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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 17, 2022 20:18:03 GMT -5
Down 18% from last year’s go-home show. The last four weeks are down 16% year-over-year. (Source: Meltzer boards) And a good chunk of that is due to the cable TV audience shrinking. TV as a whole is down. Taking that into account, there's still a year over year decline but you'd expect that when you brought in three major stars around this time last year. Four week average year to year for Raw is down about 5%, for Smackdown about 7.5%, for Dynamite 16%, for Rampage 44%.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 17, 2022 20:21:23 GMT -5
And a good chunk of that is due to the cable TV audience shrinking. TV as a whole is down. Taking that into account, there's still a year over year decline but you'd expect that when you brought in three major stars around this time last year. Four week average year to year for Raw is down about 5%, for Smackdown about 7.5%, for Dynamite 16%, for Rampage 44%. That's great for those shows. My point was television is down as a whole which exaggerates year to year decreases. That means RAW and SmackDown are actually holding steady if not up as a whole while Dynamite is only slightly behind. And given that was their hottest period and they're still charting well, it's overall still a decent place to be.
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Post by flowercity on Nov 17, 2022 20:24:10 GMT -5
Starting to think the PPV number is bad CM Punk is coming back
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 20:25:42 GMT -5
Starting to think the PPV number is bad CM Punk is coming back internet would melt if he interfered in the main event and Moxley never gets to take his freakin vacation haha
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 17, 2022 20:27:19 GMT -5
You think TK will have a thank you viewers tweet today? Someone needs to watch him this weekend. Either hide the stash or get a new one.
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Post by The Trashman on Nov 17, 2022 21:25:23 GMT -5
Once again this just proves that Dynamite is much closer to NXT than being real competition for Raw. Instead of building momentum for a ppv they are ice cold.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 17, 2022 21:40:45 GMT -5
Behold, another ruinous collapse for the esteem of your niche freak sideshow. When you realize there is no marketability in a man who doesn't care and in the interest Sahara of athletic, fast-paced wrestling, you will go mad like protagonists from the pages of Lovecraft, unable to reconcile your failures and your ostracization from society with the continued march of a world that cares not for you. Bask in this number for it is the highest you shall ever see again. The rains beat down heavy upon your fetid t-shirt company, and the mud will give out soon beneath your feet F***, these anecdotes are starting to become very overdramatised and unrealistic.
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Post by RareTradU on Nov 17, 2022 21:46:53 GMT -5
I tuned in last night for the first time in a few weeks and I felt like I didn't miss anything. The wrestlers put on great matches every Dynamite but without that special something to bring the viewers in every week I can see this trend continuing. I'm a fan of long term booking but some of these feuds have been going on for a year. It's very repetitive. Hopefully this weekend will shake things up a bit.
Does anyone feel MJF as a face/tweener might not be a good draw?
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Nov 17, 2022 22:03:35 GMT -5
Dynamite, Love & Hip Hop, Survivor: 0.0
Dog.avi: 7.77777777777777777777777777777777
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Post by King Devitt on Nov 17, 2022 22:07:34 GMT -5
Full Gear feels like it has the least amount of hype going into it if any AEW PPV in a long time. TK needs to use Full Gear as a major reset. The product has felt listless and not all that compelling for months now. Use the PPV as a way to start over. This is what I'm hoping as well. Great wrestling is nice to have, but you also need to make the show compelling. There's a lot of potential in the Full Gear PPV, and moving forward. Hopefully TK realizes this and is able to pivot. (also when ROH becomes it's own entity that will help a lot and I may start watching full shows again, right now it's too much biding time, also feuds are allowed to end Tony )
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Post by tntchamp on Nov 17, 2022 22:45:49 GMT -5
Yikes to the rating. I feel AEW has been very directionless for the last month or two and kind of dull. I agree Tony needs to use Full Gear as a soft reboot or fresh start. There just seems to be not much of a reason to invest in the product right now. I am certainly curious to see what Full Gear will draw in terms of buyrates because the show feels cold besides the main event.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 17, 2022 22:53:29 GMT -5
I would just caution folks against using one rating to plant your flag about anything AEW needs to do. This is one of the examples I point to. Here are some 18-49 ratings earlier this year:
09 February 0.41 02 February 0.35 26 January 0.41 19 January 0.44 12 January 0.39 05 January 0.43
You know what took place on that February 2nd show which was the clear low point? It was the 1st Punk/MJF match. The one built up for months. The feud that had been doing big numbers in every segment. And it continued to do pretty well! But for whatever reason, folks didn't tune in that week. Now patterns matter and overall they're down a bit. But I wouldn't see this week in particular as a big deal. Even next week is a bit weird since it's Thanksgiving Eve which typically hurts AEW. All we can do is see the monthly patterns and go from there.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 17, 2022 22:59:38 GMT -5
I would just caution folks against using one rating to plant your flag about anything AEW needs to do. This is one of the examples I point to. Here are some 18-49 ratings earlier this year: 09 February 0.41 02 February 0.35 26 January 0.41 19 January 0.44 12 January 0.39 05 January 0.43 You know what took place on that February 2nd show which was the clear low point? It was the 1st Punk/MJF match. The one built up for months. The feud that had been doing big numbers in every segment. And it continued to do pretty well! But for whatever reason, folks didn't tune in that week. Now patterns matter and overall they're down a bit. But I wouldn't see this week in particular as a big deal. Even next week is a bit weird since it's Thanksgiving Eve which typically hurts AEW. All we can do is see the monthly patterns and go from there. A single show's rating, high or low, is completely irrelevant unless you're a trigger happy network executive looking for an excuse to cancel a series. Trends matter a lot more and until this week they've been hovering around .35 and 900k-1 million+ outside of major news stories (so pretty much the opposite of NXT there where they watch no matter what the hell is happening in the outside world). If this is the new normal, that's worrying. If things are back to normal after the holiday weekend, it's just a statistical outlier.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Nov 18, 2022 2:30:12 GMT -5
Yikes to the rating. I feel AEW has been very directionless for the last month or two and kind of dull. I agree Tony needs to use Full Gear as a soft reboot or fresh start. There just seems to be not much of a reason to invest in the product right now. I am certainly curious to see what Full Gear will draw in terms of buyrates because the show feels cold besides the main event. I agree 100%, it is such an absurdly bloated product that I find it incredibly hard to invest at the moment. As an aside, it is astoundingly baffling that ROH is still being spoken of as an actual thing when they can’t even present a competent B-show.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 18, 2022 3:07:54 GMT -5
Yikes to the rating. I feel AEW has been very directionless for the last month or two and kind of dull. I agree Tony needs to use Full Gear as a soft reboot or fresh start. There just seems to be not much of a reason to invest in the product right now. I am certainly curious to see what Full Gear will draw in terms of buyrates because the show feels cold besides the main event. I agree 100%, it is such an absurdly bloated product that I find it incredibly hard to invest at the moment. As an aside, it is astoundingly baffling that ROH is still being spoken of as an actual thing when they can’t even present a competent B-show. Rampage has been pretty good for a bit now and they've clearly stepped up the match quality and what goes on at the shows for it ROH gets some segments, title matches, and progression for the show that's reported to be announced soon, don't really see the issue.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 18, 2022 3:15:36 GMT -5
Once again this just proves that Dynamite is much closer to NXT than being real competition for Raw. Instead of building momentum for a ppv they are ice cold. One rating literally proves nothing, let alone some extreme projection that they were ever trying to compete with WWE or RAW in the first place But that would lead me to bring up that WWE were the ones that tried to attack them and bring them down from the very beginning and failed by throwing NXT at them, and people just like to ignore that and act like AEW's failing at their grand goal, when that was never their goal at the onset, it was to be an alternative, and up till this one singular week, the ratings had been very consistent, but now they're "Ice cold". It's annoying, to say the least, and I really think these ratings threads start bringing out the worst takes about wrestling companies.
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Post by clifford on Nov 18, 2022 5:03:56 GMT -5
Yes its only one rating but I would consider myself a very, very, VERY big fan of AEW, and even I have found a lot of Dynamites since All Out quite a chore to get through, and most of the Rampages have felt like an afterthought. I do get why some people might be tuning out or DVR'ing instead of watching live; there isn't a lot going on in AEW right now that you feel you HAVE to watch live, like there was this time last year for instance.
They have a chance to knock one out of the park this weekend with a blow away PPV and set up some fantastic programmes in the coming months that will draw these live viewers back.
Basically, I don't give a shit about the ratings if the shows themselves are great, but if I see a correlation in the shows' quality and a ratings dip (and again, I know this is only one week but it seems they aren't #1 in the demo as much as they have been lately) then it does indicate a need to freshen things up.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 18, 2022 7:33:38 GMT -5
Random bad drop for sure. I do agree with some that I do think AEW has been spinning their wheels for a bit. I think there'd a couple things that have been set up that will be good going forward.
Could be a blip could just be people tuning out cause it's the go home show (even as a big AEW fan IMO the go home shows tend to be pretty weak)
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Post by champchumpchange on Nov 18, 2022 7:41:01 GMT -5
I do hope some angles get wrapped, because if anything, I do think the shows are great, but that some of the feuds have run their course. BCC/JAS and Jungle Boy/Christian Cage need to move on from each other after Full Gear. So do Jade v Nyla Acclaimed v Swerve
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Post by champchumpchange on Nov 18, 2022 7:42:01 GMT -5
Behold, another ruinous collapse for the esteem of your niche freak sideshow. When you realize there is no marketability in a man who doesn't care and in the interest Sahara of athletic, fast-paced wrestling, you will go mad like protagonists from the pages of Lovecraft, unable to reconcile your failures and your ostracization from society with the continued march of a world that cares not for you. Bask in this number for it is the highest you shall ever see again. The rains beat down heavy upon your fetid t-shirt company, and the mud will give out soon beneath your feet F***, these anecdotes are starting to become very overdramatised and unrealistic. That’s the gimmick brother brother
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