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Post by ChitownKnight on Jul 31, 2023 15:16:03 GMT -5
Yeah, hate to say it guys, but seeing Punk live at Forbidden Door and Collision, the crowd is very invested in him, whether to cheer or to boo. I don't personally care that much; I liked his Kojima match a lot, and I get people not liking having Cena flashbacks with "he's acting like a face but getting booed" (or in some cases "he's acting like a heel but getting cheered") stuff or whatever, but he's getting major, very loud reactions and it means they're gonna lean into it. I'm ok with giving some of it more time, too; Ricky cheating just started, he hasn't done anything so far beyond the pale that it makes him an irredeemable scumbag against noble, saintly Punk, and Punk's gladly leaned into playing heelish since this comeback, too. And anything that doesn't impact on-screen stuff in a negative way is something I can't be arsed to care about at the moment. Booing doesnt mean invested. If they stay quiet it just makes him seem like he is universally accepted. Split reactions are not a good thing, never were Tell that to the biggest pro wrestling star of the 21st century |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jul 31, 2023 15:50:07 GMT -5
Yeah, hate to say it guys, but seeing Punk live at Forbidden Door and Collision, the crowd is very invested in him, whether to cheer or to boo. I don't personally care that much; I liked his Kojima match a lot, and I get people not liking having Cena flashbacks with "he's acting like a face but getting booed" (or in some cases "he's acting like a heel but getting cheered") stuff or whatever, but he's getting major, very loud reactions and it means they're gonna lean into it. I'm ok with giving some of it more time, too; Ricky cheating just started, he hasn't done anything so far beyond the pale that it makes him an irredeemable scumbag against noble, saintly Punk, and Punk's gladly leaned into playing heelish since this comeback, too. And anything that doesn't impact on-screen stuff in a negative way is something I can't be arsed to care about at the moment. Split reactions are not a good thing, never were Not in the slightest bit, that's not how wrestling works, and much as I haven't agreed with the comparisons at large, that's just ignoring ten years of John Cena's run and how successful it was no matter how much a portion of the fans loathed his booking. Punk has had crowds invested in him from the jump. He doesn't seem to have a ton of Go Away heat he has legitimate cheers and legitimate boos for how people see him for what he did and how he acts on TV People walking away during his segments, actively not reacting, or the ratings plummeting when he's on screen would all be giant tells on if this wasn't working or if Punk was being panned by the general AEW audience. Ratings are usually up or the highest when he's on screen for shows, his merch is still a top seller, and he does not have people in large droves actively boycotting the product. Split reactions are fine, I can't speak on how Punk will keep taking the direction because it hasn't happened yet, but Punk's been playing off the Hogan WCW stuff pretty hard and it's showing in his booking. Whether it will be a success or failure will remain to be seen, but idk, at this point it's safe to say the people who hate Punk aren't gonna change their minds, but, TO THIS POINT, nothing has happened upon his return to indicate they've made a huge mistake in letting him come back... I must stress to this point again lol |
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Post by Dub H on Jul 31, 2023 15:51:21 GMT -5
Booing doesnt mean invested. If they stay quiet it just makes him seem like he is universally accepted. Split reactions are not a good thing, never were Tell that to the biggest pro wrestling star of the 21st century There is a good argument to be made that the split reactions hurt WWE and made then lose viewers over time. The split reactions doesnt subtract both mans large fanbases but it also damage the companies popularity |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 31, 2023 15:53:40 GMT -5
Booing doesnt mean invested. If they stay quiet it just makes him seem like he is universally accepted. Split reactions are not a good thing, never were Tell that to the biggest pro wrestling star of the 21st century Yeah Cena didn't well but wouldn't it have been better if he hadn't had such split reactions? Despite what WWE wants us to think, the top face getting consistently booed isn't a good thing. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jul 31, 2023 15:57:40 GMT -5
Tell that to the biggest pro wrestling star of the 21st century There is a good argument to be made that the split reactions hurt WWE and made then lose viewers over time. The split reactions doesnt subtract both mans large fanbases but it also damage the companies popularity The company that's about to potentially have an 88K seated arena doesn't seem to be hurting in popularity right now, in fact some people said this is the hottest the company has felt in ages. Punk's been drawing viewers in his segments... he as of this point and time has not done any damage to the company. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jul 31, 2023 15:58:41 GMT -5
Tell that to the biggest pro wrestling star of the 21st century Yeah Cena didn't well but wouldn't it have been better if he hadn't had such split reactions? Despite what WWE wants us to think, the top face getting consistently booed isn't a good thing. In the end, Cena is a 15 time champion, will be a hall of famer, one of the top merch sellers of all time, and had a historic run Would it have been better if WWE weren't stubborn? Maybe. But it worked, and Cena getting booed almost turned into an endearing thing by the back half of it, so who's to say? I don't think Punk is John Cena, I couldn't tell you if this is how he'll stay or if he will go full heel in due time, especially with MJF still staying face like he is, but I don't think it's a recipe for disaster, but again, Punk's only really been back for two months and this storyline just started this week with the belt, it's gonna need time to really show what it's about |
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Post by Dub H on Jul 31, 2023 16:05:15 GMT -5
There is a good argument to be made that the split reactions hurt WWE and made then lose viewers over time. The split reactions doesnt subtract both mans large fanbases but it also damage the companies popularity The company that's about to potentially have an 88K seated arena doesn't seem to be hurting in popularity right now, in fact some people said this is the hottest the company has felt in ages. Punk's been drawing viewers in his segments... he as of this point and time has not done any damage to the company. the 88k was well before Punk's push and AEW has great reputation with PPVs. AEW is also the only televised wrestling company not to grow this year and suffered greatly after the scrum to get back on track. It was also a slow decline for WWE. Hurting doesnt mean out of business, did I ever say WWE was ever in any danger of not selling shows with Cena? |
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Post by Dub H on Jul 31, 2023 16:05:52 GMT -5
There is a good argument to be made that the split reactions hurt WWE and made then lose viewers over time. The split reactions doesnt subtract both mans large fanbases but it also damage the companies popularity The company that's about to potentially have an 88K seated arena doesn't seem to be hurting in popularity right now, in fact some people said this is the hottest the company has felt in ages. Punk's been drawing viewers in his segments... he as of this point and time has not done any damage to the company. the 88k was well before Punk's push and AEW has great reputation with PPVs. AEW is also the only televised wrestling company not to grow this year and suffered greatly after the scrum to get back on track. It was also a slow decline for WWE. Hurting doesnt mean out of business, did I ever say WWE was ever in any danger of not selling shows with Cena? Just look how well WWE turned around when Roman WASNT a CONTROVERSIAL face, numbers sky rocketed |
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 31, 2023 16:12:23 GMT -5
Booing doesnt mean invested. If they stay quiet it just makes him seem like he is universally accepted. Split reactions are not a good thing, never were Tell that to the biggest pro wrestling star of the 21st century And the only one since the Attitude era to reach that level. If Cena wasn't keeping WWE afloat the way he was, the split reactions thing would have been seen as a collusal failure. You can't just replicate that with someone else and expect it to work. Cena was the exception, not the rule. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jul 31, 2023 16:15:53 GMT -5
The company that's about to potentially have an 88K seated arena doesn't seem to be hurting in popularity right now, in fact some people said this is the hottest the company has felt in ages. Punk's been drawing viewers in his segments... he as of this point and time has not done any damage to the company. the 88k was well before Punk's push and AEW has great reputation with PPVs. AEW is also the only televised wrestling company not to grow this year and suffered greatly after the scrum to get back on track. It was also a slow decline for WWE. Hurting doesnt mean out of business, did I ever say WWE was ever in any danger of not selling shows with Cena? Just look how well WWE turned around when Roman WASNT a CONTROVERSIAL face, numbers sky rocketed AEW has shown year to year growth with certain weeks and has also been consistently drawing to venues still whether Punk is there or not, and when Punk came back, no one at Wembley was selling their tickets because he might be there. Idk what to tell you, but I know you don't like Punk and would rather this seemingly turn out badly due to how much you want him to fail, like some cosmic karma, but AEW isn't hurting or in some slow decline right now because of CM Punk, they've had a really good and successful year in multiple facets so far, but I'll leave it there, because we're never gonna agree on anything. |
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Post by stoptheclocks on Aug 1, 2023 2:13:12 GMT -5
the 88k was well before Punk's push and AEW has great reputation with PPVs. AEW is also the only televised wrestling company not to grow this year and suffered greatly after the scrum to get back on track. It was also a slow decline for WWE. Hurting doesnt mean out of business, did I ever say WWE was ever in any danger of not selling shows with Cena? Just look how well WWE turned around when Roman WASNT a CONTROVERSIAL face, numbers sky rocketed AEW has shown year to year growth with certain weeks and has also been consistently drawing to venues still whether Punk is there or not, and when Punk came back, no one at Wembley was selling their tickets because he might be there. Idk what to tell you, but I know you don't like Punk and would rather this seemingly turn out badly due to how much you want him to fail, like some cosmic karma, but AEW isn't hurting or in some slow decline right now because of CM Punk, they've had a really good and successful year in multiple facets so far, but I'll leave it there, because we're never gonna agree on anything. Just on a point of fact, not a lot of weeks with YOY growth here. 3 out of 30 by the looks of it... twitter.com/wrestlenomics/status/1683931337575501826?t=SwI214BmZb3STSabzHvHRQ&s=19As for Punk, Cena's immense popularity was in spite of the large number of people booing him, not because of it. WWE would've clearly preferred him to have been universally cheered. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 1, 2023 8:55:25 GMT -5
AEW has shown year to year growth with certain weeks and has also been consistently drawing to venues still whether Punk is there or not, and when Punk came back, no one at Wembley was selling their tickets because he might be there. Idk what to tell you, but I know you don't like Punk and would rather this seemingly turn out badly due to how much you want him to fail, like some cosmic karma, but AEW isn't hurting or in some slow decline right now because of CM Punk, they've had a really good and successful year in multiple facets so far, but I'll leave it there, because we're never gonna agree on anything. Just on a point of fact, not a lot of weeks with YOY growth here. 3 out of 30 by the looks of it... As for Punk, Cena's immense popularity was in spite of the large number of people booing him, not because of it. WWE would've clearly preferred him to have been universally cheered. Yeah I was about to say, the year over year in the ratings don’t show that AEW is the hottest it’s been. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 1, 2023 10:18:05 GMT -5
The difference between Punk and Cena is that Punk’s actually getting booed for reasons that *make sense*.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2023 12:19:02 GMT -5
Not in the slightest bit, that's not how wrestling works, and much as I haven't agreed with the comparisons at large, that's just ignoring ten years of John Cena's run and how successful it was no matter how much a portion of the fans loathed his booking. Punk has had crowds invested in him from the jump. He doesn't seem to have a ton of Go Away heat he has legitimate cheers and legitimate boos for how people see him for what he did and how he acts on TV People walking away during his segments, actively not reacting, or the ratings plummeting when he's on screen would all be giant tells on if this wasn't working or if Punk was being panned by the general AEW audience. Ratings are usually up or the highest when he's on screen for shows, his merch is still a top seller, and he does not have people in large droves actively boycotting the product. Split reactions are fine, I can't speak on how Punk will keep taking the direction because it hasn't happened yet, but Punk's been playing off the Hogan WCW stuff pretty hard and it's showing in his booking. Whether it will be a success or failure will remain to be seen, but idk, at this point it's safe to say the people who hate Punk aren't gonna change their minds, but, TO THIS POINT, nothing has happened upon his return to indicate they've made a huge mistake in letting him come back... I must stress to this point again lol I'm ready for Darkside CM Punk vs the Dungeon of Doom, Christian fits in the Kevin Sullivan role since he already has a dinosaur wrestling for him. Idk who else could join... Shark Boy, Danhausen, Satnam dressed up as a mummy, Nick Comoroto as the Human Grizzly-Bear. |
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Post by markymark on Aug 1, 2023 16:08:50 GMT -5
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Aug 1, 2023 16:24:28 GMT -5
Not in the slightest bit, that's not how wrestling works, and much as I haven't agreed with the comparisons at large, that's just ignoring ten years of John Cena's run and how successful it was no matter how much a portion of the fans loathed his booking. Punk has had crowds invested in him from the jump. He doesn't seem to have a ton of Go Away heat he has legitimate cheers and legitimate boos for how people see him for what he did and how he acts on TV People walking away during his segments, actively not reacting, or the ratings plummeting when he's on screen would all be giant tells on if this wasn't working or if Punk was being panned by the general AEW audience. Ratings are usually up or the highest when he's on screen for shows, his merch is still a top seller, and he does not have people in large droves actively boycotting the product. Split reactions are fine, I can't speak on how Punk will keep taking the direction because it hasn't happened yet, but Punk's been playing off the Hogan WCW stuff pretty hard and it's showing in his booking. Whether it will be a success or failure will remain to be seen, but idk, at this point it's safe to say the people who hate Punk aren't gonna change their minds, but, TO THIS POINT, nothing has happened upon his return to indicate they've made a huge mistake in letting him come back... I must stress to this point again lol I'm ready for Darkside CM Punk vs the Dungeon of Doom, Christian fits in the Kevin Sullivan role since he already has a dinosaur wrestling for him. Idk who else could join... Shark Boy, Danhausen, Satnam dressed up as a mummy, Nick Comoroto as the Human Grizzly-Bear. Christian- *To Jack Perry* MY SON! MY SON!! |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 2, 2023 0:28:45 GMT -5
I don't think it would be a surprise to anyone that Punk is still a top merch seller. He probably always will be no matter where he goes.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Aug 2, 2023 4:12:44 GMT -5
Punk’s proven himself to be a dickhead, but idk, I find it hard to get worked up over him throwing shots at a t shirt website.
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Post by markymark on Aug 2, 2023 8:09:16 GMT -5
AEW has officially confirmed the Elite re-signing with the company, will that decrease some of the Punk hate? Its a wait and see situation.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 2, 2023 8:36:05 GMT -5
AEW has officially confirmed the Elite re-signing with the company, will that decrease some of the Punk hate? Its a wait and see situation. Not sure how that makes him any less of a dickhead. |
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