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Post by The Ichi on Feb 22, 2023 16:12:07 GMT -5
So I thought I would highlight what seems to be the most commonly regarded ways to improve things here.
- Try to avoid "back and forth-ing" with a poster (agree to disagree more).
- People are allowed to not like things/People are allowed to like things. They don't have to explain themselves.
- "The crowd seemed to like it" is not a valid argument when someone is just giving their personal opinion.
- It's just a show.
- Leave modding to the mods.
I'm obviously not telling anyone to follow this guide, but I'm going to try to (as I'm guilty of at least three of these myself) starting from tonight, and if it helps at least a couple of posters want to as well, it was worth it.
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Post by eJm on Feb 22, 2023 16:15:08 GMT -5
And just...I don't know, stop coming in to pick fights? I'm saying this as a mod but I know that people on either side just come in and act like they're the biggest shot going with their hot take or badmouthing the other side and it makes this section just not fun to be in.
I don't just get what people expect to happen. You can just not make our lives harder with this stuff.
EDIT: And yeah, people do it in the WWE section but the WWE section hasn't been as bad as it once was. And I've been around long enough for both the Mickie James and AJ Lee days.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 22, 2023 16:33:52 GMT -5
I don't post much here, but if I may...
I don't think this is just an AEW section concern. Although this place is mostly civil, tribalism exists here. Yes we aren't anywhere near the levels of douchery found on places like twitter and reddit, but it exist here. It's just the nature of wrestling fandom. That being said, my two cents is simple. If you are on one side, please post in a way that you would like to see others from the other side post. Like in other words, if you don't like something one company does, don't get mad at a post from someone critiquing something from the company that you like, that is similar in tone to what you posted. To me it's all about limiting hypocrisy and presenting opinions as facts. In fact, just using the term "IMO" more often than not goes a long way in keeping things more civil.
Also, as long as the posts are respectful, don't vilify anyone for not agreeing with you. It just makes people feel unwelcomed and causes the whole issue of declaring double standards to happen.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Feb 22, 2023 17:10:00 GMT -5
Better crafting. You guys suck at macaroni art. The recycling hasn't been emptied in days, too. sorry I got lost in the deleted section again, someone stole the string I use to find my way back out for the 19th time.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 22, 2023 19:04:24 GMT -5
And just...I don't know, stop coming in to pick fights? I'm saying this as a mod but I know that people on either side just come in and act like they're the biggest shot going with their hot take or badmouthing the other side and it makes this section just not fun to be in. I don't just get what people expect to happen. You can just not make our lives harder with this stuff. EDIT: And yeah, people do it in the WWE section but the WWE section hasn't been as bad as it once was. And I've been around long enough for both the Mickie James and AJ Lee days. Yeah, I think some of it is just... watered down more in the WWE section, probably since it's been around forever. AEW being new seems to bring some kind of urgency to things, for one reason or the other, so people seem to get heated over it easier.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 22, 2023 19:06:20 GMT -5
I do think that the old saying of "agree to disagree" should sometimes be stamped at the top of every page. So many discussions get to the point where two people/sides have their opinions and aren't going to budge so just walk away or start talking about food.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 22, 2023 19:09:32 GMT -5
I do think that the old saying of "agree to disagree" should sometimes be stamped at the top of every page. So many discussions get to the point where two people/sides have their opinions and aren't going to budge so just walk away or start talking about food.But those are some of the best conversations we've had on any thread
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 22, 2023 19:24:02 GMT -5
I do think that the old saying of "agree to disagree" should sometimes be stamped at the top of every page. So many discussions get to the point where two people/sides have their opinions and aren't going to budge so just walk away or start talking about food.But those are some of the best conversations we've had on any thread Yeah, I'm saying we should do that instead of the circular arguments. Even if half of the foods you guys talk about are America only and I have no clue what you're talking about.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 22, 2023 21:41:29 GMT -5
I think a lot of this stems from how we’ve talked about WWE for so long. In that the baseline perception is “bad”, so anything of any level of bad only sought to reinforce that perception, and anything good was dismissed off-hand as “It will be bad eventually, so don’t bother being happy”. Not to mention all of the off-screen stuff. It didn’t create a very healthy environment to “debate” the on-screen product. We’re still figuring out how to constructively criticise a product without internalising it on a deeply personal level.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 22, 2023 22:02:29 GMT -5
we as a group should have an intervention with TK over his Jarret and Lethal addiction
Its hurting everyone around him.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 22, 2023 22:03:22 GMT -5
we as a group should have an intervention with TK over his Jarret and Lethal addiction Its hurting everyone around him. Lethal and Jarrett do tend to bring out the worst in people here don't they?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 22, 2023 22:04:56 GMT -5
we as a group should have an intervention with TK over his Jarret and Lethal addiction Its hurting everyone around him. People here actually enjoy what Lethal and Jarrett are doing, and the whole group... people are aware of that right?
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Post by Cyno on Feb 22, 2023 22:18:00 GMT -5
we as a group should have an intervention with TK over his Jarret and Lethal addiction Its hurting everyone around him. Jeff Jarrett is unironically one of my favorites in AEW, so I respectfully disagree.
I do agree about Jay Lethal though.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 22, 2023 22:20:02 GMT -5
Jarrett has been a blast since he joined AEW. I think he's been great.
He just doesn't need to win any match of any importance.
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Post by deezy on Feb 22, 2023 22:24:59 GMT -5
I don't post much here, but if I may... I don't think this is just an AEW section concern. Although this place is mostly civil, tribalism exists here. Yes we aren't anywhere near the levels of douchery found on places like twitter and reddit, but it exist here. It's just the nature of wrestling fandom. That being said, my two cents is simple. If you are on one side, please post in a way that you would like to see others from the other side post. Like in other words, if you don't like something one company does, don't get mad at a post from someone critiquing something from the company that you like, that is similar in tone to what you posted. To me it's all about limiting hypocrisy and presenting opinions as facts. In fact, just using the term "IMO" more often than not goes a long way in keeping things more civil. Also, as long as the posts are respectful, don't vilify anyone for not agreeing with you. It just makes people feel unwelcomed and causes the whole issue of declaring double standards to happen. This 💯. It doesn't bother me too much when someone gets upset at others for coming here and "ruin their fun" in the Dynamite and Rampage threads. What really irks me is when the sameones who complain about others criticizing the show in the Dynamite and Rampage threads go do the exact samething in the Raw and Smackdown threads. It's ok to criticize the product in the threads because no show is perfect, but don't complain when people do it in a Dynamite and Rampage thread then go do the same as they did in a Raw and Smackdown thread. It's so hypocritical.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 22, 2023 22:43:12 GMT -5
I don't post much here, but if I may... I don't think this is just an AEW section concern. Although this place is mostly civil, tribalism exists here. Yes we aren't anywhere near the levels of douchery found on places like twitter and reddit, but it exist here. It's just the nature of wrestling fandom. That being said, my two cents is simple. If you are on one side, please post in a way that you would like to see others from the other side post. Like in other words, if you don't like something one company does, don't get mad at a post from someone critiquing something from the company that you like, that is similar in tone to what you posted. To me it's all about limiting hypocrisy and presenting opinions as facts. In fact, just using the term "IMO" more often than not goes a long way in keeping things more civil. Also, as long as the posts are respectful, don't vilify anyone for not agreeing with you. It just makes people feel unwelcomed and causes the whole issue of declaring double standards to happen. This 💯. It doesn't bother me too much when someone gets upset at others for coming here and "ruin their fun" in the Dynamite and Rampage threads. What really irks me is when the sameones who complain about others criticizing the show in the Dynamite and Rampage threads go do the exact samething in the Raw and Smackdown threads. It's ok to criticize the product in the threads because no show is perfect, but don't complain when people do it in a Dynamite and Rampage thread then go do the same as they did in a Raw and Smackdown thread. It's so hypocritical. At the same time, someone else already said this, but defending WWE and then crapping on people who try to defend AEW points is also hypocritical Everyone just has different opinions and expressions for different companies, and I feel like it can be a bit more complicated than pointing at individuals and calling them hypocrites for preferring something else as their taste Attacking others for preferring one or the other however, is absolutely a major problem and I don't think should be the immediate default when it comes to discussing wrestling talking points, as I also feel that only leads to more arguments for personal preferences depending on the company at any given time or being negative on specific points of either. As others have said, wrestling just doesn't have to be that serious, and liking or hating what you do shouldn't be either. Discussion can be fun, but in the end not if it devolves into personal spats.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 22, 2023 23:36:18 GMT -5
This 💯. It doesn't bother me too much when someone gets upset at others for coming here and "ruin their fun" in the Dynamite and Rampage threads. What really irks me is when the sameones who complain about others criticizing the show in the Dynamite and Rampage threads go do the exact samething in the Raw and Smackdown threads. It's ok to criticize the product in the threads because no show is perfect, but don't complain when people do it in a Dynamite and Rampage thread then go do the same as they did in a Raw and Smackdown thread. It's so hypocritical. At the same time, someone else already said this, but defending WWE and then crapping on people who try to defend AEW points is also hypocritical Everyone just has different opinions and expressions for different companies, and I feel like it can be a bit more complicated than pointing at individuals and calling them hypocrites for preferring something else as their taste . You are right that it goes both ways, But That's not the point we're trying to make. Hypocrisy isn't brought up for people having a preference. Let me give you a more clearer example. In a RAW or SD thread, someone might keep on crapping on the show in a tone that's obviously meant to talk down to the show and people who enjoy it. Nothing was said that poster. Hell years ago I made a thread asking "if blaming Vince for people not getting over was a cop out?" and I stated my opinions as to why I thought so, and it was like I committed murder. Years ago in one of AEW's earliest shows someone else who didn't like the show, kept posting critiques, similar to how aforementioned posters would post in RAW and SD threads, and was given a stern warning to "cut out the act." Things have gotten better, but calls of hypocrisy and similar gripes imo, aren't based on expressing preference, but rather an imbalance of what got a "talking down to" even though the overall tone is relatively the same for both sides.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 22, 2023 23:53:38 GMT -5
At the same time, someone else already said this, but defending WWE and then crapping on people who try to defend AEW points is also hypocritical Everyone just has different opinions and expressions for different companies, and I feel like it can be a bit more complicated than pointing at individuals and calling them hypocrites for preferring something else as their taste . You are right that it goes both ways, But That's not the point we're trying to make. Hypocrisy isn't brought up for people having a preference. Let me give you a more clearer example. In a RAW or SD thread, someone might keep on crapping on the show in a tone that's obviously meant to talk down to the show and people who enjoy it. Nothing was said that poster. Hell years ago I made a thread asking "if blaming Vince for people not getting over was a cop out?" and I stated my opinions as to why I thought so, and it was like I committed murder. Years ago in one of AEW's earliest shows someone else who didn't like the show, kept posting critiques, similar to how aforementioned posters would post in RAW and SD threads, and was given a stern warning to "cut out the act." Things have gotten better, but calls of hypocrisy and similar gripes imo, aren't based on expressing preference, but rather an imbalance of what got a "talking down to" even though the overall tone is relatively the same for both sides. This sounds more like an issue to take up with the mods than anything else.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 22, 2023 23:56:13 GMT -5
At the same time, someone else already said this, but defending WWE and then crapping on people who try to defend AEW points is also hypocritical Everyone just has different opinions and expressions for different companies, and I feel like it can be a bit more complicated than pointing at individuals and calling them hypocrites for preferring something else as their taste . You are right that it goes both ways, But That's not the point we're trying to make. Hypocrisy isn't brought up for people having a preference. Let me give you a more clearer example. In a RAW or SD thread, someone might keep on crapping on the show in a tone that's obviously meant to talk down to the show and people who enjoy it. Nothing was said that poster. Hell years ago I made a thread asking "if blaming Vince for people not getting over was a cop out?" and I stated my opinions as to why I thought so, and it was like I committed murder. Years ago in one of AEW's earliest shows someone else who didn't like the show, kept posting critiques, similar to how aforementioned posters would post in RAW and SD threads, and was given a stern warning to "cut out the act." Things have gotten better, but calls of hypocrisy and similar gripes imo, aren't based on expressing preference, but rather an imbalance of what got a "talking down to" even though the overall tone is relatively the same for both sides. I guess that's also why EOE's post is prevalent on just how long WWE went without any competition, and the patterns and the overall attitude a lot of people had in WWE live threads long before AEW existed I think for a long time people lashed out about AEW because no one wanted to see the WWE monopoly again. I think after surviving the pandemic, it's safe to say they aren't going anywhere, but people went through 20 years of monopoly and then like 10 years of LOLTNA and that implosion... I feel like with WWE some people might freely critique it more because it's just never in any danger... for awhile, AEW felt like a gamble, but one that's thankfully paid off and been successful Things have gotten better I think, on both ends, because the AEW section used to be very, very nasty, but even with WWE, stuff calmed down... until Vince started worming his way back in, which I guess answers your question that I don't think that it was so much a cop out that Vince is a huge source of loathing for the company and the presentation of it for a lot of people... with him away, it was the chillest the WWE section had been in ages tbh. I think it's good for the whole of wrestling if he continues to keep away but... we can't always have nice things lol
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Post by fw91 on Feb 23, 2023 0:04:16 GMT -5
You are right that it goes both ways, But That's not the point we're trying to make. Hypocrisy isn't brought up for people having a preference. Let me give you a more clearer example. In a RAW or SD thread, someone might keep on crapping on the show in a tone that's obviously meant to talk down to the show and people who enjoy it. Nothing was said that poster. Hell years ago I made a thread asking "if blaming Vince for people not getting over was a cop out?" and I stated my opinions as to why I thought so, and it was like I committed murder. Years ago in one of AEW's earliest shows someone else who didn't like the show, kept posting critiques, similar to how aforementioned posters would post in RAW and SD threads, and was given a stern warning to "cut out the act." Things have gotten better, but calls of hypocrisy and similar gripes imo, aren't based on expressing preference, but rather an imbalance of what got a "talking down to" even though the overall tone is relatively the same for both sides. This sounds more like an issue to take up with the mods than anything else. Oh it's kinda moot now. I've reached out in the past. Just wanted to be clear that any beef that has taken place here really doesn't revolve around someone's preference. At least from my perspective.
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