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Post by eJm on Aug 3, 2022 10:39:49 GMT -5
Well, no, but the point is that if they were to do that, she has the experience to do so. Which is different from “not being good at anything”. And coaching does involve more than just executing a dropkick. She may not be going to Tony Khan and running through a three month Jade storyline. But she will be there to help them tell stories in and out of the ring. She will be there to help them carry themselves and come across like stars. Solid coaching there can enhance every element of the division including the creative. It might not be the same exact way considering the experience already on the roster but it’s essentially the difference between whoever was training the women to wrestle during the early 00s and getting Finlay and Sara Del Ray to train the women. And Madison, really, has seen and done it all so it might not be something a Toni Storm or Athena need but a Skye Blue or a Leyla Hirsh when she’s back? Extremely beneficial. |
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Post by Cyno on Aug 3, 2022 10:46:40 GMT -5
Not sure she’s going to be involved in creative at all. The press release doesn’t mention that (while it does for Dutt and QT). Well, no, but the point is that if they were to do that, she has the experience to do so. Which is different from “not being good at anything”. Rayne isn't the most technically gifted wrestler, but she's a good all rounder. Solid if not unspectacular. She's also good at promo work and carrying herself. It's not like she's Velvet Sky or anything. She was pretty good at commentary too (and considering she was working off Josh Matthews that's saying something, though they are married so I guess that helped). She's a good hand to have. Saying she isn't good at anything is flat out wrong. |
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Post by Convoy on Aug 3, 2022 10:48:58 GMT -5
Sneak demotion for CD after the issues raised previously?
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Post by eJm on Aug 3, 2022 10:54:22 GMT -5
Sneak demotion for CD after the issues raised previously? The press release says he’s serving the same role he always has so I’m guessing this is them actually expanding the team he has around him instead of what likely happens is him running around like a headless chicken. |
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Post by markymark on Aug 3, 2022 10:55:43 GMT -5
Seems that TK has finally delegated some of his duties.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 10:58:09 GMT -5
Glad the company is willing and able to address these sorts of issues. It can only help them in the long run.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 3, 2022 10:58:44 GMT -5
Progress is good. It's easy to feel like ntohing'll change, but I feel way better about continuing to hope for improvement when there's actually steps being taken to improve things. Broadening out the office to match how much the company has grown is a really good step to staving off the trouble.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Aug 3, 2022 10:58:57 GMT -5
A company with a good feedback loop is fantastic. Nice to see corrections being made. Because right now, AEW's biggest problem is structural.
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Post by eJm on Aug 3, 2022 10:59:15 GMT -5
Seems that TK has finally delegated some of his duties. I mean, talent relations was never his responsibility. Nor, really, should it be. It’s what CD was there for but the issue is that with an expanding roster, you need more than Daniels and you need people to know what’s going on and whose responsible for what. The people were there, they just needed the positions. |
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Post by markymark on Aug 3, 2022 11:00:08 GMT -5
I dont understand the Madison disrespect, she was never amazing in the ring but she helped Impact with scouting talent(Giselle Shaw, Deonna Purazzo) and was part of creative(she helped getting Allie over in 2016).
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Post by Burst on Aug 3, 2022 11:09:57 GMT -5
One of my big pet peeves with wrestling fans in general is the inability to acknowledge that a given wrestler (active, retired, or otherwise) might have useful abilities beyond their in-ring skills. Especially for folks that are part-timers or semi-retired, if you've got someone who can do X as their main thing while also being around as someone to coach or agent or just be a sounding board for the more active roster, who can also be thrown into a squash match or tag match as need be, I don't know how that's somehow a problem as long as they can do their main job well.
That being said, I feel like CD as the entirety of the talent relations may have been fine when AEW was first starting out and pretty much through the Daily's Place era, but with the sheer size of the roster now, and bringing ROH on board, I imagine he's probably been swamped for a while now, even with him barely wrestling. Once you're at that point of being overstretched or understaffed, it doesn't really matter how good or bad you might've been at it, because stuff is just going to slip through anyway. Glad it does seem like they're working to compensate for that.
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 3, 2022 11:11:03 GMT -5
Good to see more delegation within AEW given how big the roster is now.
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Post by khali on Aug 3, 2022 11:16:58 GMT -5
It remains very cool that Tony Schiavone has a prominent role in wrestling again, including off screen now. Great vindication for a guy who got unfairly maligned.
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Post by eJm on Aug 3, 2022 11:17:41 GMT -5
One of my big pet peeves with wrestling fans in general is the inability to acknowledge that a given wrestler (active, retired, or otherwise) might have useful abilities beyond their in-ring skills. Especially for folks that are part-timers or semi-retired, if you've got someone who can do X as their main thing while also being around as someone to coach or agent or just be a sounding board for the more active roster, who can also be thrown into a squash match or tag match as need be, I don't know how that's somehow a problem as long as they can do their main job well. It’s why, for all the flaws the guy might have in terms of getting a character, you can absolutely see why Curtis Axel was trusted to get Brock and Rock back to ring shape. There was nothing ever wrong with his cardio or ring awareness, I’d argue he’s one of the better third generation wrestlers not named Randy Orton, and you’d likely trust him to not be a bad teacher if needed. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 3, 2022 11:18:38 GMT -5
She has been a coach before and I've heard good things but it seems like she wants to focus on being a performer right now. And she can certainly help folks she works in the ring with. But I think they wanted someone who could focus 100% of their energy on coaching. You can argue that people wearing too many hats in AEW is a detriment, so Deeb being able to focus on just being a performer instead of player coach with more dedicated coaches is a good thing. What happens with Christopher Daniels now? The press release says Daniels remains as Manager of Talent Relations. Not sure who has more power between him and Buck. |
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Post by Cyno on Aug 3, 2022 11:22:27 GMT -5
One of my big pet peeves with wrestling fans in general is the inability to acknowledge that a given wrestler (active, retired, or otherwise) might have useful abilities beyond their in-ring skills. Especially for folks that are part-timers or semi-retired, if you've got someone who can do X as their main thing while also being around as someone to coach or agent or just be a sounding board for the more active roster, who can also be thrown into a squash match or tag match as need be, I don't know how that's somehow a problem as long as they can do their main job well. This is a problem with sports fans in general. A lot of great players make mediocre or outright terrible coaches because their ego is too big or they're just bad at communicating or teaching. Meanwhile some of the best coaches and managers of all time were average players or never even played the sport at any pro level. It can be just as true in wrestling as it is in real sports. Hell it's true of sports media, too. Look at how ESPN and their ilk acted when Magic Johnson became president of basketball operations of the Lakers. They thought he was going to lead them to a new golden age because of how great a player he was. Instead it was a disaster. |
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Aug 3, 2022 11:46:43 GMT -5
Sometimes the people who are super good at something physical suck at coaching because they can't explain _how_ to do something. They themselves just do it, it just comes naturally to them.
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Post by sportatorium on Aug 3, 2022 11:46:54 GMT -5
Coaching or training requires communication skills that can reach a variety of people and meet them where they are. I've coached a ton of youth soccer and technical X's and O's matter much less than the ability to connect with players and get them to understand why we are asking them to do or not do something. I would think that Madison Rayne's background in creative and in ring would set her up well to enhance those communication skills to the current group of wrestlers.
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 3, 2022 11:52:11 GMT -5
I dont understand the Madison disrespect, she was never amazing in the ring but she helped Impact with scouting talent(Giselle Shaw, Deonna Purazzo) and was part of creative(she helped getting Allie over in 2016). I've also liked her team with Tenille Dashwood (and previously, with Kaleb as a trio) in Impact, so I'm fine with this. |
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Aug 3, 2022 11:52:56 GMT -5
One of my big pet peeves with wrestling fans in general is the inability to acknowledge that a given wrestler (active, retired, or otherwise) might have useful abilities beyond their in-ring skills. Especially for folks that are part-timers or semi-retired, if you've got someone who can do X as their main thing while also being around as someone to coach or agent or just be a sounding board for the more active roster, who can also be thrown into a squash match or tag match as need be, I don't know how that's somehow a problem as long as they can do their main job well. This is a problem with sports fans in general. A lot of great players make mediocre or outright terrible coaches because their ego is too big or they're just bad at communicating or teaching. Meanwhile some of the best coaches and managers of all time were average players or never even played the sport at any pro level. It can be just as true in wrestling as it is in real sports. Hell it's true of sports media, too. Look at how ESPN and their ilk acted when Magic Johnson became president of basketball operations of the Lakers. They thought he was going to lead them to a new golden age because of how great a player he was. Instead it was a disaster. Same applies for Jerry West. And vice versa for Phil Jackson. Decent enough player, legendary coach. Mileage may vary. |
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