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Post by carter 15 on Jun 26, 2022 4:44:56 GMT -5
I remember i was playing for my country for the first time in my sport, my sister messaged me during training camp. Not that he was murderer but that he was dead. After Eddie now Chris my initial reaction was ffs who’s next. Then i learned what actually happened. Insane.
Roid rage is bs, i think there’s truth to the CTE condition playing a part - obviously there’s just absolutely no justification or excuse though. He’s a piece of shit. I can find other great wrestlers to watch from the past, i don’t ever need to see him wrestle.
Also to the poster that said there was evidence wrestlers messaged him saying they’d lie for him and cover it up - uhhh what?
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Post by FinalGwen on Jun 26, 2022 5:48:53 GMT -5
I still think that while the CTE may have contributed, him being an abusive nightmare outside of that is was what made it happen. Mick Foley's gone through just as much head trauma if not more, and yet he's not a danger to anyone because he's a genuinely pleasant person rather than a bully and abuser.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Jun 26, 2022 7:12:53 GMT -5
First, I remember being so happy that Johnny Nitro beat Punk, because I hated Punk so much at the time. And then we heard about Benoit, and at first, it just seemed like "Another tragic wrestling casualty". And then Regal spoke. And I thought "HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY S***, he knows something that we don't." Has Regal ever spoken on this? I always wondered whether people just read too much into it. And why he would do any form of tribute to a man he believed had just murdered his wife and child. Supposedly, he was all set to do a heartfelt tribute and JBL asked "You don't think Chris did this, do you?" And it seemingly clicked during the segment |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 26, 2022 8:03:38 GMT -5
I still think that while the CTE may have contributed, him being an abusive nightmare outside of that is was what made it happen. Mick Foley's gone through just as much head trauma if not more, and yet he's not a danger to anyone because he's a genuinely pleasant person rather than a bully and abuser. oddly enough it was New Jack of all people who pointed that out in a shoot once, albeit about himself rather than Mick. |
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jun 26, 2022 8:38:11 GMT -5
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 26, 2022 9:29:06 GMT -5
Also to the poster that said there was evidence wrestlers messaged him saying they’d lie for him and cover it up - uhhh what? Yeah. Some phone records got out and one or two wrestlers offered to “stooge” for Benoit if he was in trouble which pretty much means cover for him. They didn’t know the severity of the situation obviously but wrestling is known for that fraternity mentality, protect the boys |
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Post by ToyfareMark on Jun 26, 2022 10:21:06 GMT -5
Benoit was so much a clone of Dynamite Kid that its hard for me to consider him a great wrestler on his own. Sure there are other wrestlers who copy things from others, but not on this kind of level.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Jun 26, 2022 11:00:27 GMT -5
15 years of bros saying he should be in the HOF cause “hE wAs A gOoD wReStLeR” or thinking he was framed by Kevin Sullivan.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 26, 2022 11:54:30 GMT -5
I find it strange how the vibe slowly changed over the years from "The Chris I knew wouldn't have done this" to "...yeah, he kind of always was a piece of shit actually". My best guess would be there was still some lingering fear of speaking ill about him to some of the vets at first. I completely buy that people were willing to cover for him.
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Post by john84 on Jun 26, 2022 12:26:53 GMT -5
15 years of bros saying he should be in the HOF cause “hE wAs A gOoD wReStLeR” or thinking he was framed by Kevin Sullivan. Hell, I've seen some people try to claim Ric Flair was involved. |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jun 26, 2022 12:32:13 GMT -5
So on the record, how many friends did Benoit have left at the time?
Regal
Chavo
Malenko
Is that it? Jericho wasn't back yet at the time.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jun 26, 2022 14:15:04 GMT -5
So on the record, how many friends did Benoit have left at the time? Regal Chavo Malenko Is that it? Jericho wasn't back yet at the time. I think Edge too. On the tribute show, he said Benoit and Eddie were one of the three people in the industry he could go talk to. |
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Post by Cyno on Jun 26, 2022 14:25:50 GMT -5
I don't buy the brain damage/steroid rage theory. Yes, he had head trauma, but he hung around the dead bodies of his wife and son for three days before topping himself. Neighbours report him taking out trash and feeding the dogs over the weekend. The incident would have been over in hours, not days if he had "snapped". Didn't they examine his brain and concluded that he had the mental capacity of a person in their 80's with Alzheimer's? It was kinda gross that the media just zeroed in on steroids when CTE likely had a lot more to do with it. I don't think he "snapped." And he had a history of domestic abuse against Nancy. But he also wasn't the first nor last person with CTE to commit a violent act against themselves and/or others. |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jun 26, 2022 15:01:21 GMT -5
Just think that in an alternative universe, Nancy and Daniel are still alive today. Benoit only takes his own life. Then he would be honored and also be known as a troubled soul.
I wish this was the true timeline today.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jun 26, 2022 15:03:08 GMT -5
It's not up to BZ to shield you from things you find uncomfortable. If he reviews a show you know Benoit is on, don't watch, give his video a thumbs down or send him a comment, he's accessible. Pretending something didn't happen or someone didn't exist does nothing but you feel a little better and that's not good for anyone. It's ok to be upset or uncomfortable once in a while. I actually have tweeted at him about this with no reply. It’s a pretentious YouTube channel. As someone viewed as a important person in the internet wrestling world, him taking a stand would go a long way. Like I said him reviewing Benoit matches doesn’t go along with the rest of his views. Beniot murdered his wife and child. He can wiped off from all recorded history for all I care. Giving him any accolades because he “wrestled good” is something I’ll never understand. This is pro wrestling this isn’t the history of World War 2. Also let’s be honest while he was a ring general, he sucked at everything else and no where near the total package like Bret, Eddie, Kurt, Jericho, or Styles. To be fair Zane is paid by his patron supporters to review these shows. So he doesn't have a choice if this supports his income TBH |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jun 26, 2022 15:03:55 GMT -5
I don't buy the brain damage/steroid rage theory. Yes, he had head trauma, but he hung around the dead bodies of his wife and son for three days before topping himself. Neighbours report him taking out trash and feeding the dogs over the weekend. The incident would have been over in hours, not days if he had "snapped". Didn't they examine his brain and concluded that he had the mental capacity of a person in their 80's with Alzheimer's? It was kinda gross that the media just zeroed in on steroids when CTE likely had a lot more to do with it. I don't think he "snapped." And he had a history of domestic abuse against Nancy. But he also wasn't the first nor last person with CTE to commit a violent act against themselves and/or others. Probably triggered because he left the prestigious 4 Horsemen to be demoted to Monday Night Raw as someone suggested on a talk show - forget her name now as I made a point of avoiding her ever since - middle aged blonde woman. On a separate note - I think it was Benoit's Darkside of the Ring episode where Vickie Guerrero mentions he and Nancy would visit Eddie's family home to check in on them after Eddie's passing, but Benoit would go and lie on Eddie's side of the Guerrero marital bed and wail for hours whilst clutching a note he'd written to Eddie. That's just awkward. Was it CTE affecting him way back then? Yet with the passage of time, the event seems so futile. He's tarnished his name, left the families on either side in indescribable pain. If he'd lived, I'm just picturing a divorced 55-yr old Benoit working in AEW as a respected veteran with the only blemish on his name is toxic backstage behaviour and maybe he's stepped up to support Eddie's family in nice things like walking his daughters down the aisle. |
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Post by john84 on Jun 26, 2022 15:04:41 GMT -5
Just think that in an alternative universe, Nancy and Daniel are still alive today. Benoit only takes his own life. Then he would be honored and also be known as a troubled soul. I wish this was the true timeline today. Abuse stories would still come out though. Unless, in THAT alternative universe he never abused Nancy? |
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Post by lucas_lee on Jun 26, 2022 15:07:01 GMT -5
So on the record, how many friends did Benoit have left at the time? Regal Chavo Malenko Is that it? Jericho wasn't back yet at the time. I think Hardcore Holly too. Holly if I remember right said Benoit called him and he didn't pick up and it haunts him. Also when Johnny Grunge and Biff Wellington died that was probably it for Benoit for anyone that could've told him to not do it. Nancy tried to leave him several times but like cycles in abusive relationships she went back. Its not her fault Chris is a POS |
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Post by tirtefaa on Jun 26, 2022 16:05:45 GMT -5
Just think that in an alternative universe, Nancy and Daniel are still alive today. Benoit only takes his own life. Then he would be honored and also be known as a troubled soul. I wish this was the true timeline today. Abuse stories would still come out though. Unless, in THAT alternative universe he never abused Nancy? Yeah, I mean let's not kid ourselves here, Benoit was an explosive personality. There were multiple restraining orders that Nancy made against Chris over the years, and it's not as though you can just casually get those filed. Maybe the better timeline would be that WWE sees how toxic the locker room is by 2002 and fires anyone that is abusive towards others. That takes care of Benoit, Eddie, Bradshaw, Holly and maybe even Undertaker. Loyalty doesn't mean anything if you're systematically poisoning the well with how you conduct yourself backstage |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 26, 2022 16:11:35 GMT -5
I still think that while the CTE may have contributed, him being an abusive nightmare outside of that is was what made it happen. Mick Foley's gone through just as much head trauma if not more, and yet he's not a danger to anyone because he's a genuinely pleasant person rather than a bully and abuser. Yeah, depending on what side on FAN-unfriendly fences you are on, if anything. But yeah, if Benoit didn't know what he was doing, wouldn't this all have happened in one fell swoop? Things seemed too planned still for it to be just that. Given certain things we know, he was just not a pleasant person. (one of the lessons I hope most people learned here was, talent <> sainthood) |
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