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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 14, 2023 9:33:55 GMT -5
While I want Asuka to beat Bianca at Mania I certainly don't want Asuka to be similarly unstoppable. Ideally she'd have the belt until around SummerSlam, long enough to get some defenses under her belt and put some shine on her so that someone beating her means something but not long enough for it to get long in the tooth or to run into the same problem of her having no one fresh left to defend against.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 14, 2023 9:56:20 GMT -5
NxT currently has a good young nucleus but Im not sure any of them are ready (bar Roxane Perez and the ghosts of Toxic Attraction) but the main roster feels like an endless holding pattern of meaningless Damage Ctrl feuds
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Post by Chiral on Feb 14, 2023 13:10:36 GMT -5
I feel like 50/50 booking and "so unstoppable you face no challenges whatsoever making all of your content pointless to be invested in since nothing about it will ever change" are both bad on the level where I don't care if my absolute favorites had infinity power booking I'd be bored because there's just nothing to be invested in. "Wow they weren't challenged at all again and won easily for the five hundredth time" is super dull to me.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 14, 2023 13:12:42 GMT -5
I feel like 50/50 booking and "so unstoppable you face no challenges whatsoever making all of your content pointless to be invested in since nothing about it will ever change" are both bad on the level where I don't care if my absolute favorites had infinity power booking I'd be bored because there's just nothing to be invested in. "Wow they weren't challenged at all again and won easily for the five hundredth time" is super dull to me. Right, like, I've shit-talked Bayley for years and thought her year long title reign was basically completely without redeemable traits and in my opinion Bianca's one of the best women in the company and I still found their feud incredibly dull and frustrating because there was no entertainment value to be had in, "Bianca beats Bayley like a drum like 40 times and then the feud ends."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 13:17:19 GMT -5
I am trying to in my head figure out why HHH managed to book IYO's NXT reign damn nere perfectly and this was a woman who had a 300 day reign but never felt like it was ever running on fumes and it ended at exactly the time everyone felt it should have...even though it was absoloutley the wrong woman.
But yet he is doing the same with Bianca and it feels the complete opposite.
And it circles back to core issue with Bianca there is no vulnerability to her...IYO was booked strong but never unbeatable....HHH has to get back to that mindset a champion can look strong but quit making them unbeatable.
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Post by sportatorium on Feb 14, 2023 13:25:00 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who is asking for hierarchy. Do we think they have anything in place that lists the top babyfaces & heels in order? They are currently booking Rhea in a heel faction on Raw, but challenging the Smackdown champion. She is also the best heel in the entire women's division, but will undoubtedly get the biggest babyface reaction of all the women at Mania.
Why would they book Liv Morgan to go through the entire Royal Rumble with her elimination being completely protected just to have her eat a pin in a six woman TV match? This kind of thing tells the audience that they shouldn't care that much.
Nattie is officially a local woman. She's changed face & heel more times than I can count, I know when she gets stuck in a title program that it's because they don't have anyone else ready to go. Carmella is pretty much in the same spot.
Ronda & Shayna should be final bosses, and they may end up as a dominant tag team- but they don't seem like a real threat at the moment.
We need faces & heels, champions belong on TV and premium events defending titles. Sticking Bianca in that match last night did nobody any favors. We need stories with beginnings, middles & ends.
There is too much talent in the division for the garbage booking they receive.
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Post by dbrussel on Feb 14, 2023 13:34:06 GMT -5
I'm still laughing at Becky disappearing when she had Bayley covered after Bianca's KOD....like "i'm outta here since i'm not winning lol"
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 14, 2023 13:54:51 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who is asking for hierarchy. Do we think they have anything in place that lists the top babyfaces & heels in order? They are currently booking Rhea in a heel faction on Raw, but challenging the Smackdown champion. She is also the best heel in the entire women's division, but will undoubtedly get the biggest babyface reaction of all the women at Mania. Why would they book Liv Morgan to go through the entire Royal Rumble with her elimination being completely protected just to have her eat a pin in a six woman TV match? This kind of thing tells the audience that they shouldn't care that much. Nattie is officially a local woman. She's changed face & heel more times than I can count, I know when she gets stuck in a title program that it's because they don't have anyone else ready to go. Carmella is pretty much in the same spot. Ronda & Shayna should be final bosses, and they may end up as a dominant tag team- but they don't seem like a real threat at the moment. We need faces & heels, champions belong on TV and premium events defending titles. Sticking Bianca in that match last night did nobody any favors. We need stories with beginnings, middles & ends. There is too much talent in the division for the garbage booking they receive. Liv didn’t even eat a pin. They had her tap out, which is weird for her character as well.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 14, 2023 14:06:15 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who is asking for hierarchy. Do we think they have anything in place that lists the top babyfaces & heels in order? They are currently booking Rhea in a heel faction on Raw, but challenging the Smackdown champion. She is also the best heel in the entire women's division, but will undoubtedly get the biggest babyface reaction of all the women at Mania. Why would they book Liv Morgan to go through the entire Royal Rumble with her elimination being completely protected just to have her eat a pin in a six woman TV match? This kind of thing tells the audience that they shouldn't care that much. Nattie is officially a local woman. She's changed face & heel more times than I can count, I know when she gets stuck in a title program that it's because they don't have anyone else ready to go. Carmella is pretty much in the same spot. Ronda & Shayna should be final bosses, and they may end up as a dominant tag team- but they don't seem like a real threat at the moment. We need faces & heels, champions belong on TV and premium events defending titles. Sticking Bianca in that match last night did nobody any favors. We need stories with beginnings, middles & ends. There is too much talent in the division for the garbage booking they receive. Liv didn’t even eat a pin. They had her tap out, which is weird for her character as well. That was just bad booking. Why have someone last an hour in a Royal Rumble if they are just going to take the fall in a nothing six woman TV match by tapping out like a punk like two weeks later. Especially when you had plenty of other more suitable choices there. I get that they wanted to put Askua over but they should've had Carmella or Nikki get beat and then have Asuka snap and kill everyone after the match like she did anyways.
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Post by sportatorium on Feb 14, 2023 14:36:02 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who is asking for hierarchy. Do we think they have anything in place that lists the top babyfaces & heels in order? They are currently booking Rhea in a heel faction on Raw, but challenging the Smackdown champion. She is also the best heel in the entire women's division, but will undoubtedly get the biggest babyface reaction of all the women at Mania. Why would they book Liv Morgan to go through the entire Royal Rumble with her elimination being completely protected just to have her eat a pin in a six woman TV match? This kind of thing tells the audience that they shouldn't care that much. Nattie is officially a local woman. She's changed face & heel more times than I can count, I know when she gets stuck in a title program that it's because they don't have anyone else ready to go. Carmella is pretty much in the same spot. Ronda & Shayna should be final bosses, and they may end up as a dominant tag team- but they don't seem like a real threat at the moment. We need faces & heels, champions belong on TV and premium events defending titles. Sticking Bianca in that match last night did nobody any favors. We need stories with beginnings, middles & ends. There is too much talent in the division for the garbage booking they receive. Liv didn’t even eat a pin. They had her tap out, which is weird for her character as well. Sorry- you are correct. I'm conflating that stupid finish with the other stupid finish in the main event.
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Post by gl83 on Feb 14, 2023 19:50:39 GMT -5
I am trying to in my head figure out why HHH managed to book IYO's NXT reign damn nere perfectly and this was a woman who had a 300 day reign but never felt like it was ever running on fumes and it ended at exactly the time everyone felt it should have...even though it was absoloutley the wrong woman. But yet he is doing the same with Bianca and it feels the complete opposite. And it circles back to core issue with Bianca there is no vulnerability to her...IYO was booked strong but never unbeatable....HHH has to get back to that mindset a champion can look strong but quit making them unbeatable. Last night, Bianca basically singlehandedly laid waste to every female in the ringside area. The only person who was spared Bianca's "golden shovel" was Dakota and that's only because she's legit injured and not cleared to take any physical bumps.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 14, 2023 19:52:59 GMT -5
I am trying to in my head figure out why HHH managed to book IYO's NXT reign damn nere perfectly and this was a woman who had a 300 day reign but never felt like it was ever running on fumes and it ended at exactly the time everyone felt it should have...even though it was absoloutley the wrong woman. But yet he is doing the same with Bianca and it feels the complete opposite. And it circles back to core issue with Bianca there is no vulnerability to her...IYO was booked strong but never unbeatable....HHH has to get back to that mindset a champion can look strong but quit making them unbeatable. Last night, Bianca basically singlehandedly laid waste to every female in the ringside area. The only person who was spared Bianca's "golden shovel" was Dakota and that's only because she's legit injured and not cleared to take any physical bumps. She threw Iyo Sky onto them to do the same multi-person dive bump that is always done. A bit melodramatic to me to say she LAID WASTE to the entire division.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Feb 15, 2023 2:24:05 GMT -5
They need to devote more time to Becky's Giant Floating Head.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 15, 2023 12:14:14 GMT -5
I've said it before, but I really do think they need to just have one main women's belt, there's just not enough depth to support two full divisions on the main roster.
Second, I do kind of think the people saying "no super long reigns" have a point; it could be done well, but again when there's not a ton of depth in the division it's tough to make a long reign interesting since it'll just start feeling like the champ is steamrolling easy challengers.
I don't watch enough to offer much else, but that's my outsider take.
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Post by mistery on Feb 15, 2023 12:23:45 GMT -5
I've said it before, but I really do think they need to just have one main women's belt, there's just not enough depth to support two full divisions on the main roster. Second, I do kind of think the people saying "no super long reigns" have a point; it could be done well, but again when there's not a ton of depth in the division it's tough to make a long reign interesting since it'll just start feeling like the champ is steamrolling easy challengers. I don't watch enough to offer much else, but that's my outsider take. Having only one title is one thing, but then the problem pops up of WWE really not giving a damn about most non-title main roster women's feuds if it doesn't involve a horsewoman. If you aren't in the title picture on the main roster and aren't a horsewoman (or Bianca or Rhea), you will get little to no actual time or content to sink your teeth into.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 12:45:31 GMT -5
Normally reducing the ammount of titles would be a good thing.
But not for WWE's women because of how they treat pretty much the rest of their women who are not the main 2 champions at whatever time and those two champions usually end up being some circle of the exact same women getting their rotations in.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 15, 2023 15:32:02 GMT -5
What was the last good story in the women's division? I'm not expecting Bloodline here, but for the most part they are given very basic storylines ("let's fight for the belt!") and the match quality hasn't been good enough to overcome it.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 15, 2023 15:47:31 GMT -5
What was the last good story in the women's division? I'm not expecting Bloodline here, but for the most part they are given very basic storylines ("let's fight for the belt!") and the match quality hasn't been good enough to overcome it. Honestly as bad as it sounds I really can't think of any. There's been plenty of good matches and characters worth getting invested into but as far as just a good well written feud there's really nothing that comes to mind. NXT I think does a much better job when it comes women's feuds. Not that they are everyone's cup of tea but it at least feels like they try to have personal rivalries that are given fair amount of TV time while not just being about the title and I'm interested throughout what's going to happen next.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 15, 2023 15:58:48 GMT -5
What was the last good story in the women's division? I'm not expecting Bloodline here, but for the most part they are given very basic storylines ("let's fight for the belt!") and the match quality hasn't been good enough to overcome it. Honestly as bad as it sounds I really can't think of any. There's been plenty of good matches and characters worth getting invested into but as far as just a good well written feud there's really nothing that comes to mind. NXT I think does a much better job when it comes women's feuds. Not that they are everyone's cup of tea but it at least feels like they try to have personal rivalries that are given fair amount of TV time while not just being about the title and I'm interested throughout what's going to happen next. I should have mentioned that Rhea has been in a great story with Dominic and is non-coincidentally super over as a result.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 15, 2023 16:08:26 GMT -5
Honestly as bad as it sounds I really can't think of any. There's been plenty of good matches and characters worth getting invested into but as far as just a good well written feud there's really nothing that comes to mind. NXT I think does a much better job when it comes women's feuds. Not that they are everyone's cup of tea but it at least feels like they try to have personal rivalries that are given fair amount of TV time while not just being about the title and I'm interested throughout what's going to happen next. I should have mentioned that Rhea has been in a great story with Dominic and is non-coincidentally super over as a result. Even that though is a men's division storyline and outside the women's division.
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