markymark
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Post by markymark on Aug 3, 2022 11:58:19 GMT -5
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 3, 2022 12:06:16 GMT -5
Can't help but feel suspicious about singling out Madison for the complaints because you don't even need to look to X example from elsehwere for justification; look at the other people in this press release who were wrestlers, and you see people who never really amounted to too much. Sonjay Dutt's on-screen legacy is a running joke of Kevin Nash saying he was on steroids. Pat Buck spent five years in OVW/FCW and had a relatively unspectacular indie career. QT Marshall is fine. He's fine. He's absolutely fine. He's a journeyman of very little renown. If you were to look at any of them on the merits of their in-ring careers you'd be laughed for thinking they were bound for those roles.
But Sonjay had a hand in producing the decently well received Ring Ka King and spent years as a producer in WWE. Pat Buck not only spent some years as a producr in WWE, but opened Create A Pro a decade ago, and that school has been responsible for so much AEW talent that Taz and Excalibur will joke about it on Dark commentary sometimes. QT was a producer well before he showed up on-screen and he's also got a wrestling school. Those are dudes who it makes sense to put into those roles; they have ample backstage experience.
But Madison, despite also having that experience, is the one who gets doubted. You know what I mean?
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Post by dpg on Aug 3, 2022 12:08:53 GMT -5
Madison has done a very good job for Impact for a while now, can't see why she won't for AEW. Christy Hemme has come back in backstage, so she'll probably slot in.
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kidkamikaze10
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Aug 3, 2022 12:10:02 GMT -5
The person I'm suspicious of is QT Marshall, because of his comments on the women's division.
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Post by dpg on Aug 3, 2022 12:21:37 GMT -5
One thing I do have to say, is that in Impact Madison helped booked and produce the KOs for a while. But Impact had the will from the top to push it and focus on it. You can bring in coaches etc for AEWs women division, but nothing will change until it's pushed consistently.
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Post by salz4life on Aug 3, 2022 12:47:30 GMT -5
It remains very cool that Tony Schiavone has a prominent role in wrestling again, including off screen now. Great vindication for a guy who got unfairly maligned. From what he has said, his passion was really on the production side of things so he is in a great position!
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 3, 2022 12:50:17 GMT -5
Remains to be seen how it'll go but it is good to see them at least making these kinds of moves. It's better than just ignoring the problems.
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Burst
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Post by Burst on Aug 3, 2022 13:00:52 GMT -5
But Sonjay had a hand in producing the decently well received Ring Ka King and spent years as a producer in WWE. As a complete aside, I'd almost completely forgotten about Ring Ka King, and now that I think back I really wish that had gotten to go longer. I always love it when wrestling adapts itself for the cultural nuances of a given audience, and at least based off the various Indian soap operas I've seen vis-a-vis having Indian in-laws... they actually nailed the vibe pretty damn well. I can't remember if it fell apart because of it falling during Jeff Jarrett's weird GFW time period or if it was just the local TV deal falling apart, or if it was always intended as a limited series, but for all the attempts that American wrestling has made to penetrate the Indian market, it's legit the only one that felt like an earnest attempt and not just clumsy pandering.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 3, 2022 13:01:25 GMT -5
As long as Rayne stays behind the curtain. I know nothing about her behind the scenes stuff except what I've read here but I'm beyond sick of her in front of the camera. That whole group of her, Sky, and Love. Throw in Mandy Leon too.
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Post by clifford on Aug 3, 2022 13:15:55 GMT -5
Can't help but feel suspicious about singling out Madison for the complaints because you don't even need to look to X example from elsehwere for justification; look at the other people in this press release who were wrestlers, and you see people who never really amounted to too much. Sonjay Dutt's on-screen legacy is a running joke of Kevin Nash saying he was on steroids. Pat Buck spent five years in OVW/FCW and had a relatively unspectacular indie career. QT Marshall is fine. He's fine. He's absolutely fine. He's a journeyman of very little renown. If you were to look at any of them on the merits of their in-ring careers you'd be laughed for thinking they were bound for those roles. But Sonjay had a hand in producing the decently well received Ring Ka King and spent years as a producer in WWE. Pat Buck not only spent some years as a producr in WWE, but opened Create A Pro a decade ago, and that school has been responsible for so much AEW talent that Taz and Excalibur will joke about it on Dark commentary sometimes. QT was a producer well before he showed up on-screen and he's also got a wrestling school. Those are dudes who it makes sense to put into those roles; they have ample backstage experience. But Madison, despite also having that experience, is the one who gets doubted. You know what I mean? Excellently pointed out. This shit is so predictable.
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Post by lildude8218 on Aug 3, 2022 13:27:12 GMT -5
Schiavone has been helping out with editing of the taped shows for a while now too.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 3, 2022 14:21:53 GMT -5
Also, just to point out, the two biggest criticisms of AEW in recent months have been a failing in talent relations and the women's division needing more direction. AEW has now taken steps to address both of these. Should they have done it earlier? Probably. But thankfully, AEW/Khan aren't above realizing there are flaws and looking to correct them. That's quite refreshing for a mainstream wrestling company. Time will tell if its enough but I have hope that if it isn't, AEW will make more changes.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 3, 2022 14:23:51 GMT -5
Am I imagining this or didn't Madison briefly work as a coach at the PC too or at least do a guest seminar?
Sounds like it's not just about expanding Talent Relations but also really making an inner circle (pun not intended) for Tony you can also had Jerry Lynn into that group.
Also while not a demotion for Daniels I think it's clear there were enough issues they decided to put people above him rather than promote him
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Post by eJm on Aug 3, 2022 14:46:18 GMT -5
Am I imagining this or didn't Madison briefly work as a coach at the PC too or at least do a guest seminar? Sounds like it's not just about expanding Talent Relations but also really making an inner circle (pun not intended) for Tony you can also had Jerry Lynn into that group. Also while not a demotion for Daniels I think it's clear there were enough issues they decided to put people above him rather than promote him I think she did a guest coach because the only other time was her brief cameo in the first Mae Young Classic.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 3, 2022 14:56:51 GMT -5
Am I imagining this or didn't Madison briefly work as a coach at the PC too or at least do a guest seminar? Sounds like it's not just about expanding Talent Relations but also really making an inner circle (pun not intended) for Tony you can also had Jerry Lynn into that group. Also while not a demotion for Daniels I think it's clear there were enough issues they decided to put people above him rather than promote him I think she did a guest coach because the only other time was her brief cameo in the first Mae Young Classic. Gotcha. Either way Madison, Sonjay, Pat, and Tony all have history in creative too and for being good communicators... also for being very creative.
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Aug 3, 2022 15:00:25 GMT -5
Tony, thinking: We need the most roided out motherf***er in the company on our team. Someone who doesn't sleep or breathe anything but the gas.
Sonjay walking by: hey whats up
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Convoy
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Post by Convoy on Aug 3, 2022 15:26:40 GMT -5
You can argue that people wearing too many hats in AEW is a detriment, so Deeb being able to focus on just being a performer instead of player coach with more dedicated coaches is a good thing. What happens with Christopher Daniels now? The press release says Daniels remains as Manager of Talent Relations. Not sure who has more power between him and Buck. For most companies, a VP has more power than a Manager. My view of this is Sonjay, QT and Buck have all leapfrogged Daniels.
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Post by Legion on Aug 3, 2022 15:49:38 GMT -5
Kinda surprised Regal hasn't been given a bigger role backstage given his experience. Though maybe he doesnt want one.
This group seems like the same group who were already doing things, just with official titles now.
Plus Madison Rayne, who I always thought was perfectly fine in the roles she's had at Impact. Always wondered why WWE never gave her a shot about a decade ago. Anything that suggests a better focus for the women in AEW is good.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 3, 2022 16:23:58 GMT -5
Kinda surprised Regal hasn't been given a bigger role backstage given his experience. Though maybe he doesnt want one. This group seems like the same group who were already doing things, just with official titles now. Plus Madison Rayne, who I always thought was perfectly fine in the roles she's had at Impact. Always wondered why WWE never gave her a shot about a decade ago. Anything that suggests a better focus for the women in AEW is good. Regal mentioned even in WWE he was pretty much a consultant and on screen figure only since 2019 and he's happy to keep that role now due to health issues he had
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Post by Burst on Aug 3, 2022 16:41:23 GMT -5
Re: Daniels, regardless of how good or bad he was doing, I also wonder if he might've wanted to back off on the amount of work too; he's always been a guy that's had side gigs going on, and now that most everything is all the way back open, what's to say he didn't want to go be in Universal Studios' Waterworld show again?
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