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Post by Kalmia on Nov 18, 2022 15:43:38 GMT -5
Gonna say it again: I cannot wrap my head around this take, even though I see it everywhere now. Just about every ROH title match on AEW TV is an AEW guy against an AEW guy with very few exceptions. I get the critique that it's contributed to the roster bloat, that's fair, but this reads to me like "the belts are the wrong color so I don't like watching them" or something. Honestly it's the same thing to me with Storm having the "interim" tag and people freaking about that. It's fake, I don't care. I think the problem is that it just doesn't feel organic at all. Even though it involves AEW wrestlers it still doesn't seem like a part of AEW if that makes sense. It seems pretty obvious that Tony is featuring ROH so much because he wants to lock down a media deal for that product instead of feeling like ROH enhances the AEW product. Right. It's hard to invest in ROH title matches and angles when the end goal is for it all to be shifted to its own show. Why should I care about the ROH title when I might never see it again? I'd rather the time be given to the TNT or TBS titles as they're here to stay.
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Post by BlahBlah on Nov 18, 2022 15:57:03 GMT -5
I think the problem is that it just doesn't feel organic at all. Even though it involves AEW wrestlers it still doesn't seem like a part of AEW if that makes sense. It seems pretty obvious that Tony is featuring ROH so much because he wants to lock down a media deal for that product instead of feeling like ROH enhances the AEW product. Right. It's hard to invest in ROH title matches and angles when the end goal is for it all to be shifted to its own show. Why should I care about the ROH title when I might never see it again? I'd rather the time be given to the TNT or TBS titles as they're here to stay. Particularly at a time when ROH as a standalone product had almost 0 momentum.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 18, 2022 16:37:24 GMT -5
So, as I figured, they didn't get the big lead in this week This just happens sometimes. Big Bang Theory usually gets AEW started on a better foot, 1.2 to 1.1 Million which usually lasts for the entire first hour with a bit of a drop. This week? It started at 900K, and stayed around the same margins This just happens, and it isn't a parallel to the show sometimes, it's just the amount of people watching TV and the audience AEW can retain from that, and this isn't the first or last time that's probably going to fluctuate.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 18, 2022 17:21:37 GMT -5
I think this isn’t a huge issue unless it translates to a disappointing PPV number.
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 18, 2022 17:42:10 GMT -5
I think the problem is that it just doesn't feel organic at all. Even though it involves AEW wrestlers it still doesn't seem like a part of AEW if that makes sense. It seems pretty obvious that Tony is featuring ROH so much because he wants to lock down a media deal for that product instead of feeling like ROH enhances the AEW product. Right. It's hard to invest in ROH title matches and angles when the end goal is for it all to be shifted to its own show. Why should I care about the ROH title when I might never see it again? I'd rather the time be given to the TNT or TBS titles as they're here to stay. Yep, it was tolerable at first because it seemed short-term while they sorted out a TV deal but the longer that takes the more that's an issue. There's even a chance it never comes and then the various titles might be phased out or unified and it's all been for nothing. Plus it can often be hard to see much difference in levels between the TV title, pure title, tnt title and all-atlantic title so it reduces the importance of all of them. (ROH title was in this group when Gresham had it but I think it's been elevated since) Finally the crowd wanting ftr fighting for all the gold and it not happening. Leads to weird stuff like Swerve in their glory beating a team with three sets of belts so they can face another team with one championship.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 19, 2022 5:51:09 GMT -5
I think the problem is that it just doesn't feel organic at all. Even though it involves AEW wrestlers it still doesn't seem like a part of AEW if that makes sense. It seems pretty obvious that Tony is featuring ROH so much because he wants to lock down a media deal for that product instead of feeling like ROH enhances the AEW product. Right. It's hard to invest in ROH title matches and angles when the end goal is for it all to be shifted to its own show. Why should I care about the ROH title when I might never see it again? I'd rather the time be given to the TNT or TBS titles as they're here to stay. I'd say mainly because most of the ROH belts have been used to further AEW wrestler vs. AEW wrestler storylines, particularly Jericho antagonizing Claudio/Danielson and Garcia and Yuta having their main event spot. Hasn't always done this, granted; Joe hasn't really used the TV title to further a storyline within AEW, and FTR will only really do it for the first time when we get to them defending against the Gunns. Again, I do get the take that it's contributed to the oversized roster, and I agree that having so many belts at once feels unwieldy, but it feels like the take on the ROH stuff is that it's being sequestered into its own corner of the show, removed from the proceedings of what's happening in AEW and keeping AEW wrestlers off the show, when that really hasn't been the case at any point outside of a showcase match here or there for folks like Dalton Castle or Bandido (who's now officially an AEW wrestler due to that match, anyway).
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 19, 2022 5:56:31 GMT -5
Honestly the JAS vs. BCC has just been dragged out entirely too long as well. It’s gone on for ages, yet it feels like nothing has really progressed.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 19, 2022 6:01:54 GMT -5
Honestly the JAS vs. BCC has just been dragged out entirely too long as well. It’s gone on for ages, yet it feels like nothing has really progressed. They've been feuding for what, six months now? Is this them trying to create like what New Japan have with all the factions constantly in feud with each other? I dunno, just guessing.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 19, 2022 7:51:49 GMT -5
Jericho feuds ever since MJF tend to drag on in general.
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Post by Kalmia on Nov 19, 2022 15:27:37 GMT -5
Right. It's hard to invest in ROH title matches and angles when the end goal is for it all to be shifted to its own show. Why should I care about the ROH title when I might never see it again? I'd rather the time be given to the TNT or TBS titles as they're here to stay. I'd say mainly because most of the ROH belts have been used to further AEW wrestler vs. AEW wrestler storylines, particularly Jericho antagonizing Claudio/Danielson and Garcia and Yuta having their main event spot. Hasn't always done this, granted; Joe hasn't really used the TV title to further a storyline within AEW, and FTR will only really do it for the first time when we get to them defending against the Gunns. Again, I do get the take that it's contributed to the oversized roster, and I agree that having so many belts at once feels unwieldy, but it feels like the take on the ROH stuff is that it's being sequestered into its own corner of the show, removed from the proceedings of what's happening in AEW and keeping AEW wrestlers off the show, when that really hasn't been the case at any point outside of a showcase match here or there for folks like Dalton Castle or Bandido (who's now officially an AEW wrestler due to that match, anyway). The problem is that despite liking the individual wrestlers involved, both the story and the belts mean nothing to me, so it's two layers of I don't care. That makes it worse. It's angles that are dragging on too long because Khan doesn't want to do anything drastic with ROH but he still wants it to be featured. It's funny that you look to Castle and Bandido as examples of ROH guys as I'd really much rather watch either of them.
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Post by Breadville on Nov 19, 2022 18:15:00 GMT -5
I feel like the whole company is just in a stale state right now, so the sliding ratings aren't that surprising to me (Even though it's not like the ratings are flat-out tanking). The past few shows haven't been bad, haven't been good, they have just 'been'.
The MJF/Moxley feud had potential, but I don't feel like it has lived up to what it should've been. I am DEFINITELY NOT SAYING PUNK WAS A VICTIM OR IN THE RIGHT WITH WHAT HE DID, but I feel like his exit has definitely been felt. If the ratings continue around this range, I think that's pretty solid evidence that those who tuned in to see him again definitely aren't sticking around to see AEW without him.
I still don't understand why they don't give Danielson a run, but that comes from a selfish place as a big fan of his.
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