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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 13, 2023 23:05:54 GMT -5
They got ample amounts of screentime on the show tonight and it just... Didn't work. None of it worked. The matches sucked, Bianca and Asuka are basically the only ones who didn't look like utter goobers, and Asuka seemed to be the only thing anyone cared about.
Like... There's a lot of talent in the division for sure, but none of it's clicking and it feels like for a lot of them they don't even really have a lot of motivation at this point and are just phoning it in. Something needs to reinvigorate interest in things but I have no idea what that is and pretty much every match between notable names in the division has already been done to death by now.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 13, 2023 23:08:45 GMT -5
Well on the bright side, crowds have gotten noticeably more behind Rhea since her Rumble win, and that should bode well for her match with Charlotte--she also has a lot of potential fresh feuds ahead. In terms of the Raw division, there's an issue there with no one feeling remotely like a threat to Bianca, whose god-tier booking goes on. It's difficult to buy anyone in the Chamber as a threat to her at Mania when we've seen her beat Becky and Bayley without too much of a struggle.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 13, 2023 23:10:55 GMT -5
Give like everyone training on how to ad lib in a match when things don't go as planned
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 13, 2023 23:12:09 GMT -5
Unify the titles and pick someone new and push them to the moon - preferably Rhea. They have a ton of folks on the men's side who are super duper over right now with good storylines behind them. It's not rocket science. Just tell good stories and elevate someone who can have some depth behind them.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 13, 2023 23:37:31 GMT -5
I do wonder how much of the general apathy for the division boils down to how shit the music is these days. Becky, Bianca, and Natalya still have their old themes, Charlotte, Asuka, Liv, and Rhea have themes obviously derived from their old ones that start similarly, I'd argue those are the only somewhat over people in the division (yes I realize I'm ignoring Bayley, feels like she barely at all matters at this point) and everyone else except Ronda just has a bunch of dull droning garbage.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 13, 2023 23:39:17 GMT -5
Asuka beating Bianca and Rhea beating Charlotte would go a long way
As for the Tag Titles? Well Sasha and Naomi have only been proven right about those, they really don't give a shit and I don't see that changing, despite the depth of the division getting stronger, everyone's treated like jobbers to the higher tier of women and it's really not changing at all right now...
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Post by mistery on Feb 13, 2023 23:43:47 GMT -5
Give like everyone training on how to ad lib in a match when things don't go as planned I don't think you would need to give EVERYONE that. You have women like Iyo, Asuka, Dakota, Michin, Piper, etc who were on the indies who can do that stuff on the fly. Where it's blatantly obvious that almost anyone trained in the PC can't adlib worth a damn. As for the division itself, it would likely rejuvenate some interest if they take the titles off of Bianca and Charlotte at Mania, and break up Damage CTRL, pushing Dakota and Iyo as singles stars. They also need to cut down on the incredibly lengthy year long reigns. 6-8 months is generally good enough for top stars, 3-4 for establishing newer ones. Because as it stands, no one buys women like Bianca losing the title outside of Wrestlemania or Summerslam.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 13, 2023 23:53:10 GMT -5
Give like everyone training on how to ad lib in a match when things don't go as planned I don't think you would need to give EVERYONE that. You have women like Iyo, Asuka, Dakota, Michin, Piper, etc who were on the indies who can do that stuff on the fly. Where it's blatantly obvious that almost anyone trained in the PC can't adlib worth a damn. As for the division itself, it would likely rejuvenate some interest if they take the titles off of Bianca and Charlotte at Mania, and break up Damage CTRL, pushing Dakota and Iyo as singles stars. They also need to cut down on the incredibly lengthy year long reigns. 6-8 months is generally good enough for top stars, 3-4 for establishing newer ones. Because as it stands, no one buys women like Bianca losing the title outside of Wrestlemania or Summerslam. I do feel like this board can be way too quick to just completely fail to recognize hyperbole?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 13, 2023 23:56:36 GMT -5
How did it come across on TV for the main event
Being there they were quiet for the Main event and fans were the loudest for Bianca, Asuka and Becky
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 13, 2023 23:57:43 GMT -5
How did it come across on TV for the main event Being there they were quiet for the Main event and fans were the loudest for Bianca, Asuka and Becky Came off like they responded to the entrances then largely stopped caring about the match itself, other than a, "This is awesome!" chant that sounded very limp and like it was coming from a small handful of people, then they just died for the finish.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 14, 2023 0:00:44 GMT -5
How did it come across on TV for the main event Being there they were quiet for the Main event and fans were the loudest for Bianca, Asuka and Becky Came off like they responded to the entrances then largely stopped caring about the match itself, other than a, "This is awesome!" chant that sounded very limp and like it was coming from a small handful of people, then they just died for the finish. Pretty much way it was in the arena then Someone tried to get a Pipet Niven chant started
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 14, 2023 0:01:37 GMT -5
I think a lot of the problem is the lack of new blood. Or more specifically new blood that matters and feels like it could potentially go somewhere. It's a very veteran heavy roster with mainly women who have been there six years or more or women who have been brought back but are pegged as lowercard jobbers. Therefore as a result with the exception of Rhea it feels like there's really no energy or anything to get excited about as it's mainly women who have been there a long time and at this point know where they stand when it comes to their place in the company.
I would say of the midcard woman the only one who feels like they are on a good trajectory and might be someone who matters in the future is Raquel Rodriguez. Everyone else are present stars who they are putting all their eggs in the basket (Bianca, Rhea), have been big players for years and aren't very interesting anymore (Becky, Bayley, Charlotte), had title runs and brief flirts with the main event scene that didn't work and are now slotted as midcarders (Carmella, Liv), or never will be's (Xia Li, Emma, Dana Brooke). Therefore it's hard to care or get excited because there's nobody who feels it's worth getting invested into.
They really just need to pick say three women from NXT who they are both ready and whom they feel can all be stars and important members of the roster and just really push them. It would be a breath air and it would give the roster some much needed youth and energy instead of bunch of veterans in their mid 30's sleep walking through matches.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 14, 2023 0:03:41 GMT -5
I think we're kind of in a holding pattern until 'Mania's over.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 14, 2023 0:11:57 GMT -5
I think a lot of the problem is the lack of new blood. Or more specifically new blood that matters and feels like it could potentially go somewhere. It's a very veteran heavy roster with mainly women who have been there six years or more or women who have been brought back but are pegged as lowercard jobbers. Therefore as a result with the exception of Rhea it feels like there's really no energy or anything to get excited about as it's mainly women who have been there a long time and at this point know where they stand when it comes to their place in the company. I would say of the midcard woman the only one who feels like they are on a good trajectory and might be someone who matters in the future is Raquel Rodriguez. Everyone else are present stars who they are putting all their eggs in the basket (Bianca, Rhea), have been big players for years and aren't very interesting anymore (Becky, Bayley, Charlotte), had title runs and brief flirts with the main event scene that didn't work and are now slotted as midcarders (Carmella, Liv), or never will be's (Xia Li, Emma, Dana Brooke). Therefore it's hard to care or get excited because there's nobody who feels it's worth getting invested into. They really just need to pick say three women from NXT who they are both ready and whom they feel can all be stars and important members of the roster and just really push them. It would be a breath air and it would give the roster some much needed youth and energy instead of bunch of veterans in their mid 30's sleep walking through matches.
At 26, Rhea's the youngest woman on the main roster. As for Raquel, they do tend to give her that bit of protection--note how even tonight Asuka only took her out because she was already dealing with Carmella and Nikki on her. I think she's got a good year ahead of her but it will be interesting to see how they build her.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 14, 2023 0:20:20 GMT -5
They really just need to pick say three women from NXT who they are both ready and whom they feel can all be stars and important members of the roster and just really push them. It would be a breath air and it would give the roster some much needed youth and energy instead of bunch of veterans in their mid 30's sleep walking through matches. The funny thing is, this is precisely what they did with Belair, Ripley and probably Rodriguez. They called their shot with this like two years ago. Yet at this precise moment, Belair’s been booked so strong, she’s now part of the problem we’re looking for a solution to, Ripley’s only not there right now BECAUSE she wasn’t given the same hyper-rocket to the moon and has taken lumps along the way, and Rodriguez isn’t exactly setting the world on fire.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 14, 2023 0:24:26 GMT -5
They really just need to pick say three women from NXT who they are both ready and whom they feel can all be stars and important members of the roster and just really push them. It would be a breath air and it would give the roster some much needed youth and energy instead of bunch of veterans in their mid 30's sleep walking through matches. The funny thing is, this is precisely what they did with Belair, Ripley and probably Rodriguez. They called their shot with this like two years ago. Yet at this precise moment, Belair’s been booked so strong, she’s now part of the problem we’re looking for a solution to, Ripley’s only not there right now BECAUSE she wasn’t given the same hyper-rocket to the moon and has taken lumps along the way, and Rodriguez isn’t exactly setting the world on fire. And no matter what, the fans will always turn against you when you are on the top too long Bianca has been on a 2 year run. Asuka was on a 1 year run during pandemic and same thing with Bayley. Becky Lynch went almost a few years without losing. Charlotte has the number of titles but not really super long runs The heavy hitters are there, they just got to find a way to get the midcard interesting
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Post by gl83 on Feb 14, 2023 0:26:14 GMT -5
I think a lot of the problem is the lack of new blood. Or more specifically new blood that matters and feels like it could potentially go somewhere. It's a very veteran heavy roster with mainly women who have been there six years or more or women who have been brought back but are pegged as lowercard jobbers. Therefore as a result with the exception of Rhea it feels like there's really no energy or anything to get excited about as it's mainly women who have been there a long time and at this point know where they stand when it comes to their place in the company. I would say of the midcard woman the only one who feels like they are on a good trajectory and might be someone who matters in the future is Raquel Rodriguez. Everyone else are present stars who they are putting all their eggs in the basket (Bianca, Rhea), have been big players for years and aren't very interesting anymore (Becky, Bayley, Charlotte), had title runs and brief flirts with the main event scene that didn't work and are now slotted as midcarders (Carmella, Liv), or never will be's (Xia Li, Emma, Dana Brooke). Therefore it's hard to care or get excited because there's nobody who feels it's worth getting invested into. They really just need to pick say three women from NXT who they are both ready and whom they feel can all be stars and important members of the roster and just really push them. It would be a breath air and it would give the roster some much needed youth and energy instead of bunch of veterans in their mid 30's sleep walking through matches. The only NXT people that seem set to be called up are Indi Hartwell and the KC Express and neither of them are exactly game-changers. Maybe Zoey Stark, but that's it. Everyone else seems to have a long-term story in NXT right now(Cora, Roxanne, Jacy, GiGi, Alba)
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 14, 2023 0:29:05 GMT -5
The problem with Bianca is that she's been stuck picking the bones of a division that was already decimated by the Becky and Bayley year long reigns and the COVID firings. It was pretty much a skeleton crew where barely anyone had any momentum to begin with so by the time they built up Bianca by having her beat the same few people over and over it got to where it'd drag her down to actually lose to most of them.
If the division were healthy you could probably at least keep this reign mildly interesting, since she's a good wrestler and she still gets reactions, but even with me liking Bianca a lot more than I like most of the division I'm utterly tired of her because I've already seen her beat everyone there is to beat and her character never shows any sort of struggle or changes in any way.
What it feels like to me is that if you want to reinvigorate the division you need to introduce a lot of new blood, quickly, and actually position them immediately like they matter instead of how nearly everyone Triple H has brought back in recent months has been a complete jobber with no provided reason to get invested in them. Let people like Carmella and Natalya and Shayna who are already pretty much damaged goods be there to prop up the new faces who actually have some potential to be something.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 14, 2023 0:36:11 GMT -5
The problem with Bianca is that she's been stuck picking the bones of a division that was already decimated by the Becky and Bayley year long reigns and the COVID firings. It was pretty much a skeleton crew where barely anyone had any momentum to begin with so by the time they built up Bianca by having her beat the same few people over and over it got to where it'd drag her down to actually losing to most of them. If the division were healthy you could probably at least keep this reign mildly interesting, since she's a good wrestler and she still gets reactions, but even with me liking Bianca a lot more than I like most of the division I'm utterly tired of her because I've already seen her beat everyone there is to beat and her character never shows any sort of struggle or changes in any way. What it feels like to me is that if you want to reinvigorate the division you need to introduce a lot of new blood, quickly, and actually position them immediately like they matter instead of how nearly everyone Triple H has brought back in recent months has been a complete jobber with no provided reason to get invested in them. Let people like Carmella and Natalya and Shayna who are already pretty much damaged goods be there to prop up the new faces who actually have some potential to be something. I do wonder what they will do with Bianca when she drops the title If you are about to pull the trigger on Montez singles run, attaching her to him would not be worst thing. Somewhat copy Rhea booking but most people are expecting a Montez turn and idk if you really want to turn Bianca tho you can if really wanted to
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 14, 2023 0:43:55 GMT -5
I think a lot of the problem is the lack of new blood. Or more specifically new blood that matters and feels like it could potentially go somewhere. It's a very veteran heavy roster with mainly women who have been there six years or more or women who have been brought back but are pegged as lowercard jobbers. Therefore as a result with the exception of Rhea it feels like there's really no energy or anything to get excited about as it's mainly women who have been there a long time and at this point know where they stand when it comes to their place in the company. I would say of the midcard woman the only one who feels like they are on a good trajectory and might be someone who matters in the future is Raquel Rodriguez. Everyone else are present stars who they are putting all their eggs in the basket (Bianca, Rhea), have been big players for years and aren't very interesting anymore (Becky, Bayley, Charlotte), had title runs and brief flirts with the main event scene that didn't work and are now slotted as midcarders (Carmella, Liv), or never will be's (Xia Li, Emma, Dana Brooke). Therefore it's hard to care or get excited because there's nobody who feels it's worth getting invested into. They really just need to pick say three women from NXT who they are both ready and whom they feel can all be stars and important members of the roster and just really push them. It would be a breath air and it would give the roster some much needed youth and energy instead of bunch of veterans in their mid 30's sleep walking through matches. The only NXT people that seem set to be called up are Indi Hartwell and the KC Express and neither of them are exactly game-changers. Maybe Zoey Stark, but that's it. Everyone else seems to have a long-term story in NXT right now(Cora, Roxanne, Jacy, GiGi, Alba) I would say the three who are the most ready to me are Tiffany Stratton, Kiana James, and Isla Dawn in that they are the only three that seem to have the complete package. They can all work and they all have very distinct characters that would allow them transition easy. Tiffany I could easily see being a big star. With the other two while I don't if either would be main eventers I think the could easily be presented as credible talentes who could challenge for a title on a PPV or maybe have a short run. However at the moment though I can see why you wouldn't call any of them up. Kiana is currently in a storyline. Same with Isla who also is still pretty new so I could see them wanting her to stay longer. Tiffany doesn't have any feud or storyline right now but is also coming off an injury that sidelined her a while so I could see them wanting her to get settled back in first before making too drastic of a move with her.
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