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Post by avenger on Feb 16, 2023 13:12:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't even split the titles. Once Roman doesn't need the visual of two belts, I'd have the champion come out the day after Wrestlemania with just the one. Hate all this two title stuff. It devalues them both.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 16, 2023 13:15:48 GMT -5
And yes Cody does need the belt right now For all they sunk into him, he would look like a major fool for having all this fanfare and falling short. As the saying goes, you only get one chance to make a first impression and if Cody doesn't win the title RIGHT NOW it won't matter later. Sami is up there but he's just not there yet. He's got a shit ton of goodwill he can live off of coming off his fresh babyface turn Sami is not destroyed by taking an L to Roman, we have already seen that happen. Cody taking an L to Roman or not getting the most heat he can devalues him. Cody can easily lose the one title a month or two after and it won't hurt him as much because he shouldn't be built to be a conquerer but Roman has both titles and he needs to win both But you said it yourself, Roman is the guy, the final boss. If Sami becomes the second guy to beat Roman, he doesn't beat the final boss, it's a victory, but the guy that doesn't need the shine has got it all, and Sami's no longer beaten the guy, he's beaten a guy. And it would still be Sami biggest victory ever Let’s not get it twisted, if it wasn’t Mania season the Sami win would be on the table but the biggest factor is it is Mania season and you’re paying off 3 years of Roman booking for someone to get over Sami/KO is going to get a big victory at Mania with the tag titles. Could be the first time the tag titles actually main event a Mania. When/If Sami beats Roman that will still be his biggest victory ever. He will still have a shit ton of shine to gain from it Cody needs to beat Roman as the champion, Sami does not.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Feb 16, 2023 13:32:12 GMT -5
And yes Cody does need the belt right now For all they sunk into him, he would look like a major fool for having all this fanfare and falling short. As the saying goes, you only get one chance to make a first impression and if Cody doesn't win the title RIGHT NOW it won't matter later. Cody not winning the title at Wrestlemania this year would be similar to Lex Luger not winning the title at SummerSlam in 1993. Got to strike while the iron is hot, WWE may not get that chance to strike it in the future. Funnily enough I think a Summerslam 93 type scenario (minus the babyface celebrating like an idiot at the end) could potentially have worked if Cody didn't get injured and they did Roman/Cody at Summerslam last year. Cody's first promo back last year mentioned how Dusty beat the WWF champ but didn't win the title because it was via count-out. Something similar happening to Cody I feel could have made sense for the story at that time. Cody is clearly the better man and looks to be on the verge of winning until Roman gets himself DQ'd. Then Roman/Heyman say Cody had his chance and failed like hid daddy and will never get another shot. Cody obviously wins the Rumble and forces another shot then wins at Wrestlemania. Now though, obviously anything short of Cody winning the title at Wrestlemania will be a bad move. If he lost at this point I think it completely kills him as a top babyface and him finally winning the world title would end up having to be as a heel down the line.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 16, 2023 13:36:58 GMT -5
I will say, to WWE's credit, this is an enviable problem to even be having.
After what has been a long time, they not only have one viable face at the top, they have two. That's a good problem to have, really.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 16, 2023 14:23:38 GMT -5
As of now I’m still preferring that Cody beats Roman for the titles at Mania with Sami completing his KO arc and winning the tag titles, because I feel Hunter can keep Sami hot post-Mania without him winning the titles just yet. Cody dropping one of the titles at Backlash or in the spring to Sami sounds better to me than a triple threat ATM because I don’t know if Roman vs. Sami *has* to be a one-and-done this year. Especially If Roman’s got more stuff to do post-Mania before any assumed breaks.
Now if Sami wins and there must be a three-way for WM39, then I still have Cody going over with at least one belt. If it was still Vince heading creative I’d be way more concerned about Sami falling back into the lower-mid card immediately after Elimination Chamber, but I believe Trips has a tad more faith in Zayn long term for some reason.
In the meantime I think it makes more sense to capitalize on Cody with a singles win, because his journey to the title looks better without that delay to this year’s Summerslam. Since Sami wasn’t “supposed” to be in that spot, I do feel he should win one of the titles at some point this year- but IMO Cody should get his bouquet sooner than later, because WWE ideally should want his Rumble momentum to seriously mean something.
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Post by government mule on Feb 16, 2023 14:44:24 GMT -5
Cody is the draw now, they have to capitalise on him at this WM. This will be his payoff and makes the most sense financially in my opinion.
The road to Sami-Mania should end at WM40 instead. He will get his nuclear white hot moment at EC and the long game involving Sami/KO/Jey/Roman could play out over the year running up to it and I believe if booked correctly can last until then with the crowd engaged.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 16, 2023 15:03:10 GMT -5
To those that are cool with Sami getting the title at Summerslam or something,..that’s cool at all. To each their own. I’m not going to pretend Cody isn’t over huge. I don’t like that though…it’s as if instead of Batista going over HHH at Mania that they held off Goldberg’s victory over HHH until Mania and Batista won his first belt from Goldberg instead. Sound awesome on paper? Hell yes. Would it be the best use of striking the iron while it’s hot with Sami? Absolutely not. You risk Sami cooling off by that point.
Now if Sami is gung ho about the Mania end game being the tag titles…then my opinion is null and void.
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Post by tagteammatchplaya on Feb 16, 2023 19:01:11 GMT -5
There's no way anyone unironically believes that having Roman lose the title before Mania is a good idea right? i seriously hope those people are joking
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 16, 2023 19:58:26 GMT -5
Don’t Vince Russo this up by doing rapid fire title changes when it’s not needed
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Post by RI Richmark on Feb 18, 2023 17:19:20 GMT -5
Even if he doesn't pin Roman at Elimination Chamber Sami's already beaten him. He's fractured the Bloodline. Roman's probably not going to have his backup to help him against Cody.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 18, 2023 17:27:17 GMT -5
I will say, to WWE's credit, this is an enviable problem to even be having. After what has been a long time, they not only have one viable face at the top, they have two. That's a good problem to have, really. Just quoting again to say, regardless of what happens tonight, I don’t think there’s a solution that’s super awful here. Even, controversially, if Sami wins. I mean, he won’t, there isn’t a chance WWE denies the genuine drawing power/luring AEW talent potential of Cody holding up both belts to end WrestleMania but it wouldn’t be having Big Show beat Randy Orton at Survivor Series before Daniel Bryan beats him.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 18, 2023 17:34:19 GMT -5
I will say, to WWE's credit, this is an enviable problem to even be having. After what has been a long time, they not only have one viable face at the top, they have two. That's a good problem to have, really. Just quoting again to say, regardless of what happens tonight, I don’t think there’s a solution that’s super awful here. Even, controversially, if Sami wins. I mean, he won’t, there isn’t a chance WWE denies the genuine drawing power/luring AEW talent potential of Cody holding up both belts to end WrestleMania but it wouldn’t be having Big Show beat Randy Orton at Survivor Series before Daniel Bryan beats him.Hell, that’s a title shot that Cody Rhodes should’ve gotten instead. Mid-late 2013 was his hottest run in the New York territory before now.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 18, 2023 17:38:01 GMT -5
Just quoting again to say, regardless of what happens tonight, I don’t think there’s a solution that’s super awful here. Even, controversially, if Sami wins. I mean, he won’t, there isn’t a chance WWE denies the genuine drawing power/luring AEW talent potential of Cody holding up both belts to end WrestleMania but it wouldn’t be having Big Show beat Randy Orton at Survivor Series before Daniel Bryan beats him.Hell, that’s a title shot that Cody Rhodes should’ve gotten instead. Mid-late 2013 was his hottest run in the New York territory before now. That’s fair considering. And also, funnily enough, the likely period of time Cody would have won the title if he didn’t get injured before HIAC.
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