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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 12, 2023 18:30:07 GMT -5
Stop liking things I don't like you guys!
Shit, if I didn't like something 15 years&hundreds of hours in I'd probably stop engaging with it.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 12, 2023 19:11:32 GMT -5
It's okay for a movie to be disposable fun and not reinvent the wheel.. Exactly. I don’t know why one article was comparing this to, of all things, The Boys and Invincible? Two great shows, but Marvels is for a totally different age demographic, and bloody adult-themed cape stories aren’t anything new or revolutionary in the slightest.
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Post by DichEvans on Nov 12, 2023 19:51:46 GMT -5
They also want every Marvel movie or show to be good, and when some of them aren't, then they're a failure. "Fun is fine" huh? ![](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51U9SFk6SJL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg) The Marvels is good. Fun is fine. I'm sorry you hate fun. It's going to be the biggest financial bomb in the post-covid world. While you had fun, about 70% of their core audience is gone
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 12, 2023 19:53:49 GMT -5
This movie’s opening box office is gonna be the MCU equivalent of the discourse surrounding wrestling show ratings, isn’t it?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 12, 2023 19:57:04 GMT -5
Seems weird to me to talk like the movie doing poorly at the box office means people aren't allowed to like it or something. Yeah, by all signs it's going to badly flop, but plenty of good movies have flopped and plenty of terrible movies have been giant hits. We're coming off of Five Nights at Freddy's being a massive success and by most accounts that's an awful adaptation of a game that has a convoluted nonsense plot with the depth of a postage stamp.
I've not seen it so don't have an opinion on it, but if people are enjoying it awesome, great for them. I might check it out on Disney+, not really dying to go to see it in theaters, but if there are people who were hyped up for it and it delivered for them then that's great. If nothing else I wish the movie was doing better so there'd be less room for those GOWOKEGOBROKE assholes to gloat like the highest grossing movie of the year wasn't Barbie.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 12, 2023 20:03:18 GMT -5
Exactly. I don’t know why one article was comparing this to, of all things, The Boys and Invincible? Two great shows, but Marvels is for a totally different age demographic, and bloody adult-themed cape stories aren’t anything new or revolutionary in the slightest. Whoever wrote that article and the guy who wrote this review went to the same school of bad takes: Now, maybe Marvel overestimated the size of the moviegoing teen girl audience, but it is unapologetically aiming for that demographic first and foremost.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 12, 2023 20:10:42 GMT -5
Exactly. I don’t know why one article was comparing this to, of all things, The Boys and Invincible? Two great shows, but Marvels is for a totally different age demographic, and bloody adult-themed cape stories aren’t anything new or revolutionary in the slightest. Whoever wrote that article and the guy who wrote this review went to the same school of bad takes: Now, maybe Marvel overestimated the size of the moviegoing teen girl audience, but it is unapologetically aiming for that demographic first and foremost. Girls can't actually be comic book fans. I mean, how are they supposed to secretly fantasize about banging Power Girl, which, as we all know, is what like 75% of being a comic book fan is all about?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 12, 2023 20:14:44 GMT -5
Exactly. I don’t know why one article was comparing this to, of all things, The Boys and Invincible? Two great shows, but Marvels is for a totally different age demographic, and bloody adult-themed cape stories aren’t anything new or revolutionary in the slightest. Whoever wrote that article and the guy who wrote this review went to the same school of bad takes: Now, maybe Marvel overestimated the size of the moviegoing teen girl audience, but it is unapologetically aiming for that demographic first and foremost. Nice of that person to plainly demonstrate how dead-on correct Brie Larson was in her statement that got these people so pissed off.
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Post by mrtuesday on Nov 12, 2023 20:16:35 GMT -5
The Marvels is good. Fun is fine. I'm sorry you hate fun. It's going to be the biggest financial bomb in the post-covid world. While you had fun, about 70% of their core audience is gone Their loss.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 12, 2023 20:20:21 GMT -5
I enjoyed it for the most part but it still remains that the Disney + strategy backfired and bit them in the ass.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 12, 2023 20:20:21 GMT -5
It's going to be the biggest financial bomb in the post-covid world. Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning ($120 million box office loss), Dial of Destiny ($150+ million), Jungle Cruise ($162 million), Turning Red ($167 million), Strange World ($197 million), and The Flash ($200+ million) all released in the post-Covid world. While The Marvels is looking like it'll post a box office loss, it needs to sink like a stone over the next week to be in with a shot of even coming close to any of the above movies. Hell, there's a pretty good chance it'll lose less than one of the movies that it's currently competing with, Killers of the Flower Moon, which looks like it'll be taking a $150-175 million loss.
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Post by mrtuesday on Nov 12, 2023 20:23:09 GMT -5
I will never understand people's NEED for this movie to bomb. The posts and tweets from the haters look like they're pleasuring themselves over this movie not doing well.
It's not healthy.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 12, 2023 20:24:31 GMT -5
I enjoyed it for the most part but it still remains that the Disney + strategy backfired and bit them in the ass. Streaming already put the home video market on life support, and we've been seeing tangible evidence that it's starting to eat into the box office. People are absolutely waiting for stuff that isn't considered a must-see theatrical watch to hit streaming.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 12, 2023 20:35:11 GMT -5
Yeah, while there are other factors at play, like oversaturation of content and the generally weaker critical and audience reception, more than anything the problems with the MCU and Disney as a whole right now seem to primarily steam from people no longer seeing their projects as urgent to see because they'll eventually be on Disney+ anyway.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 12, 2023 20:51:13 GMT -5
So I just saw it and it was a pretty fun time. Nothing earth shattering or mold breaking when it comes to comic book inspired media, but it didn’t necessarily do anything wrong either. Most of the jokes landed and the ones that didn’t weren’t too cringey or anything, the action was well choreographed and the heartfelt moments came off genuine. Pretty much my feelings on it as well. It's almost a throwback to the earlier Phase Two movies – nothing particularly outstanding about it, but nothing particularly bad about it either, beyond an underdeveloped (but well-acted) antagonist. It's okay for a movie to be disposable fun and not reinvent the wheel. Granted, when $250+ million is being spent on production it does need to perform, and that's where the trouble lies. There's a lot of negative factors at play. Casual audiences aren't turning up as consistently as they did before Endgame. Barbenheimer notwithstanding, strikes hurt just about every movie released while they were going on, and in any case the box office has been deflated since the onset of Covid and still hasn't recovered – 2023 is set to have a 20% increase on 2022, but is set for a 15% decrease on 2019. The early trailers for The Marvels not being particularly good, and catching shit for some laughably bad CGI, certainly didn't help either. That's not to even mention the dozen or so people purposefully avoiding the Walt Disney Corporation, whether over boycotts for a number of reasons I wouldn't mention here even with the No Politics rule, to Bob Iger showing his whole ass during the WGA/SAG/AFTRA strikes (hey, remember when Bob causally implied he was willing to let the strike go on long enough that people started losing their homes just so he didn't have to part with 2% of total earnings). Honestly, under different circumstances, I'd be just as happy to see Iger and Disney take an L as I was to see Zaslav and WBD take a massive L on The Flash. Problem is, you just know the usual bad actors will turn The Marvels doing anything less than a billion, to say nothing of actually taking a loss at the box office, into "go woke go broke" "M-She-U amirite" bullshit, all the while putting dirt on Nia DaCosta's name.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 12, 2023 21:01:26 GMT -5
all the while putting dirt on Nia DaCosta's name. Honestly, that's the worst part of this all. Variety has put out several articles in the last week throwing huge shade at DaCosta for doing things that are standard practice in the film industry, like moving onto her next movie while The Marvels was in post-production. It's rare for a director to be involved full-time in the post-production process, and even rarer in Marvel, where Kevin Feige ultimately has the final say.
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Post by Raskovnik on Nov 12, 2023 21:09:46 GMT -5
It says a lot that even the people who saw this movie and didn’t dislike it can only focus on other people not liking it and saying “It was fun I guess! Ever try not hating fun?” because there doesn’t seem to be too much to say about the film itself one way or the other.
I’ll watch it when it hits Disney+ but the trailers have been so soulless and even barring the strike, which I am sure did a number on the media tour for the movie, there’s so little hype behind it and not really any angle I can see them taking to tell a story that will be compelling, and that’s as someone who enjoyed the Ms. Marvel show. I’m glad Marvel seems to be taking a step back and reevaluating their plans going forward because I used to see every MCU day one but a lot of the shows and the movies lately have been mediocre, unfocused, and even visually charmless and unappealing. I want them to turn it back around because I like when things are good, because I enjoy having good things to watch, and I’m really looking forward to Echo as an example of the kind of focused, character-driven storytelling with clean action that I want them to get back to. This is like the third MCU movie in a row where I’m like “naaaahhhh I’ve gotta wait on this one” which would have been unthinkable to me a few years ago but Eternals was really a turning point for me.
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Post by chrom on Nov 12, 2023 21:55:23 GMT -5
Pretty much my feelings on it as well. It's almost a throwback to the earlier Phase Two movies – nothing particularly outstanding about it, but nothing particularly bad about it either, beyond an underdeveloped (but well-acted) antagonist. It's okay for a movie to be disposable fun and not reinvent the wheel. Granted, when $250+ million is being spent on production it does need to perform, and that's where the trouble lies. There's a lot of negative factors at play. Casual audiences aren't turning up as consistently as they did before Endgame. Barbenheimer notwithstanding, strikes hurt just about every movie released while they were going on, and in any case the box office has been deflated since the onset of Covid and still hasn't recovered – 2023 is set to have a 20% increase on 2022, but is set for a 15% decrease on 2019. The early trailers for The Marvels not being particularly good, and catching shit for some laughably bad CGI, certainly didn't help either. T hat's not to even mention the dozen or so people purposefully avoiding the Walt Disney Corporation, whether over boycotts for a number of reasons I wouldn't mention here even with the No Politics rule, to Bob Iger showing his whole ass during the WGA/SAG/AFTRA strikes (hey, remember when Bob causally implied he was willing to let the strike go on long enough that people started losing their homes just so he didn't have to part with 2% of total earnings). Honestly, under different circumstances, I'd be just as happy to see Iger and Disney take an L as I was to see Zaslav and WBD take a massive L on The Flash. Problem is, you just know the usual bad actors will turn The Marvels doing anything less than a billion, to say nothing of actually taking a loss at the box office, into "go woke go broke" "M-She-U amirite" bullshit, all the while putting dirt on Nia DaCosta's name. Yeah Disney and Iger did themselves no favors with their attitude during the strikes.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 12, 2023 21:57:50 GMT -5
Marvel doesn't pay my bills ergo I could give two shits that a movie making hundreds of millions is a step down from a billion. It's weird to care.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 12, 2023 22:29:04 GMT -5
Marvel doesn't pay my bills ergo I could give two shits that a movie making hundreds of millions is a step down from a billion. It's weird to care. One downstream effect of a tentpole movie like this not doing well, and for the brand as a whole lagging in pop culture interest, is I could see Disney tightening their purse strings and puckering their sphincters, which would mean the weirder, more comic book-oriented, niche, and, probably, more creative stuff won't get made at all. More and more, something like Werewolf by Night, for example, looks like the exception in a Phase 4 sea of The Marvels, Quantumania, Wakanda Forever, Love and Thunder, Eternals, and Black Widow. A rising tide lifts all boats, but it's also more water in which to drown, made all the worse if you're without a life preserver. I would unironically love to see a New Warriors movie, a Darkhawk TV special, and a Sleepwalker TV show get made. Give me an HBO prestige TV-style series like The Newsroom but set it at The Daily Bugle. I'm still waiting for a Marvel Pixar movie too. Maybe that's the problem with the conventional wisdom of movie execs like Iger and Feige: it's precisely conventional. Like with the comics in the late 90s-early 00s, maybe a Marvel Knights-style turn can come out of this situation. And not the literal "make more stories about street level characters," but "trust creators to execute their visions." Besides the "who's the next Iron Man or Captain America?" question that's plagued recent MCU stuff, I'd also ask "who is the next James Gunn, Joe and Anthony Russo, Joss Whedon, or Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely?" to shepherd the behind-the-scenes processes at Marvel.
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