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Post by The Ichi on Feb 23, 2023 0:22:05 GMT -5
We're getting too into "your side did x" territory again.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 23, 2023 0:55:24 GMT -5
We're getting too into "your side did x" territory again. The whole "You complain about WWE but defend AEW" argument to me just is exhausting, like the shows and the way the shows are presented are different, as are the criticisms of each I don't see why it's such a major deal if someone doesn't like the way WWE does something, but is willing to defend AEW for doing it right in their eyes. Vice versa, honestly, so long as it's being done constructively or in a lighthearted manner as the live threads are used to. I don't think it makes people hypocrites unless they make it personal attacks or are begging for an argument. Just enjoy, critique and defend what you wanna within reason I'd say, and people who want to make it personal by saying "You're a WWE/AEW defender" aren't going to help the matter, only make it worse I'll leave it at that because I know you don't want to make this thread some "Us vs Them" or "They're the problem" because it just runs much deeper than that, but it's clearly an issue that's bothering several people on the boards, and maybe has been for a bit. So at least it's out there I suppose, it's honestly something I've tried to work on myself and I'm sure others have too. Just because as you said, people wanna be better, and want less fights, on either side of the fence.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 23, 2023 1:07:27 GMT -5
We should form a marching band but instead of playing boring marching band songs we play cool songs like Finger Eleven songs and KISS songs.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 23, 2023 1:40:01 GMT -5
We're getting too into "your side did x" territory again. The whole "You complain about WWE but defend AEW" argument to me just is exhausting, like the shows and the way the shows are presented are different, as are the criticisms of each Respectfully, you keep on coming back to this one side of the perspective. That's never been the issue though. It's about how someone's reactions to a critique of "their side" aligns with their own critiques. If I posted "Oh great another 20 minute spotfest with no compelling story. Another shit show from AEW tonight," that should not get slammed by someone who would post "Oh great, another Miz segment. This f'n company lmao."in a wwe thread. AND VICE VERSA Critiques and rebuttals are all fine and dandy as long as they aren't done in a tone that vilifies another poster. Like take that 20 minute spotfest comment. If one were to reply. "I actually like it, it showed great athleticism" instead of something snarky like "You just don't like good wrestling do you?" That's totally cool. Same with the Miz comment. If someone replied "I actually like Miz I think he's a good heel." instead of "Yeah, boo a man that gets a crowd reaction for years but cheer spot monkeys that nobody's heard of" You get what I'm saying? It's really that simple. Sorry for drifting into the tribal argument again, but I feel like I am describing the cause of the beef that comes around here in clear terms and it's kinda of being dismissed as attacking the pro-aew crowd. Not my intention at all.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 23, 2023 2:24:40 GMT -5
The whole "You complain about WWE but defend AEW" argument to me just is exhausting, like the shows and the way the shows are presented are different, as are the criticisms of each Respectfully, you keep on coming back to this one side of the perspective. That's never been the issue though. It's about how someone's reactions to a critique of "their side" aligns with their own critiques. If I posted "Oh great another 20 minute spotfest with no compelling story. Another shit show from AEW tonight," that should not get slammed by someone who would post "Oh great, another Miz segment. This f'n company lmao."in a wwe thread. AND VICE VERSA Critiques and rebuttals are all fine and dandy as long as they aren't done in a tone that vilifies another poster. Like take that 20 minute spotfest comment. If one were to reply. "I actually like it, it showed great athleticism" instead of something snarky like "You just don't like good wrestling do you?" That's totally cool. Same with the Miz comment. If someone replied "I actually like Miz I think he's a good heel." instead of "Yeah, boo a man that gets a crowd reaction for years but cheer spot monkeys that nobody's heard of" You get what I'm saying? It's really that simple. Sorry for drifting into the tribal argument again, but I feel like I am describing the cause of the beef that comes around here in clear terms and it's kinda of being dismissed as attacking the pro-aew crowd. Not my intention at all. I actually agree with the sentiment and don't think there are a ton of personal attacks of that ilk in WWE and AEW threads these days, which is a good thing and why I frequent the board. I think a major point is if someone's being positive or negative to just keep it to the talking points of the discussion or agree to disagree rather than skew it personal, or bring up the other company as a means or reason to deflect and put down other posters Cutting the bait and the proverbial fish hook comments is something that will help a lot in every sense, to just keep things sensible and straightforward and to keep it within the realm of talking about wrestling, good or bad for either show, and hopefully we'll continue to see more of that and continue to see less negativity/arguments/derailments as a whole and just enjoy/discuss what we're seeing without some dark cloud overhead, because no one should have to deal with that, it's a wrestling board, we should all have fun and unwind here, not get wound up further.
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Post by canceled4truth on Feb 23, 2023 7:40:20 GMT -5
I think a lot of this stems from how we’ve talked about WWE for so long. In that the baseline perception is “bad”, so anything of any level of bad only sought to reinforce that perception, and anything good was dismissed off-hand as “It will be bad eventually, so don’t bother being happy”. Not to mention all of the off-screen stuff. It didn’t create a very healthy environment to “debate” the on-screen product. We’re still figuring out how to constructively criticise a product without internalising it on a deeply personal level. I wish I could make every wrestling fan read this before commenting on the internet
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Post by Kay Faban on Feb 23, 2023 9:03:11 GMT -5
We're getting too into "your side did x" territory again. The whole "You complain about WWE but defend AEW" argument to me just is exhausting, like the shows and the way the shows are presented are different, as are the criticisms of each I don't see why it's such a major deal if someone doesn't like the way WWE does something, but is willing to defend AEW for doing it right in their eyes. Vice versa, honestly, so long as it's being done constructively or in a lighthearted manner as the live threads are used to.. Everyone is beating around the bush in the name of civility. The hypocrisy isn’t liking something different and defending the other show. That’s not the point. It’s constantly complaining about one show and then being offended when someone critiques the other show.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 23, 2023 9:05:19 GMT -5
You are right that it goes both ways, But That's not the point we're trying to make. Hypocrisy isn't brought up for people having a preference. Let me give you a more clearer example. In a RAW or SD thread, someone might keep on crapping on the show in a tone that's obviously meant to talk down to the show and people who enjoy it. Nothing was said that poster. Hell years ago I made a thread asking "if blaming Vince for people not getting over was a cop out?" and I stated my opinions as to why I thought so, and it was like I committed murder. Years ago in one of AEW's earliest shows someone else who didn't like the show, kept posting critiques, similar to how aforementioned posters would post in RAW and SD threads, and was given a stern warning to "cut out the act." Things have gotten better, but calls of hypocrisy and similar gripes imo, aren't based on expressing preference, but rather an imbalance of what got a "talking down to" even though the overall tone is relatively the same for both sides. This sounds more like an issue to take up with the mods than anything else. I will say one of the people that left did mention to me that they brought it up to the mods and nothing happened. I dunno how true that is, but they got tired of the hypocrisy of letting one slide, but cracking down on the other.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 23, 2023 9:06:58 GMT -5
The whole "You complain about WWE but defend AEW" argument to me just is exhausting, like the shows and the way the shows are presented are different, as are the criticisms of each I don't see why it's such a major deal if someone doesn't like the way WWE does something, but is willing to defend AEW for doing it right in their eyes. Vice versa, honestly, so long as it's being done constructively or in a lighthearted manner as the live threads are used to.. Everyone is beating around the bush in the name of civility. The hypocrisy isn’t liking something different and defending the other show. That’s not the point. It’s constantly complaining about one show and then being offended when someone critiques the other show. Yeah I feel like people are obliviously missing the point.
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Post by SneakMan on Feb 23, 2023 9:10:53 GMT -5
We should form a marching band but instead of playing boring marching band songs we play cool songs like Finger Eleven songs and KISS songs. Slow Chemical, trumpet version. This needs to happen.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 23, 2023 9:30:12 GMT -5
The real discourse we should be having is WTF is up with Kidman WWE theme. Like WTF man
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Post by SneakMan on Feb 23, 2023 9:33:13 GMT -5
The real discourse we should be having is WTF is up with Kidman WWE theme. Like WTF man Yo that song had no reason to go as hard as it did.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 23, 2023 9:34:50 GMT -5
The real discourse we should be having is WTF is up with Kidman WWE theme. Like WTF man Yo that song had no reason to go as hard as it did. It went hard AF but it didn't fit Kidman and the lyrics are so weird. I have no idea who wrote it but they must've been having a bad day haha.
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Post by champchumpchange on Feb 23, 2023 9:35:07 GMT -5
The whole "You complain about WWE but defend AEW" argument to me just is exhausting, like the shows and the way the shows are presented are different, as are the criticisms of each I don't see why it's such a major deal if someone doesn't like the way WWE does something, but is willing to defend AEW for doing it right in their eyes. Vice versa, honestly, so long as it's being done constructively or in a lighthearted manner as the live threads are used to.. Everyone is beating around the bush in the name of civility. The hypocrisy isn’t liking something different and defending the other show. That’s not the point. It’s constantly complaining about one show and then being offended when someone critiques the other show. Hypocrisy or lack of self-awareness, I wonder?
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Post by SneakMan on Feb 23, 2023 9:40:13 GMT -5
It went hard AF but it didn't fit Kidman and the lyrics are so weird. I have no idea who wrote it but they must've been having a bad day haha. Oh lyrically it's absolutely baffling but that just makes it better, especially considering it was for KIDMAN.
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Post by deezy on Feb 23, 2023 9:59:16 GMT -5
The whole "You complain about WWE but defend AEW" argument to me just is exhausting, like the shows and the way the shows are presented are different, as are the criticisms of each I don't see why it's such a major deal if someone doesn't like the way WWE does something, but is willing to defend AEW for doing it right in their eyes. Vice versa, honestly, so long as it's being done constructively or in a lighthearted manner as the live threads are used to.. Everyone is beating around the bush in the name of civility. The hypocrisy isn’t liking something different and defending the other show. That’s not the point. It’s constantly complaining about one show and then being offended when someone critiques the other show. Exactly ! I probably didn't explain it well enough or worded it wrong. If so that's on me. But that's the point I was trying to make on my post.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 23, 2023 10:22:32 GMT -5
Everyone is beating around the bush in the name of civility. The hypocrisy isn’t liking something different and defending the other show. That’s not the point. It’s constantly complaining about one show and then being offended when someone critiques the other show. Exactly ! I probably didn't explain it well enough or worded it wrong. If so that's on me. But that's the point I was trying to make on my post. I got what you were saying intially.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Feb 23, 2023 10:47:10 GMT -5
This sounds more like an issue to take up with the mods than anything else. I will say one of the people that left did mention to me that they brought it up to the mods and nothing happened. I dunno how true that is, but they got tired of the hypocrisy of letting one slide, but cracking down on the other. Feels like the mods are in a difficult spot, here. We're on a wrestling discussion board, how can you moderate discussion? Commenting 7 million times to defend everything AEW does is one thing. Commenting to directly attack that person for doing it is something different entirely. In my mind, the first thing is annoying, but it's a discussion board so I can't really expect someone to be banned for discussing, even if it is ad nauseam, while the other needs to be moderated. From what I've seen on this board I'm certain that even if, shall we say, the most fervent "AEW defenders" started a post with "if you don't like it, then don't post," or worse yet, an actual insult, that person would get modded. I don't personally perceive any double standard here. It's more just that a lot of people are conflating what's annoying with what's a violation of board rules. Here's my thing though. What can we do better? Honestly? Stop with the whole "sides" thing. The general tone of this thread has slipped into "side X" versus "side Y," and that's what fosters the kind of tribalism you see in the dregs of the internet like Reddit and Twitter. I will sit here and say, in 2023, even now, I prefer AEW to WWE. I'm happy to admit that. But, I find WWE much improved, and I also have been watching a lot of its content. I am excited for a WrestleMania card that looks like it's going to be one of the best ever, on paper. I tend to think the vast majority of us are like me...we're here, spending our time posting on a discussion board about fake sports, we probably just like wrestling, generally. We're basically being forced into a two-party system on this board and, without breaking an actual board rule by talking too directly about American politics, I think it's pretty obvious how people feeling like they're compelled to "pick a side" can breed contention and hostility. TL; DR - If you feel like someone is posting too much, ignore them. Don't make personal attacks, and don't expect the mods to suspend or ban someone just because they're posting a lot. And stop trying to put people into "AEW" or "WWE" boxes. This shouldn't be a two-party system.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 11:22:06 GMT -5
This sounds more like an issue to take up with the mods than anything else. I will say one of the people that left did mention to me that they brought it up to the mods and nothing happened. I dunno how true that is, but they got tired of the hypocrisy of letting one slide, but cracking down on the other. I've tried to reach out and found out not only am I blocked from contacting certain mods but when I posted about it in the Ask a Mod thread I was told by a prominent poster that I should have just been banned instead. Come on I have been here 20 years...I may not have used this area to foster friendships but it has been my haven for wrestling discussion up until "The Discourse" I haven't always been fair with my public disdain of some of the posting habits but at least I am honest and willing to work within the guidelines of what proboards offers for privacy features and when no one is willing to help because you don't always flow with the status quo it can be really disheartening. It's never been about WWE vs. AEW for me. It's been about feeling overwhelmed. I have asked in PM for two years now for certain people to stop quoting me or going outside of quoting to immediately respond when nothing positive has ever come from the constant communication. Nothing I say is worthy of constant review I promise. I am absolutely at fault for this feeling of frustrating going on for this long now for myself atleast but all I have asked is just to be left alone to my crappy takes at times and have been told to basically suck it up. I have never asked for anyone's head only a fair resolution but when we have a situation where every other thread divulges into hinting towards this then maybe I haven't been yelling at clouds completely. I am just trying my absolute best to not respond to notifications immediately and that has been a pretty great first defense.
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Post by eJm on Feb 23, 2023 11:38:23 GMT -5
Ok, I’m going to lock this thread for about an hour. This is not what this thread is for and a lot of you just need to cool down.
I’ll open it back when I’m able to be near somewhere I can do that on.
And I’ll stress again, if you have any problems with anyone and want to speak to us about it, report the post, DM any mod etc. We’ll try to get back to anyone as soon as because we have lives and this isn’t always our priority.
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