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Post by Kalmia on Mar 21, 2023 20:21:57 GMT -5
Eddie Kingston saw enough abuse directed at Riho to delete his Twitter over it. Did he say anything about it being Cornette or his followers? Last time I checked Twitter doesn't ask you to put in your profile which podcasts you listen to. But if people are using the same rhetoric that is spoken by Cornette, then it's highly likely, isn't it? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, etc
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 21, 2023 20:26:37 GMT -5
What really stands out to me about the "this isn't because of Jim Cornette" defenses is that it stops entirely with that sentiment. Just the flat phrase "Jim didn't do this", with no pittance of "But he probably still shouldn't say this stuff" or "Him doubling down and saying worse shit is really f***ed up though I wish he wouldn't". Just kinda overlooking any harassment she's taking on and the slander from Cornette's own actual mouth on his web show. Like, is him still running his mouth post-twitter deletion about how Kenny won't let Riho let the house anymore okay because her twitter's already deleted so it can't be extra-deleted, therefore it's cool? Just seems like it's kind of exposing yourself if you're really intent on defending Jim Cornette but can't spare a few keystrokes to even say "Riho doesn't deserve harassment". I don't think there's inherently zero room to say "This is f***ed up but I don't think blaming Cornette specifically is right", but it's very telling where your interests lay if you can only say the last bit. I'm just flabbergasted at the fact anyone actually thinks Jim and Last didn't do this when there is literally no one else with the giant following out there that has lambasted Riho and Omega for YEARS like they have, unrelentingly, making up fake shit about them being in a romance getting her a booking push, then said relationship being "abusive" towards Riho, and then all the racist horrible shit Jim and last have said about Riho and Joshi's past Like holy shit I can't believe some people are so up Jim's ass that they're like "Well clearly someone else did this" like f***ing WHO? The Riddler?? No one else has spread this hate for Riho BUT Jim and Last, and it groundswelled to delusional followers attacking her online and calling her names at shows because that's what was perpetuated and cultivated over a large period of time by Jim and Last. No, Jim and Last did not pointedly say "Go out and harass Riho" but they didn't f***ing have to, they labeled her a problem, so the cult calls meetings to try and bully her away because she shouldn't "be here". Shit that's actually driven people to severe depression or worse. And their response has been denying it, immediately making a means to bully people online per month, and continuing to trash Riho and Omega So like by all means find the Sasquatch that did this to Riho if it wasn't the very people who have done nothing but shit on her for over three years, we'll be waiting for the shocking revelation right here when you find it.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Mar 21, 2023 20:29:53 GMT -5
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Post by Celgress on Mar 21, 2023 20:30:40 GMT -5
This isn't supposed to be about Jim Cornette but Jim Cornette keeps making the topic about Jim Cornette. If the mods think we should discuss this issue without talking about the person who is right now continuing to flog this issue out and continuing to slander the victim that the thread is about, then that is the mods' decision to make and I'll respect that decision, but the issue as it stands sort of only exists because of him so that's going to be a tricky thread to keep managing. Although man it's kinda exhausting to see some #NotAllCornetteListeners nonsense dropped into the thread with nary an acknowledgment of the actual victim of what's going on here and what's been said. Miss me with that. Indeed, I'd rather this thread wasn't about Cornette. Heck, I'd rather none of the last three years with Cornette happened at all. I'd be much happier if he was currently managing FTR somewhere and talking about Pro Wrestling History but that isn't the case. Cornette decided to walk a dark path and bring more negativity than ever into the IWC.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 21, 2023 20:38:51 GMT -5
What really stands out to me about the "this isn't because of Jim Cornette" defenses is that it stops entirely with that sentiment. Just the flat phrase "Jim didn't do this", with no pittance of "But he probably still shouldn't say this stuff" or "Him doubling down and saying worse shit is really f***ed up though I wish he wouldn't". Just kinda overlooking any harassment she's taking on and the slander from Cornette's own actual mouth on his web show. Like, is him still running his mouth post-twitter deletion about how Kenny won't let Riho let the house anymore okay because her twitter's already deleted so it can't be extra-deleted, therefore it's cool? Just seems like it's kind of exposing yourself if you're really intent on defending Jim Cornette but can't spare a few keystrokes to even say "Riho doesn't deserve harassment". I don't think there's inherently zero room to say "This is f***ed up but I don't think blaming Cornette specifically is right", but it's very telling where your interests lay if you can only say the last bit. Undeniably racist stuff comes out of the man's mouth and he has directed it at Riho for years. If all you can say is "We don't know that he pulled the trigger" and you ignore his actions entirely because of that, you're telling on yourself and maybe there's a reason people take such a dim view of his fanboys. Cornette has spent AEW's existence saying Kenny groomed Riho, and also staking shots at Riho just for being associated with Kenny. There's literally 4 years of content of him saying vile stuff about Riho. The other issue is that anytime Cornette's fans do anything and he catches wind of it, he doesn't denounce it or diffuse it. There's a reason for a long time indy wrestlers would just say stupid stuff about Cornette online to get buzz... he cannot let anything go and rather than ignore something he will make it a big ordeal. Like legit, if people don't want Cornette to be called an out of touch racist, he needs to accept that his words have an impact and not be an out of touch racist. It's like Konnan trying to reach out to different podcasts to collaborate and them refusing because they want nothing to do with Disco, and Konnan says "ah he's just saying stuff to get a reaction" well if nobody wants to work with you because of that association, maybe change that up.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 21, 2023 20:40:20 GMT -5
I’m truly mystified we’ve gotten to the point of WELL ACKSHUHLY there’s no proof it was Cornette’s followers, as Cornette has actively created an award to encourage his followers to cyberbully even more people.
I’ll refrain from pointing out what this reminds me of, because that actually would violate the board’s rules on politics. I cannot post the clip here (nor would I) but it is the latest clip on Youtube from Corny's own account which features Riho (a cartoon of her is featured in the thumbnail standing behind a "typical" loser-looking IWC fan in an AEW shirt). It was posted yesterday, the award thing. No need to believe me or anyone else here go listen to Corny's and Last's own words about the "ninny fans" and Riho.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 21, 2023 20:43:00 GMT -5
This isn't supposed to be about Jim Cornette but Jim Cornette keeps making the topic about Jim Cornette. If the mods think we should discuss this issue without talking about the person who is right now continuing to flog this issue out and continuing to slander the victim that the thread is about, then that is the mods' decision to make and I'll respect that decision, but the issue as it stands sort of only exists because of him so that's going to be a tricky thread to keep managing. Although man it's kinda exhausting to see some #NotAllCornetteListeners nonsense dropped into the thread with nary an acknowledgment of the actual victim of what's going on here and what's been said. Miss me with that. Indeed, I'd rather this thread wasn't about Cornette. Heck, I'd rather none of the last three years with Cornette happened at all. I'd be much happier if he was currently managing FTR somewhere and talking about Pro Wrestling History but that isn't the case. Cornette decided to walk a dark path and bring more negativity than ever into the IWC. Yep. Like again, if it was just about him going "old man yells at clouds" I could understand some defending. But the guy literally wished death on Orange Cassidy because he didn't like the gimmick. THe guy has long since gone past a character
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 21, 2023 20:46:53 GMT -5
Did he say anything about it being Cornette or his followers? Last time I checked Twitter doesn't ask you to put in your profile which podcasts you listen to. But if people are using the same rhetoric that is spoken by Cornette, then it's highly likely, isn't it? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, etc *Me when guy with huge distaste for joshi calls people stuff like Twinkletoes/Harpo and Pizza Uno* Well, whaddya know, who won the pony.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 21, 2023 20:47:01 GMT -5
Indeed, I'd rather this thread wasn't about Cornette. Heck, I'd rather none of the last three years with Cornette happened at all. I'd be much happier if he was currently managing FTR somewhere and talking about Pro Wrestling History but that isn't the case. Cornette decided to walk a dark path and bring more negativity than ever into the IWC. Yep. Like again, if it was just about him going "old man yells at clouds" I could understand some defending. But the guy literally wished death on Orange Cassidy because he didn't like the gimmick. THe guy has long since gone past a character Yeah, even Last tried to verbally step in when that happened he said (paraphrasing) "oh, you don't mean anyone should actually hurt the guy" and Conry interrupted him by saying (paraphrasing) "yes, yes, I do" and then continued his tirade.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 21, 2023 20:53:27 GMT -5
And again just to be clear, this has nothing to do with Cornette or anybody being anti-AEW either. Heck when AEW started I didn't agree with Cornette's criticisms but he actually gave well thought out critiques and how he'd fix it. But somewhere along the way the critiques went from valid to just pure hate spreading propaganda... and again we are now in year four where there's plenty of proof that shows he has lost the benefit of doubt.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 21, 2023 20:57:29 GMT -5
And again just to be clear, this has nothing to do with Cornette or anybody being anti-AEW either. Heck when AEW started I didn't agree with Cornette's criticisms but he actually gave well thought out critiques and how he'd fix it. But somewhere along the way the critiques went from valid to just pure hate spreading propaganda... and again we are now in year four where there's plenty of proof that shows he has lost the benefit of doubt. We'd be mad if this happened to anyone, anywhere, in any company, anyone thinking this is "Anti-AEW" is just weird imo. Like no one deserves this, especially Riho, who hasn't done a damn thing but wrestle and be nice to f***ing everyone...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 21, 2023 20:59:05 GMT -5
So like by all means find the Sasquatch that did this to Riho if it wasn't the very people who have done nothing but shit on her for over three years, we'll be waiting for the shocking revelation right here when you find it. It was that damned Sasquatch! I KNEW IT! Someone arrest the YETAY!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 21, 2023 21:01:06 GMT -5
So like by all means find the Sasquatch that did this to Riho if it wasn't the very people who have done nothing but shit on her for over three years, we'll be waiting for the shocking revelation right here when you find it. It was that damned Sasquatch! I KNEW IT! Someone arrest the YETAY! If we get really loud and excited, maybe he'll come out and dance!
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 21, 2023 21:01:41 GMT -5
I do feel it's worth pointing out that, yeah, Cornette and Last are not non-factors in this, that much I think everyone can agree on, but anti-Asian sentiment is also unfortunately very common right now due to COVID and other factors being things people have used to stoke it. That, plus Russo apologists aren't really any less anti-Asian by any stretch of the imagination, either, so it isn't like Cornette's got a patent on it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 21, 2023 21:09:36 GMT -5
I do feel it's worth pointing out that, yeah, Cornette and Last are not non-factors in this, that much I think everyone can agree on, but anti-Asian sentiment is also unfortunately very common right now due to COVID and other factors being things people have used to stoke it. That, plus Russo apologists aren't really any less anti-Asian by any stretch of the imagination, either, so it isn't like Cornette's got a patent on it. Absolutely, but given Riho is a specified target and those two have been the most unrelenting and loud about it and her for years now, peddling false shit about her and Omega included... I don't know, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect dots to say they played a major role.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 21, 2023 21:11:41 GMT -5
I do feel it's worth pointing out that, yeah, Cornette and Last are not non-factors in this, that much I think everyone can agree on, but anti-Asian sentiment is also unfortunately very common right now due to COVID and other factors being things people have used to stoke it. That, plus Russo apologists aren't really any less anti-Asian by any stretch of the imagination, either, so it isn't like Cornette's got a patent on it. I'm ashamed of this but when Covid-19 first hit hard an older relative of mine who works at a Walmart said that they and the other staff were keeping their distance from "Chinese People". What makes it worse is the "Chinese People" (who owned a well-loved restaurant) they were keeping their distance from had lived in our town for thirty-plus years and several of them were born here never having left the country once.
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Post by KME on Mar 21, 2023 21:25:48 GMT -5
Cornette is such a disappointment to me personally so I'll probably go off on a bit of a tangent here.
For years as a casual fan he was one of few people I'd listen to with regards to wrestling, I loved his rants on Raw back in the day, he's extremely knowledgeable, quick witted and engaging to listen to, was also pleasantly surprised to hear in an interview years ago that his political views aligned with mine and that he saw himself as left wing. But I'd only really listened to his stuff on Russo etc and wrestling history, never on current wrestling which I wasn't actively watching and certainly not AEW when it came around as again I'd never really watched properly. In the aftermath of Brawl Out though I listened to his take on it as it was such big news and was surprised by the aggressive stance he took and how unlikeable he and his co-host were. I'd only seen bits and bobs of the Bucks and Kenny, nothing of Hangman and was a huge Punk mark back in the day so wasn't exactly inclined to disagree with him for the sake of it but it definitely took me by surprise, knew he was out of touch because he was 20 odd years ago too but just found it like listening to a totally different person. Looked more into his recent stuff after that and just found absolutely loads of thinly veiled homophobia, xenophobia, transphobia and then pretty much outright racism and nearly all of it directed at AEW guys and girls, egged on by the moron he does his podcast with, pandering to the sort of fans, judging by the content of his comment sections, that I'm pretty sure he once said he'd like to set fire to. Couldn't believe he'd gone so far down the rabbit hole.
Was genuinely baffled as to how he could hate something so much so decided to tune in to Grand Slam and haven't looked back since, been watching every week since then which I hadn't done for a wrestling show in over 15 years and watched back virtually every match and show worth watching.
Lost someone to listen to and lost all my respect for him in the process but rediscovered my love for wrestling as a result of not buying into his bile. I hope for all the idiots he attracts with his rhetoric that then go and harass people that he also inadvertently creates some new AEW fans off the back of it the way he did with me, cos it's unlikely he's going anywhere and there's not really any other positives that can be gained from the way he chooses to discuss wrestling these days, he's the absolute definition of toxic as are the fans of his that take his vendettas and use them to go and harass people they don't know. Organising 'meetings' to work out how you're going to harass a wrestler is genuinely one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard. Speaking from experience being a fan of his in the past doesn't excuse sticking up for him now, the guy has enabled some of the worst calibre of 'fans' imaginable and said some inexcusable things.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 21, 2023 21:38:20 GMT -5
This isn't supposed to be about Jim Cornette but Jim Cornette keeps making the topic about Jim Cornette. If the mods think we should discuss this issue without talking about the person who is right now continuing to flog this issue out and continuing to slander the victim that the thread is about, then that is the mods' decision to make and I'll respect that decision, but the issue as it stands sort of only exists because of him so that's going to be a tricky thread to keep managing. Although man it's kinda exhausting to see some #NotAllCornetteListeners nonsense dropped into the thread with nary an acknowledgment of the actual victim of what's going on here and what's been said. Miss me with that. Yeah, there is some kind of irony in the fact that Cornette listeners are claiming to be slandered because people are pointing out that what Cornette is doing is real, actual slander. You cannot harm a reputation by making it more accurate.
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Post by lockedontarget on Mar 21, 2023 21:43:51 GMT -5
Just playing devil's advocate here but isn't there a years old stickied post on here saying that threads about cornette would not be tolerated. Or is it just OK when it's a certain point of view? Surely if its OK to talk about how everyone who listens to his podcast is a dick and a scummy piece of shit, said scummy pieces of shit like myself should be able to talk to other pieces of shit on here about how we get slandered simply because of what entertainment we choose to consume? I would have assumed the mods would have locked this up as soon as it turned into what it has but here we are. That you are taking a situation where a man’s bigotry and hatred has hurt innocent people and going “but I am the victim here” is genuinely gross and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 21, 2023 21:50:28 GMT -5
What really stands out to me about the "this isn't because of Jim Cornette" defenses is that it stops entirely with that sentiment. Just the flat phrase "Jim didn't do this", with no pittance of "But he probably still shouldn't say this stuff" or "Him doubling down and saying worse shit is really f***ed up though I wish he wouldn't". Just kinda overlooking any harassment she's taking on and the slander from Cornette's own actual mouth on his web show. Like, is him still running his mouth post-twitter deletion about how Kenny won't let Riho let the house anymore okay because her twitter's already deleted so it can't be extra-deleted, therefore it's cool? Just seems like it's kind of exposing yourself if you're really intent on defending Jim Cornette but can't spare a few keystrokes to even say "Riho doesn't deserve harassment". I don't think there's inherently zero room to say "This is f***ed up but I don't think blaming Cornette specifically is right", but it's very telling where your interests lay if you can only say the last bit. Undeniably racist stuff comes out of the man's mouth and he has directed it at Riho for years. If all you can say is "We don't know that he pulled the trigger" and you ignore his actions entirely because of that, you're telling on yourself and maybe there's a reason people take such a dim view of his fanboys. Yeah, that mask isn't just slipping off. It's getting ripped off Phantom Thief-style.
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