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Post by xCompackx on Nov 11, 2023 15:36:21 GMT -5
I think in general, it needs to be more socially acceptable to not like something, even if you used to like it. Because that both allows you to move on to something you do like, and lets others still like the thing you don't like anymore without everything turning into a college disposition on the merits of entertainment.
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Post by Friday Night SmackSown on Nov 11, 2023 18:58:44 GMT -5
A fun movie, which is okay. Not really worth all the hatred and vitriol thrown its way.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 11, 2023 20:59:03 GMT -5
Had fun with it. Was it great? Nah, but it was a fun little space adventure with fun likable characters. Iman Vellani is a star, so it's fun to see her ascension. The cast looked like they had fun making it.
It's a shame it won't do well& the same dick baskets that have been making Brie Larson videos for years now probably won't have any fun, but they never do. Miserable motherfunkers.
After credit scene was not so much fun as interesting & has me wondering what's next there even though I had it spoiled. That was ok though, it wasn't a huge, fun surprise -- more like: "huh. interesting."
Decent, fun time at the theater. Nice and breezy 90 minutes of fun. Not everything needs to figure into the larger MCU -- can just be a fun 'single issue'.
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Post by Friday Night SmackSown on Nov 11, 2023 21:29:11 GMT -5
The very last scene of the movie was a pleasant surprise, because it was nice to see an old friend show up. {Spoiler}Oh, hi Kate.
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Post by darbus alan on Nov 11, 2023 21:52:37 GMT -5
Sometimes, a fun movie is just that: a fun movie. Not every movie has to be profoundly great or unwatchably bad. Some movies are just fine being just fine.
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Post by chrom on Nov 11, 2023 22:12:35 GMT -5
A fun movie, which is okay. Not really worth all the hatred and vitriol thrown its way. Some people just like being miserable and spreading misery
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 12, 2023 11:21:27 GMT -5
Before I get to the other things I liked about this movie, let me start out by saying this, since no one else has said it: you do not need to have seen WandaVision to watch this movie. You don't need to have seen Ms. Marvel. You definitely don't need to have seen Secret Invasion. You barely need to have seen Captain Marvel, the movie to which this is a direct sequel. In a way, this movie is the MCU as a concept at it's best: the "universe" component has only a positive or neutral setting. It adds, but it doesn't subtract. If, for whatever reason, The Marvels is your first foray in to the MCU, you'll have just as much fun as someone who is coming in from day one. I have to give Nia credit for that right off the bat. As for the movie itself, I enjoyed it. It's fun, and fun is fine; not every Marvel movie has to be Endgame. Iman Vellani is every bit the standout that everyone other review (even the negative ones) is calling her, Teyonah Parris is awesome, Brie Larson continues to improve in the role, and Kamala's family and Fury are always welcome additions. The action is some of the best in the MCU, with one action scene in Act One taking full advantage of the place swapping gimmick while also establishing what each hero is capable of. If I had any complaints about this movie, it is Zawe Ashton's Dar-Benn, who is intense but underdeveloped (which, as we all know, has never been a problem for the MCU before ). Also, and I will put this in the "dumb stuff that only bugs me" category, with a mild spoiler warning: {Spoiler}For a movie in which the entire plot focuses on the heroes traversing through space and taking up each other's space, at no point is it brought up, even to rule it out as a cause, that Carol's powers derive from the SPACE Stone. Nor is it brought up that the biggest through line between Carol and Monica's powers, besides being light based, is that Monica's also derives from an Infinity Stone (the Mind Stone, via Wanda's "Hex"). I get that the Infinity Stones have been done since Corey mentioned the TVA literally uses them as paperweights, but still. All in all, very fun movie, probably going to see it again on my off day. Solid B to B+, which is about on-par with the RT Audience Score. Go check it out.
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Post by mrtuesday on Nov 12, 2023 12:03:43 GMT -5
Sometimes, a fun movie is just that: a fun movie. Not every movie has to be profoundly great or unwatchably bad. Some movies are just fine being just fine. There are people that want every Marvel movie to be Endgame-level. And if it's not, it's a failure.
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Post by mrtuesday on Nov 12, 2023 12:11:48 GMT -5
There are people that want every Marvel movie to be Endgame-level. And if it's not, it's a failure. They also want every Marvel movie or show to be good, and when some of them aren't, then they're a failure. "Fun is fine" huh? The Marvels is good. Fun is fine. I'm sorry you hate fun.
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Post by thechase on Nov 12, 2023 12:12:38 GMT -5
They also want every Marvel movie or show to be good, and when some of them aren't, then they're a failure. "Fun is fine" huh? The Marvels is good. Fun is fine. I'm sorry you hate fun. I hate bad movies. I've long since tired of the MCU formula. Plenty of people don't like this movie Plenty of people have tired of the MCU formula. That's now backed up by reality. Try living in it.
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Post by Friday Night SmackSown on Nov 12, 2023 12:22:47 GMT -5
I have no hate for people who might think the formula is stale. It’s the folks who attribute this movie’s failure to being “too woke” and it having three female leads who’ll get all my ire.
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Post by darbus alan on Nov 12, 2023 12:30:51 GMT -5
The Marvels is good. Fun is fine. I'm sorry you hate fun. I hate bad movies. I've long since tired of the MCU formula. Plenty of people don't like this movie Plenty of people have tired of the MCU formula. That's now backed up by reality. Try living in it. Who hurt you?
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 12, 2023 12:49:13 GMT -5
The Marvels is good. Fun is fine. I'm sorry you hate fun. I hate bad movies. I've long since tired of the MCU formula. Plenty of people don't like this movie Plenty of people have tired of the MCU formula. That's now backed up by reality. Try living in it. ...It's just a movie, my guy.
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Post by mrtuesday on Nov 12, 2023 12:54:32 GMT -5
The Marvels is good. Fun is fine. I'm sorry you hate fun. I hate bad movies. I've long since tired of the MCU formula. Plenty of people don't like this movie Plenty of people have tired of the MCU formula. That's now backed up by reality. Try living in it. The Marvels is not a bad movie, though. People who hate the movie hate fun. Why do you hate fun?
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Post by Hurbster on Nov 12, 2023 13:13:52 GMT -5
Can we please not do this bloody stupid 'everyone is wrong who has a different opinion to me' thing?
Took my nephews to see it as their birthday treat, and they loved it. It's not something I would go on my own to see but that wasn't the point.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 12, 2023 13:35:40 GMT -5
The Marvels is good. Fun is fine. I'm sorry you hate fun. I hate bad movies. I've long since tired of the MCU formula. Plenty of people don't like this movie Plenty of people have tired of the MCU formula. That's now backed up by reality. Try living in it. We know you've "long since tired of the MCU formula", because you post that in literally every MCU thread. I think you post about the MCU more than people who actually like the MCU. It's kind of bordering on gimmick posting at this point.
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Post by chrom on Nov 12, 2023 14:14:43 GMT -5
Everyone take a time out and breath.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 12, 2023 14:30:33 GMT -5
So many of the comments I've read that say "you don't need to have seen X in order to get this movie" make me wonder what was the point of X even being a thing then? It's not like "moving the story and the universe forward" and "simply tell a great story" are opposites. You can totally do both. But Secret Invasion didn't seem to do either. Ms. Marvel, in my opinion, half-assed both options. WandaVision, again in my opinion, is excellent at the latter and falters when it does the former. And even the first Captain Marvel movie struggles because its narrative conceit, who really is Vers and why does she want to know the truth, gets in the way of our identification with the character. If she doesn't know who she really is, then how am I supposed to know who she is when she doesn't know? Compare how we meet Vers/Carol to when we meet Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, or the Guardians of the Galaxy as characters. We have a sense of who and what they are as soon as we see them. Especially Steve, who is mostly morally consistent throughout all his appearances. However, the mystery of who is Vers for Vers herself when she learns she's actually Carol Danvers is a muddied idea in an origin movie. Thematically rich, no doubt, given other things the movie wants to say about the world we live in, but a bit of a misstep when you're trying to do a debut story. (No wonder Ben Mendelsohn's Talos runs away with Captain Marvel 1 because he knows exactly who he is and what he needs to be to his people. And he also ran away with Secret Invasion until the point in the story when he didn't. Y'know.) I think the MCU is struggling because it can't balance the equation of "move the story and the universe forward" and "simply tell a great story," and with the existence of shows like Secret Invasion, Ms. Marvel, and WandaVision, the MCU has placed more emphasis on the first part of the equation over the second part. When the second part should be central to the telling of every single story. Even then, by focusing on the first part of the equation, the MCU has been moving forward less, as progress, growth, and development, and instead adding more, in terms of quantity, complication, and points of access (theatrical distribution of movies vs. streaming distribution of TV shows that aren't exactly TV shows). It just so happened that The Marvels became the moment when " the bill comes due," as Baron Mordo once said.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 12, 2023 17:58:27 GMT -5
So I just saw it and it was a pretty fun time. Nothing earth shattering or mold breaking when it comes to comic book inspired media, but it didn’t necessarily do anything wrong either. Most of the jokes landed and the ones that didn’t weren’t too cringey or anything, the action was well choreographed and the heartfelt moments came off genuine.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 12, 2023 18:29:09 GMT -5
So I just saw it and it was a pretty fun time. Nothing earth shattering or mold breaking when it comes to comic book inspired media, but it didn’t necessarily do anything wrong either. Most of the jokes landed and the ones that didn’t weren’t too cringey or anything, the action was well choreographed and the heartfelt moments came off genuine. Pretty much my feelings on it as well. It's almost a throwback to the earlier Phase Two movies – nothing particularly outstanding about it, but nothing particularly bad about it either, beyond an underdeveloped (but well-acted) antagonist. It's okay for a movie to be disposable fun and not reinvent the wheel. Granted, when $250+ million is being spent on production it does need to perform, and that's where the trouble lies. There's a lot of negative factors at play. Casual audiences aren't turning up as consistently as they did before Endgame. Barbenheimer notwithstanding, strikes hurt just about every movie released while they were going on, and in any case the box office has been deflated since the onset of Covid and still hasn't recovered – 2023 is set to have a 20% increase on 2022, but is set for a 15% decrease on 2019. The early trailers for The Marvels not being particularly good, and catching shit for some laughably bad CGI, certainly didn't help either.
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