El Pollo Guerrera
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jul 24, 2022 13:35:27 GMT -5
AEW having issues in their talent relations department? I've got a feeling that John Laurenitis is going to be looking for a job soon...Remember, he does have a family connection... he is Bryan Danielson's step-father-in-law.
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Toates Madhackrviper
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jul 24, 2022 13:41:14 GMT -5
Honestly in general Gresham just kind of comes off as incredibly up his own ass. Not to say TK's blameless here, he doesn't seem the best with this kind of thing, but Gresham's got a pretty clear track record at this point. I'd say its a situation where neither side is clean and there's fault to go around, but also I'm generally going to side with talent over management.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 24, 2022 13:41:43 GMT -5
A lot of communication issues funny enough started when Chris Daniels and QT Marshall (who do a lot of the talent work) started taking outside bookings. Now at the end of the day Tony needs to sort things out since he now has two wrestling promotions and Fulham to run. That being said, this is par for the course for Gresham. While I wouldn't say he's like a Low Ki or Austin Aries or Teddy Hart where he's unprofessional in the ring, he is very much difficult to work with behind the scenes. There's a reason why it took years and ROH being in a desperate spot for talent for him to get a legitimate shot at a bigger promotion. And for those talking about Terminus. Gresham threw a hissy fit after the 2nd show and basically shut things down because of a ref botch and the mixed reception of the show. They did have their 3rd show recently but from Gresham's own words Terminus is Baron Black's project now so any Terminus show is done by him. Great great wrestler, but again having followed his career I'm neither shocked by this nor do I really have much sympathy overall Homie quit his own promotion after the second show? Maybe he does need to take a break from wrestling. That's really odd. Yeah basically shut everything down because the 2nd show had a lot of issues both technically and in ring. Then a couple months later Gresham said that while he will still help with Terminus that was Baron Black's project while his was Modern Age Grappling. Again this is not to deflect blame from AEW as communication (whether Tony, Daniels or someone else) has been a clear issue. But Gresham has a history of overreacting (for lack of a better word) if he doesn't like how something goes
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 24, 2022 13:45:05 GMT -5
Gresham is a headache like Sasha but he's right this time. He was the ROH world champ and TK just booked him here and there to promote him. Plus the buildup seemed to have been non existent and it was focusing on Claudio. Plus the world title shouldve main evented curtain jerking was a terrible idea. It really show TK plays favorites and thats not how a boss should be IMO.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 24, 2022 13:47:25 GMT -5
Gresham is a headache like Sasha but he's right this time. He was the ROH world champ and TK just booked him here and there to promote him. Plus the buildup seemed to have been non existent and it was focusing on Claudio. Plus the world title shouldve main evented curtain jerking was a terrible idea. It really show TK plays favorites and thats not how a boss should be IMO. A boss plays favorites in other news grass is green
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 24, 2022 13:52:59 GMT -5
Gresham is a headache like Sasha but he's right this time. He was the ROH world champ and TK just booked him here and there to promote him. Plus the buildup seemed to have been non existent and it was focusing on Claudio. Plus the world title shouldve main evented curtain jerking was a terrible idea. It really show TK plays favorites and thats not how a boss should be IMO. A boss plays favorites in other news grass is green But the guy is the world champion of the other company you're running. Whether or not he's an asshole is irrelevant. He shouldn't be kept in the dark about his plans
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 13:54:38 GMT -5
Another case of both sides being in the wrong making a situation worse than it needed be, by my estimates.
TK is going through growing pains at this and I can appreciate that, but don't go on a buying spree until you have things under control. If Christopher Daniels can't do a better job than this at talent relations, get someone better. Sorry, but is what it is. Even WWE had someone in talent relations that wasn't from the wrestling world for a time.
As for Gresham? Eh, dude seems like he can be a whole ass that takes himself way too serious. That's nothing new in the wrestling industry, though.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 24, 2022 13:56:08 GMT -5
A boss plays favorites in other news grass is green But the guy is the world champion of the other company you're running. Whether or not he's an asshole is irrelevant. He shouldn't be kept in the dark about his plans I was making a joke about the boss playing favorites as legit every boss does that. But again I've openly said communication being a consistent issue to be addressed though SRS pretty much said he doesn't put that on Tony as there is a department now (though at end of the day if that continues to be an issue Tony does have to make changes) But again, I've seen Gresham and Jordynne both cry wolf too many times
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jul 24, 2022 13:57:33 GMT -5
Hm.
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Post by grunt on Jul 24, 2022 13:57:40 GMT -5
Oh, so that's why he came out without the usual bells and whistles, wearing his Sasha Banks face, never really played heel during the match, and why it overall felt like the bout never really kicked into higher gear (it felt more like a solid tv main event than a big championship match and Claudio's first big title).
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 24, 2022 13:58:05 GMT -5
Another case of both sides being in the wrong making a situation worse than it needed be, by my estimates. TK is going through growing pains at this and I can appreciate that, but don't go on a buying spree until you have things under control. If Christopher Daniels can't do a better job than this at talent relations, get someone better. Sorry, but is what it is. Even WWE had someone in talent relations that wasn't from the wrestling world for a time. As for Gresham? Eh, dude seems like he can be a whole ass that takes himself way too serious. That's nothing new in the wrestling industry, though. Again Gresham basically closed a company after its 2nd show because he was mad about a botch and how the general feeling of the show was "meh" and because the fans felt his vision for a promotion was boring
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Post by markymark on Jul 24, 2022 14:04:24 GMT -5
And supposedly Deppen(and Shane Taylor) were mocking TK before TK called Deppen...
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Post by Bo Rida on Jul 24, 2022 14:11:31 GMT -5
I though Bad Communication was a Ganbare thing.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 24, 2022 14:12:34 GMT -5
It sounds like there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides. Khan may want to rethink Christopher Daniels as talent relations guy if he ghosts people like this because you can't do that. If the people under him aren't doing their jobs, you get new people.
On the other end, Gresham has all the talent in the world but a massive chip on his shoulder. And this sorta thing is why it took him so long to get the world title in the Sinclair ROH to begin with. Then you've got Jordynne who is really similar to him in personality and kind of an enabler. He's not Low Ki or Austin Aries level of scum, but he can be a headache.
If I was Khan, I'd give Gresham a bit to cool off. If he still wants his release while calm and rational, then grant it.
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Post by markymark on Jul 24, 2022 14:13:14 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 24, 2022 14:15:30 GMT -5
Tony has done a great job but AEW is probably too big now to be dealing with all of the talent by himself. He probably needs a management team at this stage if lack of communication is a problem. Yeah, going by the accounts of wrestlers who've brought this up it sounds like a combination of the company growing too big very quickly and Khan potentially not growing his talent relations department in tandem, and Khan potentially being one of those bosses who doesn't want to be seen as "the bad boss" by telling people straight up that he might not have future plans for them, instead just letting them twist in the wind until their deals are up. I mean, it's nice that they can work indies or some other promotions in the meantime, it's nice we haven't seen the whole "ninety day no-compete clause" thing, but if I'm one of the wrestlers and in that spot I'm sitting around wondering what my future's supposed to look like, and if the answer is a simple "Sorry man, not working out right now, maybe in the future", cool, tell me that so I can plan accordingly. Of course I have no actual idea what the story is, none of us are privy to the exact goings on backstage, but this is a promotion that's gotten exponentially larger since its launch and now has a connected sister promotion with many of its own roster members, and Khan has used terms like "a good friend" when talking about some of the wrestlers during media scrums or what have you. On the former, if you're going to be such a big destination, capable of having one of the top rosters on the planet and able to throw big money around to make it happen, you need to be organized to handle all levels of that roster, from the main eventers down to the lower midcard acts, and have things covered for international talents you want to sign or for some wrestlers who might feel they're missing chances to communicate ideas. Like, even Thunder Rosa recently said she hasn't had a prolonged in-person conversation with Khan for awhile now, and Billy Gunn has commented on feeling frustrated at times with how chaotic backstage can feel; given the larger size of the company and ROH being a factor now, too, Khan needs to both be present as much as he can be and delegate more, since there's no way one person is going to be able to hear out the whole roster while handling booking duties and everything else. On the latter point, you can't really be a good boss if you're trying to be too good a friend, so they say. If you can't be the bad guy now and then, that's a problem; if you can't be fully upfront to people about what their spot is, what their future on the show looks like, or other things like that out of fear they might be unhappy with you, you're going to end up making more people unhappy because they'll perceive you as uncommunicative, which will often be taken as disrespect. That sounds like Gresham's complaint here: he was a brand's champion and wanted to know what the vision was, and didn't feel he was getting that. If I had to hazard a guess, something tells me he was blindsided by the switch to Prince Nana last night, and that might've been the straw that broke the camel's back. Like, he already felt his heel turn was rushed, he felt his title match didn't receive enough build, but now the thing he might've hung his hat on, that he'd be the main player in a heel stable led by one of the Four Horsemen, suddenly isn't there anymore (for reasons we still don't know)? I can see that creating a lot of frustration, and Gresham's always had a chip on his shoulder to begin with, so I'm guessing that was his breaking point. End of the day, he has Jim Ross working with him; JR would likely be the first to say that he knows what it means to have to be the bad guy from the office, to take the bosses thoughts and distill them, especially when it's bad news, to the individual wrestlers. If Khan hasn't fleshed out that side of the office to grow in concert with the roster and the overall size of the two promotions he's now running, and if Khan himself seemingly isn't equipped to deliver that bad news himself (or if Chris Daniels feels uncomfortable with it, as well), you need to get someone in there who is...not because you need someone who's a mean-spirited jerk, but because you need someone who'll be honest, even if that honesty can feel brutal at times, because tough communication is better than passive silence. Can't really be the big promotion you want to be until you get that kind of stuff squared away, and you can do it without transforming your office or backstage area into a clone of WWE's, if that's what you want to avoid. EDIT: Aaaaaaaand as I wrote this all out I see Janela is clarifying things for people. Ok, so Khan himself will communicate and answer people who reach out to him, which is good. Wonder if there's any issues depending on how some wrestlers are wired, e.g. if some are more willing to loudly advocate for themselves than others are, and that might create different perceptions since Khan might address the more proactive on the regular. But yeah, still leaves a matter of whether talent relations is being communicative enough, it seems.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 24, 2022 14:18:03 GMT -5
And supposedly Deppen(and Shane Taylor) were mocking TK before TK called Deppen...
I mentioned this in the Death Before Dishonor thread. They made comments about not kissing enough ass. Though Deppen has since gotten some looks on Dark/Elevation. I think the only talent I've really seen criticize Tony is Swole, and that was after Tony was an ass on twitter about her. Now again if this continues to be an issue Tony is likely going to have to re-evaluate who is in Talent Relations but that's not unheard of. It's been pretty well documented that since Amanda Huber, Aubrey Edwards, and Mark Henry took over Community Outreach from Brandy and Cody, the department improved a lot... but those changes only happend cause Cody and Brandy left.
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Post by dreidemy on Jul 24, 2022 14:20:06 GMT -5
Gresham takes himself too serious and in the long run is his own worst enemy
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jul 24, 2022 14:32:26 GMT -5
Not absolving Tony because ultimately, he’s the captain of the ship. But it does seem like a talent relations issue, and it does seem like as great of a wrestler Christopher Daniels is, he’s pretty shitty at his job.
And while I get in some sense why Gresham is upset, but he has a bad rep for being a hothead. So he gets zero sympathy for me for acting unprofessional.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jul 24, 2022 14:40:47 GMT -5
Gresham takes himself too serious and in the long run is his own worst enemy Is it really such a bad thing to take yourself so seriously? Obviously not to this extent but, it’s a weird criticism to say somebody cares too much. Not everyone has Kevin Nash’s nonchalance about everything.
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