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Post by chrom on Dec 1, 2022 13:58:40 GMT -5
Yuta suffered the most from it, he went from a breakout star with his performances to just another body on the roster.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 1, 2022 14:06:39 GMT -5
Yuta suffered the most from it, he went from a breakout star with his performances to just another body on the roster. It's amazing how Yuta lost the Pure title three months ago and he's only had three matches on TV since and only one of those was a singles match. He had more matches on TV in April than he has in the past three months combined.
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Post by chrom on Dec 1, 2022 14:10:11 GMT -5
Yuta suffered the most from it, he went from a breakout star with his performances to just another body on the roster. It's amazing how Yuta lost the Pure title three months ago and he's only had three matches on TV since and only one of those was a singles match. He had more matches on TV in April than he has in the past three months combined. Absurd after the response he got when he faced Danielson and defiantly spat in his face.
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Post by chrom on Dec 1, 2022 14:12:13 GMT -5
Some people can overcome booking not fully capitalizing on their momentum and still be over like Eddie Kingston or FTR or like 2017-18 Finn Balor who always got great reactions despite the feeling that he should be doing more. Some people are really hurt though if you don't strike when the iron's hot. Daniel Garcia isn't as over as he was a few months ago when he first won the Pure title and people were begging for him to turn on Jericho. Ruby Soho clearly lost overness after losing so many title matches. Athena was beaten so easily by Jade she was pretty much forced to turn heel because you couldn't take her serious as a top face anymore. Do not get me started on how ice cold Athena has become, it seemed like they intentionally went out of their way after she debuted to make her a joke.
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Post by flowercity on Dec 1, 2022 14:16:32 GMT -5
No booker has ever had a talent cool off before only Tony has managed this Has anyone said it implied this?
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Post by eJm on Dec 1, 2022 14:22:57 GMT -5
Do not get me started on how ice cold Athena has become, it seemed like they intentionally went out of their way after she debuted to make her a joke. Not being funny but have you watched the last couple of weeks of TV?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 1, 2022 14:24:40 GMT -5
Do not get me started on how ice cold Athena has become, it seemed like they intentionally went out of their way after she debuted to make her a joke. Not being funny but have you watched the last couple of weeks of TV? No, he hasn't, he publicly said he was boycotting AEW after Sammy Guevara main evented after the Andrade incident (Even after it was revealed Andrade was the main problem) Yet when a thread complaining about wrestlers in the company pops up, just try and stop him I guess?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 1, 2022 14:27:07 GMT -5
No booker has ever had a talent cool off before only Tony has managed this Has anyone said it implied this? It certainly feels like they lay it on thick as an AEW problem and not something that's happened in every single promotion ever. And much worse than AEW, mind you. I watched Hogan Era TNA, where they cooled down originals so hard you'd swear it was the ice age. A lot of these talents are still getting large reactions when they show up and are still very over. None of them are lost acts, "Just bodies on the roster", or even outright failures at this moment in time. Just because they aren't a hard focus now doesn't mean they ever will be again, and AEW's proven to have a really good track record with that tbh
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Post by chrom on Dec 1, 2022 14:27:48 GMT -5
Do not get me started on how ice cold Athena has become, it seemed like they intentionally went out of their way after she debuted to make her a joke. Not being funny but have you watched the last couple of weeks of TV? I'm talking her ''feud'' with Cargill. Which consisted every week of her being beaten down, never allowed to get a single word in, lost every matchup and not once ever presented as being a threat or an equal.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 1, 2022 14:31:14 GMT -5
The Garcia thing is really just such a gigantic, "What was the freaking point?" He was pretty much rendered completely irrelevant within the JAS when Sammy joined since Sammy's the one pegged as the bigger deal and the longterm project, the Bryan story did a lot to put a spotlight on him and really put him on the map while giving him some much-needed fleshing out of his character, and then the end result was him going right back to the spot he was at before as the useless third-stringer of the JAS except now with a pointless gimmick belt with stupid rules repping a dead company. It accomplished nothing. I think what may have happened here is if Regal's leaving and BCC is dissolving, him going there would have been a waste, so he stuck to JAS I dont personally see this as an issue or something that will hurt Garcia, he's still good, he still gets reactions, and he's a good jackass heel and his interactions with Hager are actually really funny. Eventually I think he will move on, but I don't think the timing was there yet.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 1, 2022 14:32:07 GMT -5
Wardlow is fine. The TNT title is still a mid-card title and he's pretty heavily featured.
FTR got unlucky but Tony would have been berated more had he not pulled the trigger on the Acclaimed.
I agree the Garcia booking is strange
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Post by champchumpchange on Dec 1, 2022 14:32:40 GMT -5
Some people can overcome booking not fully capitalizing on their momentum and still be over like Eddie Kingston or FTR or like 2017-18 Finn Balor who always got great reactions despite the feeling that he should be doing more. Some people are really hurt though if you don't strike when the iron's hot. Daniel Garcia isn't as over as he was a few months ago when he first won the Pure title and people were begging for him to turn on Jericho. Ruby Soho clearly lost overness after losing so many title matches. Athena was beaten so easily by Jade she was pretty much forced to turn heel because you couldn't take her serious as a top face anymore. Do not get me started on how ice cold Athena has become, it seemed like they intentionally went out of their way after she debuted to make her a joke. She did that on her own with those stupid ass wings.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 1, 2022 14:32:52 GMT -5
Not being funny but have you watched the last couple of weeks of TV? I'm talking her ''feud'' with Cargill. Which consisted every week of her being beaten down, never allowed to get a single word in, lost every matchup and not once ever presented as being a threat or an equal. Which isn't true at all, she got in brawls with Jade multiple times, got promos, and overall was positioned as a challenger to Jade who could legitimately beat her And while the match was short, Athena almost won it in seconds, she hit the O Face, and Jade got pulled out of the ring Her new aggressive heel persona has given her a standout gimmick in AEW even more so than the Jade feud. Her knocking out Aubrey got the reaction of the night.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 1, 2022 14:35:58 GMT -5
Has anyone said it implied this? It certainly feels like they lay it on thick as an AEW problem and not something that's happened in every single promotion ever. And much worse than AEW, mind you. I watched Hogan Era TNA, where they cooled down originals so hard you'd swear it was the ice age. A lot of these talents are still getting large reactions when they show up and are still very over. None of them are lost acts, "Just bodies on the roster", or even outright failures at this moment in time. Just because they aren't a hard focus now doesn't mean they ever will be again, and AEW's proven to have a really good track record with that tbh Are we going to pretend that Hogan-era TNA didn’t get a ton of criticism for doing that? Or that people haven’t made similar complaints for years about WWE?
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Post by Cyno on Dec 1, 2022 14:39:25 GMT -5
It certainly feels like they lay it on thick as an AEW problem and not something that's happened in every single promotion ever. And much worse than AEW, mind you. I watched Hogan Era TNA, where they cooled down originals so hard you'd swear it was the ice age. A lot of these talents are still getting large reactions when they show up and are still very over. None of them are lost acts, "Just bodies on the roster", or even outright failures at this moment in time. Just because they aren't a hard focus now doesn't mean they ever will be again, and AEW's proven to have a really good track record with that tbh Are we going to pretend that Hogan-era TNA didn’t get a ton of criticism for doing that? Or that people haven’t made similar complaints for years about WWE? That's kind of the point being made. This is hardly unique to AEW or Tony Khan.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 1, 2022 14:41:24 GMT -5
Are we going to pretend that Hogan-era TNA didn’t get a ton of criticism for doing that? Or that people haven’t made similar complaints for years about WWE? That's kind of the point being made. This is hardly unique to AEW or Tony Khan. It’s certainly a valid criticism, though. And not one people are piling on just one promotion about. Maybe calling it the “Tony Khan Special” makes it seem unique to him, but it’s certainly something that seems to be happening a lot lately.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 1, 2022 14:41:27 GMT -5
It certainly feels like they lay it on thick as an AEW problem and not something that's happened in every single promotion ever. And much worse than AEW, mind you. I watched Hogan Era TNA, where they cooled down originals so hard you'd swear it was the ice age. A lot of these talents are still getting large reactions when they show up and are still very over. None of them are lost acts, "Just bodies on the roster", or even outright failures at this moment in time. Just because they aren't a hard focus now doesn't mean they ever will be again, and AEW's proven to have a really good track record with that tbh Are we going to pretend that Hogan-era TNA didn’t get a ton of criticism for doing that? Or that people haven’t made similar complaints for years about WWE? No, I was just pointing out I've seen companies do this "cool down" or cut off at the knees shit way worse than I've ever seen AEW do it with a talent to this point. I think AEW's current issue is they need to get their roster in order, mainly ROH out of there, and Punk's incident screwed up a ton of storylines and directions for current acts that have only felt like they're getting rectified since Full Gear as a soft reset. I can't really look at the talents listed and consider them dropped balls or that they still aren't very over now or still being kept warm by being put in feuds or matches on television. Some like Athena haven't even been with the company HALF A YEAR yet, so I'm willing to see where the talents go. Wardlow as an example, getting a feud with Samoa Joe, is going to be some fantastic on screen stuff, from the promos to the ring, and I think it'll benefit him greatly.
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Post by eJm on Dec 1, 2022 14:42:39 GMT -5
Not being funny but have you watched the last couple of weeks of TV? I'm talking her ''feud'' with Cargill. Which consisted every week of her being beaten down, never allowed to get a single word in, lost every matchup and not once ever presented as being a threat or an equal. That wasn’t my question. You said she was cold now. Did you watch last week where she was the first person to hit Audrey in AEW?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 1, 2022 14:42:56 GMT -5
I do have to say that proportionate to how many people AEW has on its roster I feel like the amount of them I have like any investment in whatsoever at this point in time is incredibly small. Like looking over the roster Hangman, the Acclaimed, Christian, Darby when he's doing singles stuff, Eddie, Keith Lee, Miro when he exists, MJF when he shuts the f*** up about WWE, OC, PAC, Hobbs, Starks, Joe, Ruby, I think that's literally all of them.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 1, 2022 14:43:50 GMT -5
That's kind of the point being made. This is hardly unique to AEW or Tony Khan. It’s certainly a valid criticism, though. And not one people are piling on just one promotion about. Maybe calling it the “Tony Khan Special” makes it seem unique to him, but it’s certainly something that seems to be happening a lot lately. Some acts could be in a better position or place than they currently are in December 2022 of AEW, that's a valid criticism Calling it the "Tony Khan Special" is the exact type of bait title that ensues these kinds of arguments and makes it less about the talent and more about bashing AEW and imo inflating the issues presented, which is what's annoying about it.
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