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Post by Stu on Sept 28, 2022 10:50:59 GMT -5
I wasn't impressed with the first two episodes, but the third one made things interesting. Today's episode continued that trend and now I'm committed to finishing the show.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 28, 2022 11:29:39 GMT -5
The KOTOR fan in me appreciated the mention of the Rakatan Empire in the latest episode.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Sept 28, 2022 13:59:56 GMT -5
I wish I could chop this show up and snort it, it's so good.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 29, 2022 11:50:40 GMT -5
Decided to give it the old college try after hearing all the good talk about it. Shit’s good. Shit’s real good.
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Post by Hurbster on Oct 4, 2022 2:54:23 GMT -5
I have the same problem with this that I have with all 'doom prequels', it's hard to get invested in someone who is going to die later anyway.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 4, 2022 7:24:51 GMT -5
All caught up.
So far this is shaping up to be my favorite Star Wars movie/show after the OT. If the quality holds, it'll be a toss up between this and Mandalorian.
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Post by The Spelunker! on Oct 4, 2022 14:18:37 GMT -5
Watched the 4 episodes last night. Show is pretty much exactly the kind of thing I want from a random Star Wars show. Great world building, great quality, wonderful suspense and drama.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Oct 5, 2022 11:10:28 GMT -5
Five episodes in and barely any missteps.
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 5, 2022 14:08:11 GMT -5
I've lost interest in Andor now. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I just want hours and awkward hours of Mon Mothma and her husband being frostily caustic to each other.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Oct 12, 2022 11:26:48 GMT -5
Halfway through Season 1!
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 12, 2022 15:29:57 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}This was a good one, very well paced and escalating. Lots of small bits where you think things will go wrong, until something does. Sorry to see so much of Maid Marian's Merry Men go down, but Andor's response to Skeen was exactly in character. Bit rash, but exactly in character. A man willing to do that would also be willing to shoot Andor in the back later. The heist succeeds in its aim yet you have to feel there are going to be a whole lot of repercussions going forward, though.
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Post by clifford on Oct 13, 2022 7:04:31 GMT -5
This show is. f***ing. Awesome. Serious 'Where Eagles Dare' and 'The Guns of Navarone' vibes off this week's episode. So tense.
Fantastic characters, fantastic cast, fantastic drama, fantastic score, fantastic visuals.
If the second half of the season is as good as the first half then it's the best bit of Star Wars media since the original trilogy, for me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 8:18:24 GMT -5
The show has been stellar. Easily the best disney+ show, with incredible writing, acting and action. Fantastic stuff.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Oct 19, 2022 4:21:39 GMT -5
Seven episodes in, and I think this is my favourite Star Wars ever, even supplanting The Empire Strikes Back.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 19, 2022 7:25:25 GMT -5
I live near Lansing, MI where there is a shopping center called Frandor, and someone made this
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 19, 2022 8:52:25 GMT -5
I am surprised to see the comments praisin this. I couldn't make it past episode 2.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 9:13:42 GMT -5
I thought he was really dull in rouge 1, I really have no interest in watching this. I’m tired of things set between the prequels and originals and would rather see stuff set after ROTJ.
As an extremely casual Star Wars fan. (Movies and Disney plus shows live action only) is there any reason for me watch this?
Couple of things worth noting.
I feel after they leave Hoth I found Empire really boring, ROTJ and Revenge of the Sith are my two favorite movies.
The humans are the least interesting parts of Star Wars. My favorite characters are Chewbacca, the droids (besides C-3PO) and any character that is a puppet.
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Oct 19, 2022 17:49:33 GMT -5
Funfact: the Shoretrooper (beach resort troopers) was played (or just voiced) by Star Wars regular Sam Witwer.
In the past he has voiced Maul in the prequel animated series, and Starkiller in the Force Unleashed games.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Oct 19, 2022 21:33:25 GMT -5
I am surprised to see the comments praisin this. I couldn't make it past episode 2. For me, it's a combination of several things. I have to explain some stuff that you haven't seen yet if you decide to pick up from the second episode, but I'll still spoiler-mark this just in case. 1) It expands the scope and deepens the levels of what Star Wars can actually be, which is more than just lightsabers and the Force and X-Wing dogfights and Darth Vader cameos. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}In the latest episode, we get a small glimpse of a planet that is made of Florida, against which the oppression of the Empire is contrasted. It's a fascinating vibe--people and aliens just chilling on a beach while a shoretrooper passes them by when chasing down some folks.
Certain characters in Andor, like Syril Karn, Mon Mothma, Dedra Meero, and Karis Nemik, show a greater sense of psychological depth than Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and Princess Leia ever have in the movies. And I like Luke, Han, and Leia, but they don't feel like real people who live in the reality of the world of Star Wars. Do they have to? No, but I appreciate having characters whose very existence doesn't just world-build, but world-live. Karn is henpecked by his mother. Mothma is trapped in a deteriorating marriage and family situation. Meero remains hyper-focused on career advancement within the ISB while securing the interests of the Empire and dealing with inter-office politics at the same time. Nemik is an eager, if not somewhat out-of-his-depth, ideologue of the nascent Rebellion. And we come to understand who these characters are as people based on how they react to their respective situations.
Cassian can sometimes feel a bit less developed than others in the show, in comparison, but we still know much more about him than we do in Rogue One, which I appreciate, and he's also the morally ambiguous leading man that Han Solo used to be before he became more and more sanitized.
Andor is a womanizer. He lies all the time to get out of scrapes. He's kind of a weasel. He remains non-committal and selfish even when it's harder and harder for him to ignore what's happening in the galaxy. He is willing to murder in cold-blood to save himself. He's a rogue with a heart of lead, and over time we will get to see how his heart of lead transmutes into gold. We've already had moments where he's willing to do something good or right, if not for a good or right reason. So the hard Andor we see at the beginning of Rogue One who softens with Jyn Erso at the end of Rogue One makes more sense knowing what we know so far from this show. 2) The show has the money, the time, the creative perspective, and the creative historical experience that all come together to tell a good story, unlike most other Disney+ shows. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}The show looks great because so much of the look of the show--its SFX, its sets, its costumes, and its performers--is practical. There is a longer run of episodes to map out a story. The show isn't, hopefully, being used to back-door multiple IPs like Season 2 of The Mandalorian did. Tony Gilroy and company approach Star Wars as a property with a healthy dose of skepticism of what Star Wars means to its audience when people like Dave Filoni or Jon Favreau are a bit slavish to George Lucas' vision and the expectations of the audience who are waiting for Glup Shitto to appear so someone on the internet can expand a Wookiepedia entry or make an angry YouTube video. Gilroy et al. also have structured the show in chunks that make sense when telling smaller segments of the story. We've had 2 3-episode arcs plus 1 stand-alone episode so far, and we're getting 1 more 3-episode arc and then a 2-episode finale. The structure of these episodes as digestible chunks of TV content is, for me, anyway, much more enjoyable than the soupy mess that are many narratives of most of streaming shows I've seen from Disney+, Netflix, Amazon, etc. The 3-episode arc, and maybe even each episode of the 3-episode arc as a discrete measure of time, means something. The first sets the stage or gives the premise of the story. The second builds tension. The third climaxes with action. Rinse, repeat. Then change it up with a stand-alone to check in with all of the important characters in this story who populate the galaxy, and all before we go back to another 3-episode art. It's simple, but it works. It's easy to follow. There's nothing superfluous, so far, added to pad a season's worth of episodes. Unlike the other Star Wars shows, and many of the Marvel shows, I've never seen anything that made me wonder why would the character do that or why does the shot look weird or bad or why is the story making odd leaps in logic, structure, or theme. I know more and care more about the secondary characters on this show than I ever did on Obi-Wan or TBoBF, or even the more recent Marvel shows like She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, or Hawkeye, because of how the narrative unfolds episode-to-episode. 3) It has succeeded up until this point because people had little-to-no expectations about it in the first place. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Partly because this show, alongside something much more kid-friendly like Rebels, is a prequel that fills in the gaps between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. Andor was not necessarily a stand-out character from Rogue One, compared to K2S0 or the Chirrut-Baze pairing, which means the character had less baggage from the movie to deal with and less fan expectations about who or what Andor was before Rogue One. For example, Boba Fett as a character became popular and endured because fans throughout the years, and after Return of the Jedi until Attack of the Clones, maybe, put upon this character so much meaning and significance. What does he look like? What is his relationship to Mandalore? Who are the Mandalorians? What is their involvement with the Clone Wars? Andor the character has had none of that, and so has the eponymous show. Up until Rogue One, Andor's a blank slate, basically. While many fans have complained about the pointlessness of telling a story about a character we know is going to die, Gilroy had the best response, " We’re all living in a prequel. We’re all going to die!" Shows like Better Call Saul and, more recently, House of the Dragon show that prequels can work, and maybe work best, because of what audiences know where the story is going to go, but we don't know how and why we get to the end in the ways we do. While the Star Wars prequel movies aren't great as movies, I think the overall story they tell is sound: who was Anakin Skywalker, what were the choices he made that led him to becoming Darth Vader, the masked man in black from A New Hope, and how did the Empire rise to power as a result of Anakin's support of Sheev Palpatine. The story mode of telling a prequel narrative is tragedy--the fall of Anakin Skywalker in Episodes I, II, and III, but also, here, what fated Cassian Andor to be a part of the story of Rogue One. This show might just be, at the end of it all, hopefully, a sombre, deconstructive complement of the Cambellian hero's journey upon George Lucas founded the original Star Wars movie. Andor is the show with quality writing, excellent performances, comprehensive world-building, meaningful themes, and the substantive arguments about the world in which the property exists, that so many Star Wars fans have been complaining about as being poor, missing, or badly done in the franchise since the Holiday Special. It's actually the Star Wars they've basically said they've always wanted, and yet...4) And the music is straight bangin'.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 19, 2022 21:51:00 GMT -5
I am surprised to see the comments praisin this. I couldn't make it past episode 2. For me, it's a combination of several things.</snip> Absolutely perfect summary. Andor is arguably the best piece of Star Wars media by virtue of that fact that it's not really trying to be a piece of Star Wars media. It's really well-made TV that just happens to be taking place in the Star Wars universe.
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