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Post by ayumidah on Jun 25, 2022 22:12:10 GMT -5
Here's the crazy part about this. I know remember where I read this, but the timeline of events. I don't remember what day WWE got in contact with Benoit. But there was a story that after he did the crimes. There was word he debated trying to get a plane and actually make the show and wrestle Punk after everything happened. If THIS happened. Could you image what the scene backstage would be like? People would've been out for him backstage. Just an insane story. How does anyone know this?(not being funny,genuine question) It's been talked about in a few places by other wrestlers, WWE has a timeline on their corporate website that says this: On Saturday, June 23, Chris Benoit was slated to appear at a WWE live event in Beaumont, Texas. That afternoon, Benoit contacted WWE to inform them that his wife and child were ill, and that he would not be able to attend the show. WWE executives rebooked Benoit’s flight for the following morning, allowing Benoit to miss the Beaumont event and making alternate arrangements for him to attend the pay-per-view event in Houston on Sunday. WWE employees attempted to confirm with Benoit his travel plans but were unable to contact him. Looked around further At about 3:30 p.m. EDT on Saturday, June 23, Chavo Guerrero received a voicemail message from Benoit's phone stating that he overslept and missed his flight and would be late for that night's house show in Beaumont, Texas. Guerrero called Benoit back and Benoit sounded tired and groggy as he confirmed everything that he had said in his voice message. Guerrero, who was "concerned about Benoit's tone and demeanor", called him back twelve minutes later. Benoit did not answer the call and Guerrero left a message asking Benoit to call back. At 3:44 p.m. EDT, Benoit called Guerrero back, stating that he did not answer the call because he was on the phone with Delta Air Lines changing his flight. Benoit stated that he had a stressful day due to Nancy and Daniel "being sick with food poisoning". A co-worker who often traveled with Benoit called him from outside the Houston airport and Benoit answered. Benoit told the coworker that Nancy was vomiting blood and that Daniel was also vomiting. On Sunday, June 24, five text messages were sent to co-workers between 3:51 a.m. and 3:58 a.m. using both Chris Benoit's and Nancy Benoit's cell phones. Four of them were the Benoit's address and the fifth said that the family's dogs were in the enclosed pool area also noting a garage side door was left open. During this time Benoit called and left a voicemail for an unknown friend. Benoit later called WWE's talent relations office stating that his son was vomiting and that he and Nancy were at the hospital with him. He also stated that he would be taking a later flight into Houston, but would not make the live event in Beaumont.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jun 25, 2022 22:23:39 GMT -5
Benoit was easily my favourite Wrestler.
Him winning the Rumble and then going on to win the world heavyweight title at WM XX was one of my favourite eras in Wrestling.
I got home late that day and me Brother was watching Raw and told me Benoit and his family had died..At the time it was believed that they were poisoned I believe.
I was devastated by this and the first time since Eddie's passing a wrestling death really got to me.
It wasn't till I got home from work the next day that the truth was revealed. I admit at the time I just didn't want to believe my favourite wrestler was capable of doing such a thing.
But as time goes on I have to accept that it happened and he is a scum bag for what he did.
Some people still try to defend him with excuses like "He was brain damaged"..Even so 2 people lost their life because of him.
It's a damn shame it happened, the man was a pleasure to watch in the ring and would have been more than deserving of his place in the hall of fame. But one event pretty much made sure that will never happen and rightfully so.
R.I.P Nancy and Daniel.
f*** you Chris.
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Post by gnr123 on Jun 25, 2022 23:01:54 GMT -5
No they wouldn’t have. There’s already evidence of multiple wrestlers texting him when he went silent if they needed to help him cover up anything and that they’d lie for him. So basically he's going to be walking backstage after committing the murders. Put on a wrestling match. And everything is normal. Man is that warped to think, if he indeed hopped on the plane and performed at the PPV. And people say "oh, he just snapped one day, it was all the diving headbutts, he had head trauma." If he was possibly going to go the show and like everything was normal, that shows you he was as cold-blooded and sinister as they come. No head trauma can excuse killing your innocent wife and young child than wrestling a match like everything's fine.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 25, 2022 23:24:00 GMT -5
Benoit was one of my favorites for a long time. I loved his underdog story of starting from the bottom and getting to the top based solely on skill and determination. His in-ring intensity and skill were absolutely world-class.
Then this happened. I was 19 years old and I'd just come home from work. I logged onto WWE.com and my jaw dropped. I was speechless. I didn't know how to process it. And then, we found out the horrific truth.
It's a hard pill to swallow emotionally when someone you admired that much does something so downright evil. You question yourself why you ever would've admired this person for any reason. But the reality is, you had no way of knowing. And you weren't wrong or gross or immoral for liking them for who you perceived them to be. I can only imagine it's an infinite number of times worse for his family and friends. I don't know how you could ever come to terms with it or even begin to process it, even a decade and a half later. And it becomes an even murkier mess when you wonder how much of this increasingly abusive behavior was related to his actual personality and how much was related to getting his brains scrambled on a near-nightly basis. He needs to be held 100% accountable for what he did - an innocent woman and child died at the hands of someone they loved and trusted to protect them - I just don't know what the best way to actually hold him accountable is if Chris Nowinski is to be believed.
It's why I don't like thinking about this whole case that often. The whole thing is so f***ed, and so sad, and so tragic. And no one will ever receive any closure or answers as to the how and the why. And accepting that is by far the most difficult, heartwrenching thing about it for anyone even remotely affected by this tragedy.
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Post by Fade on Jun 25, 2022 23:29:15 GMT -5
I was at a Starbucks and a friend texted me “Benoit’s dead”. Then there was the real fallout. Every now and then, I delve into the Benoit incident. Interviews, etc. i don’t believe any zany conspiracies. I’m just fascinated by the incident and what probably happened.
As for how I feel..it’s real hollow. When I was younger, I didn’t mind watching his matches much after it went down. As I’ve gotten older, I can’t escape just focusing on “He killed a child”. Obviously the murder of Nancy is terrible as well but it’s just all horrendous. So I can watch the matches but Benoit’s this black cloud over it.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jun 25, 2022 23:35:41 GMT -5
How does anyone know this?(not being funny,genuine question) It's been talked about in a few places by other wrestlers, WWE has a timeline on their corporate website that says this: On Saturday, June 23, Chris Benoit was slated to appear at a WWE live event in Beaumont, Texas. That afternoon, Benoit contacted WWE to inform them that his wife and child were ill, and that he would not be able to attend the show. WWE executives rebooked Benoit’s flight for the following morning, allowing Benoit to miss the Beaumont event and making alternate arrangements for him to attend the pay-per-view event in Houston on Sunday. WWE employees attempted to confirm with Benoit his travel plans but were unable to contact him. Looked around further At about 3:30 p.m. EDT on Saturday, June 23, Chavo Guerrero received a voicemail message from Benoit's phone stating that he overslept and missed his flight and would be late for that night's house show in Beaumont, Texas. Guerrero called Benoit back and Benoit sounded tired and groggy as he confirmed everything that he had said in his voice message. Guerrero, who was "concerned about Benoit's tone and demeanor", called him back twelve minutes later. Benoit did not answer the call and Guerrero left a message asking Benoit to call back. At 3:44 p.m. EDT, Benoit called Guerrero back, stating that he did not answer the call because he was on the phone with Delta Air Lines changing his flight. Benoit stated that he had a stressful day due to Nancy and Daniel "being sick with food poisoning". A co-worker who often traveled with Benoit called him from outside the Houston airport and Benoit answered. Benoit told the coworker that Nancy was vomiting blood and that Daniel was also vomiting. On Sunday, June 24, five text messages were sent to co-workers between 3:51 a.m. and 3:58 a.m. using both Chris Benoit's and Nancy Benoit's cell phones. Four of them were the Benoit's address and the fifth said that the family's dogs were in the enclosed pool area also noting a garage side door was left open. During this time Benoit called and left a voicemail for an unknown friend. Benoit later called WWE's talent relations office stating that his son was vomiting and that he and Nancy were at the hospital with him. He also stated that he would be taking a later flight into Houston, but would not make the live event in Beaumont. Yeah I doubt that Benoit actually had plans to fly out to Vengance after murdering 2 people. I think he felt like he had to answer the phone to stall things out before the police came
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 25, 2022 23:37:47 GMT -5
I was at a Starbucks and a friend texted me “Benoit’s dead”. Then there was the real fallout. Every now and then, I delve into the Benoit incident. Interviews, etc. i don’t believe any zany conspiracies. I’m just fascinated by the incident and what probably happened. As for how I feel..it’s real hollow. When I was younger, I didn’t mind watching his matches much after it went down. As I’ve gotten older, I can’t escape just focusing on “He killed a child”. Obviously the murder of Nancy is terrible as well but it’s just all horrendous. So I can watch the matches but Benoit’s this black cloud over it. And not just any child, either, even though that'd be bad enough. But it was his own child.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 25, 2022 23:47:23 GMT -5
It's been talked about in a few places by other wrestlers, WWE has a timeline on their corporate website that says this: On Saturday, June 23, Chris Benoit was slated to appear at a WWE live event in Beaumont, Texas. That afternoon, Benoit contacted WWE to inform them that his wife and child were ill, and that he would not be able to attend the show. WWE executives rebooked Benoit’s flight for the following morning, allowing Benoit to miss the Beaumont event and making alternate arrangements for him to attend the pay-per-view event in Houston on Sunday. WWE employees attempted to confirm with Benoit his travel plans but were unable to contact him. Looked around further At about 3:30 p.m. EDT on Saturday, June 23, Chavo Guerrero received a voicemail message from Benoit's phone stating that he overslept and missed his flight and would be late for that night's house show in Beaumont, Texas. Guerrero called Benoit back and Benoit sounded tired and groggy as he confirmed everything that he had said in his voice message. Guerrero, who was "concerned about Benoit's tone and demeanor", called him back twelve minutes later. Benoit did not answer the call and Guerrero left a message asking Benoit to call back. At 3:44 p.m. EDT, Benoit called Guerrero back, stating that he did not answer the call because he was on the phone with Delta Air Lines changing his flight. Benoit stated that he had a stressful day due to Nancy and Daniel "being sick with food poisoning". A co-worker who often traveled with Benoit called him from outside the Houston airport and Benoit answered. Benoit told the coworker that Nancy was vomiting blood and that Daniel was also vomiting. On Sunday, June 24, five text messages were sent to co-workers between 3:51 a.m. and 3:58 a.m. using both Chris Benoit's and Nancy Benoit's cell phones. Four of them were the Benoit's address and the fifth said that the family's dogs were in the enclosed pool area also noting a garage side door was left open. During this time Benoit called and left a voicemail for an unknown friend. Benoit later called WWE's talent relations office stating that his son was vomiting and that he and Nancy were at the hospital with him. He also stated that he would be taking a later flight into Houston, but would not make the live event in Beaumont. Yeah I doubt that Benoit actually had plans to fly out to Vengance after murdering 2 people. I think he felt like he had to answer the phone to stall things out before the police came Police come for what? If people were contact with Benoit and he's giving them a story, no one is going to call the police for a wellness check. The police don't just show up at your house to check you haven't murdered your family. Benoit could have carried on for as long as people didn't get too curious why they hadn't heard from Nancy and Daniel.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 26, 2022 0:02:55 GMT -5
First, I remember being so happy that Johnny Nitro beat Punk, because I hated Punk so much at the time.
And then we heard about Benoit, and at first, it just seemed like "Another tragic wrestling casualty".
And then Regal spoke.
And I thought "HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY S***, he knows something that we don't."
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jun 26, 2022 0:05:36 GMT -5
I don't buy the brain damage/steroid rage theory.
Yes, he had head trauma, but he hung around the dead bodies of his wife and son for three days before topping himself. Neighbours report him taking out trash and feeding the dogs over the weekend.
The incident would have been over in hours, not days if he had "snapped".
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 26, 2022 0:20:07 GMT -5
I don't buy the brain damage/steroid rage theory. Yes, he had head trauma, but he hung around the dead bodies of his wife and son for three days before topping himself. Neighbours report him taking out trash and feeding the dogs over the weekend. The incident would have been over in hours, not days if he had "snapped". Maybe not, but I definitely think that his mental and emotional state severely declined after Eddie died. It's not even remotely an iota of an excuse, but I think it broke him and he just slipped more and more over time until he couldn't take it anymore. And once he decided he didn't want to live anymore, he decided to take his family with him.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 26, 2022 0:21:50 GMT -5
I don't buy the brain damage/steroid rage theory. Yes, he had head trauma, but he hung around the dead bodies of his wife and son for three days before topping himself. Neighbours report him taking out trash and feeding the dogs over the weekend. The incident would have been over in hours, not days if he had "snapped". I think the roid rage theory is bullshit and can be very easily disproven. Like you said, someone who just snapped wouldn't exhibit that sort of behavior as he did that weekend. Someone who is f***ed mentally from brain damage, well, I wholeheartedly believe it. He was becoming increasingly paranoid that people were following him or going to hurt his family in the weeks and months prior, to the point where he was taking different routes to the gym and airport. So I can absolutely buy him being mentally disturbed enough to be doing those mundane things with the bodies of his murdered wife and child just sitting in the house rotting. It fits the profile pretty well, to be honest.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 26, 2022 0:43:26 GMT -5
I don't buy the brain damage/steroid rage theory. Yes, he had head trauma, but he hung around the dead bodies of his wife and son for three days before topping himself. Neighbours report him taking out trash and feeding the dogs over the weekend. The incident would have been over in hours, not days if he had "snapped". I think the roid rage theory is bullshit and can be very easily disproven. Like you said, someone who just snapped wouldn't exhibit that sort of behavior as he did that weekend. Someone who is f***ed mentally from brain damage, well, I wholeheartedly believe it. He was becoming increasingly paranoid that people were following him or going to hurt his family in the weeks and months prior, to the point where he was taking different routes to the gym and airport. So I can absolutely buy him being mentally disturbed enough to be doing those mundane things with the bodies of his murdered wife and child just sitting in the house rotting. It fits the profile pretty well, to be honest. I forget who said it, maybe Bob Holly, Chris had taken to driving around with an Eddie figure in his passenger seat. The guys thought it weird, but let him grieve.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 0:45:55 GMT -5
Yeah it’s been 15 years the world has changed. I wouldn’t be opposed to peacock removing all his content. Snuka too.
At least channels like wrestling with wregret need to stop covering his matches, it feels odd for Brian Zayne who has strong progressive views (a lot I agree with) and was vocal against J Briggs, Marty Schull, or Gentleman Jarvis and then makes ppv reviews Gushing over Benoit matches.
I’m for trying to separate the art from the artist. But seeing those headbutts and crossfaces it’s hard to justify it. I know we’re all wrestling fans here but At the end of the day, it’s a fake sport with grown men fighting in their underwear. It’s time to leave Benoit in the past.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 26, 2022 0:53:17 GMT -5
Yeah it’s been 15 years the world has changed. I wouldn’t be opposed to peacock removing all his content. Snuka too. At least channels like wrestling with wregret need to stop covering his matches, it feels odd for Brian Zayne who has strong progressive views (a lot I agree with) and was vocal against J Briggs, Marty Schull, or Gentleman Jarvis and then makes ppv reviews Gushing over Benoit matches. I’m for trying to separate the art from the artist. But seeing those headbutts and crossfaces it’s hard to justify it. I know we’re all wrestling fans here but At the end of the day, it’s a fake sport with grown men fighting in their underwear. It’s time to leave Benoit in the past. It's not up to BZ to shield you from things you find uncomfortable. If he reviews a show you know Benoit is on, don't watch, give his video a thumbs down or send him a comment, he's accessible. Pretending something didn't happen or someone didn't exist does nothing but you feel a little better and that's not good for anyone. It's ok to be upset or uncomfortable once in a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 1:15:16 GMT -5
Yeah it’s been 15 years the world has changed. I wouldn’t be opposed to peacock removing all his content. Snuka too. At least channels like wrestling with wregret need to stop covering his matches, it feels odd for Brian Zayne who has strong progressive views (a lot I agree with) and was vocal against J Briggs, Marty Schull, or Gentleman Jarvis and then makes ppv reviews Gushing over Benoit matches. I’m for trying to separate the art from the artist. But seeing those headbutts and crossfaces it’s hard to justify it. I know we’re all wrestling fans here but At the end of the day, it’s a fake sport with grown men fighting in their underwear. It’s time to leave Benoit in the past. It's not up to BZ to shield you from things you find uncomfortable. If he reviews a show you know Benoit is on, don't watch, give his video a thumbs down or send him a comment, he's accessible. Pretending something didn't happen or someone didn't exist does nothing but you feel a little better and that's not good for anyone. It's ok to be upset or uncomfortable once in a while. I actually have tweeted at him about this with no reply. It’s a pretentious YouTube channel. As someone viewed as a important person in the internet wrestling world, him taking a stand would go a long way. Like I said him reviewing Benoit matches doesn’t go along with the rest of his views. Beniot murdered his wife and child. He can wiped off from all recorded history for all I care. Giving him any accolades because he “wrestled good” is something I’ll never understand. This is pro wrestling this isn’t the history of World War 2. Also let’s be honest while he was a ring general, he sucked at everything else and no where near the total package like Bret, Eddie, Kurt, Jericho, or Styles.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 26, 2022 1:22:07 GMT -5
It's not up to BZ to shield you from things you find uncomfortable. If he reviews a show you know Benoit is on, don't watch, give his video a thumbs down or send him a comment, he's accessible. Pretending something didn't happen or someone didn't exist does nothing but you feel a little better and that's not good for anyone. It's ok to be upset or uncomfortable once in a while. I actually have tweeted at him about this with no reply. It’s a pretentious YouTube channel. As someone viewed as a important person in the internet wrestling him taking a stand would go a long way. Like I said him reviewing Benoit matches doesn’t go along with the rest of his views. Beniot murdered his wife and child. He can wiped off from all recorded history for all I care. Giving him any accolades because he “wrestled good” is something I’ll never understand. This is pro wrestling this isn’t the history of World War 2. Also let’s be honest while he was a ring general, he sucked at everything else and no where near the total package like Bret, Eddie, Kurt, Jericho, or Styles. I do not speak for him in anyway, but he's probably heard you and he's carrying on his merry way. If you want to combat him, start your own channel and exclude Benoit. Picking on Brian Zane specifically when there's, I dunno, 10,000 YouTube channels that cover WWF(E) and you ignore, it seems like your issue is with Brian Zane and not Benoit. That's fine.
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Post by ayumidah on Jun 26, 2022 3:16:59 GMT -5
First, I remember being so happy that Johnny Nitro beat Punk, because I hated Punk so much at the time. And then we heard about Benoit, and at first, it just seemed like "Another tragic wrestling casualty". And then Regal spoke. And I thought "HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY S***, he knows something that we don't." I was a huge Nitro fan and still remember my father musing if Nitro felt guilty because the only reason he won at all was because of what happened. Exactly what I needed to hear that week.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jun 26, 2022 3:44:49 GMT -5
First, I remember being so happy that Johnny Nitro beat Punk, because I hated Punk so much at the time. And then we heard about Benoit, and at first, it just seemed like "Another tragic wrestling casualty". And then Regal spoke. And I thought "HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY S***, he knows something that we don't." Has Regal ever spoken on this? I always wondered whether people just read too much into it. And why he would do any form of tribute to a man he believed had just murdered his wife and child.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jun 26, 2022 4:03:43 GMT -5
First off, the victims are Nancy & Daniel 100% I think it's a tragic case though because Chris was obviously so far gone by then. The head trauma, depression and god knows what else, we'll never fully know but I just find the whole thing so unbelievably sad. 15 years later and wrestling is more dangerous than ever though. I'm not saying something like this will happen again but people seem to be landing on their heads more than ever before. At least the chair shots are far safer for the vast majority. Absolutely, whilst chairs to heads are less common, the amount of people getting dropped on their necks and heads is ridiculous. There are "safe" ways to do it, sure, but when someone is taking that multiple times in a match, that will add up.
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