they need, a good worker, and someone who take L's here and there. That's another problem too is that they have people who can are perfect for enhancement roles but they either use them in different roles on Raw (Dana, Tamina) or just don't use them at all on Smackdown (Aliyah, Shotzi). Instead they just have the upper midcard and main event women fight each other all the time leading to many of them losing way more then they should Natalya going to NXT makes all the sense in the world and I hope it sets up more to come considering some of the matches that have happened down there. Kai and KLR really should be called up since their arcs in NXT were done months ago and at the very least, it makes them fresh since the main roster decides when NXT matters on a whim. And I can agree with that, as much as people are into the 24/7 stuff, it'd be better if the division wasn't dearth of talent right now and needing of people who can build credibility for the people who have plans.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 28, 2022 5:34:51 GMT -5
I see no issues with Becky ranting. Even if you’re down on WWE’s women division or if you enjoy what AEW does, all she’s doing is talking up her company like every other top wrestling star in existence does. Who cares if you think she’s right or not? It’s nothing new. I think Clash stitched this up pretty much immediately. If WWE's women's division consisted of Becky kicking the same puppy in the face and pinning it every week then laughing, and even that segment only got sixty seconds per week, and AEW had a completely egalitarian split of 50/50 TV time between their men's and women's divisions, she would still say this. Because she works for WWE. That's how it works. It's pointless interviewing most wrestlers anyway - half the old-school guys keep kayfabe half the time, and the entire industry is literally built on lies. That's how the whole of wrestling works. Dozens of wrestlers get caught out just being marks for whatever promotion they work for right now, before completely changing their tone when they work for the competition, and the worst possible example of that is WWE. I don't know how NJPW works, ECW when it was around believed strongly in 'the talent can bury me in interviews whenever they like,' WCW was too chaotic to notice if someone was burying the promotion, AEW seem to at least not be publicly against their talent speaking their minds to some degree. But in WWE? Nobody who is currently working for WWE gives honest answers to anything in the vast majority of cases, unless they're someone who doesn't care about keeping their job or is simply too secure in it to be afraid. What is she going to say? 'Yeah our women suck, I wish I worked there instead.' No, nooooo. I am *not* saying this as any sort of horrible indictment of WWE superstars. I'm not claiming anything like "oh booo, they're all LIARS!" I have no reason to not believe that Becky and Vince coincidentally believe the same thing about their women's division. If that's how 90% of the companY feel, so what? I have no clue if someone working in WWE would have permission to trash their product, but since no one has come forward to do that yet, I'm not concerned about it. I think you interpreted my statement as much more "anti-WWE" than it actually was. I'm not particuarly going after the company when I say that. I'm choosing to go with the theory these are Becky's real thoughts, and I'm complimenting her for doing the logical thing in strongly promoting her brand. Of course she and the vast majority in WWE would likely be proud of their wrestling work.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 28, 2022 5:40:59 GMT -5
I think Clash stitched this up pretty much immediately. If WWE's women's division consisted of Becky kicking the same puppy in the face and pinning it every week then laughing, and even that segment only got sixty seconds per week, and AEW had a completely egalitarian split of 50/50 TV time between their men's and women's divisions, she would still say this. Because she works for WWE. That's how it works. It's pointless interviewing most wrestlers anyway - half the old-school guys keep kayfabe half the time, and the entire industry is literally built on lies. That's how the whole of wrestling works. Dozens of wrestlers get caught out just being marks for whatever promotion they work for right now, before completely changing their tone when they work for the competition, and the worst possible example of that is WWE. I don't know how NJPW works, ECW when it was around believed strongly in 'the talent can bury me in interviews whenever they like,' WCW was too chaotic to notice if someone was burying the promotion, AEW seem to at least not be publicly against their talent speaking their minds to some degree. But in WWE? Nobody who is currently working for WWE gives honest answers to anything in the vast majority of cases, unless they're someone who doesn't care about keeping their job or is simply too secure in it to be afraid. What is she going to say? 'Yeah our women suck, I wish I worked there instead.' No, nooooo. I am *not* saying this as any sort of horrible indictment of WWE superstars. I'm not claiming anything like "oh booo, they're all LIARS!" I have no reason to not believe that Becky and Vince coincidentally believe the same thing about their women's division. If that's how 90% of the companY feel, so what? I have no clue if someone working in WWE would have permission to trash their product, but since no one has come forward to do that yet, I'm not concerned about it. I think you interpreted my statement as much more "anti-WWE" than it actually was. I'm not particuarly going after the company when I say that. I'm choosing to go with the theory these are Becky's real thoughts, and I'm complimenting her for doing the logical thing in strongly promoting her brand. Of course she and the vast majority in WWE would likely be proud of their wrestling work. I'm not being anti-WWE, I am realistically describing the way interviews go with thr majority of their talent, there was no criticism inherent to it, that is just how WWE PR works 90% of the AEW roster would also do this in the equivalent situation
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Post by eJm on Apr 28, 2022 5:44:17 GMT -5
I'm not being anti-WWE, I am realistically describing the way interviews go with thr majority of their talent, there was no criticism inherent to it, that is just how WWE PR works 90% of the AEW roster would also do this in the equivalent situation Like, people want to keep their jobs at the end of the day. Becky's going to say things that'll make the brass happy regardless of if it's actually her thoughts or not. Same with Britt Baker, same with Jordynne Grace, same with Allie Katch, same with whoever is big with a company right now. Like, honestly, Becky's been on the indies enough to know a lot of people on the scene and likely doesn't think they're all worthless and shit because, well, she'd like another option if WWE decides one day they've milked her dry and she's out the door. Right now, though? Whatever keeps her in that position, she'll say or dodge. That's just how it is.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 28, 2022 6:00:04 GMT -5
In the end of day we can all just agree Moolah was a piece of shit and so was anyone that helped and supported her.
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Post by eJm on Apr 28, 2022 6:03:46 GMT -5
In the end of day we can all just agree Moolah was a piece of shit and so was anyone that helped and supported her. Absolutely.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 28, 2022 6:12:27 GMT -5
Because she didn't screw them over like everyone else I guess, and they build her up as this sweet old granny who was just " a trailblazer and adored by everyone in the business" and as social media got bigger, so did the screaming that Moolah was a f***ing monster, and the sponsors eventually caught wind of it and their fairytale couldn't be spun anymore. ^ This, womens wrestling wouldve been in better hands if Mildred Pierce was allowed to train the women instead of them relying on Moolah and her massive ego. I have to look his name up, but there was a guy doing what Moolah did before she took over, basically her mentor, and it's just gross to read about. Mildred Burke was the top women's wrestler going in her era, tried to speak up about what was happening to the NWA, but got to a meeting and was told that women weren't allowed to speak at said meeting. She wound up blackballed, went to Japan with her women's title, and helped to get the joshi movement greater prominence. Really interesting but saddening stuff when you think how this all went down circa the 1950s and the fallout's been with the business ever since.
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