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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 11, 2023 2:27:59 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 11, 2023 3:09:29 GMT -5
It getting a lower preview box office gross than The Flash is really f***ing telling
My friend is a Marvel superfan and even he isn't interested in going to see this
Captain Marvel as a character feels like she didn't connect to f***ing anyone outside of the Avengers hype. Miss Marvel's series also seemed to fall flat (But most of them have).
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Post by DichEvans on Nov 11, 2023 3:20:14 GMT -5
Ya know, its not really that hard to have a strong female protagonist without pandering. Tarantino has been doing it since the early 90's.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 11, 2023 3:40:54 GMT -5
I thought the first movie was fine but that's kind of the thing, I thought it was fine. I might check out the sequel on Disney+ at some point but I don't really want to pay money to go see it.
Doesn't really help that Monica's mostly memorable as the weakest part of Wandavision and I could barely make it through the pilot of Ms. Marvel because of how annoying I found... most everything about it really.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 11, 2023 10:26:44 GMT -5
It was honestly a perfectly fine flick. Doesn't deserve the flack it's getting, and Ms. Marvel was a good series. I want to see more of that. The Marvel hivemind seems to have made its mind up, but it's way better than The Flash or any Marvel flick of the last year or two. The hate's unwarranted.
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Post by thechase on Nov 11, 2023 11:15:41 GMT -5
It was honestly a perfectly fine flick. Doesn't deserve the flack it's getting, and Ms. Marvel was a good series. I want to see more of that. The Marvel hivemind seems to have made its mind up, but it's way better than The Flash or any Marvel flick of the last year or two. The hate's unwarranted. People are allowed to dislike shitty movies. Marvel films are allowed to fail. It's OK. You'll live.
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Post by schma on Nov 11, 2023 11:34:04 GMT -5
It was honestly a perfectly fine flick. Doesn't deserve the flack it's getting, and Ms. Marvel was a good series. I want to see more of that. The Marvel hivemind seems to have made its mind up, but it's way better than The Flash or any Marvel flick of the last year or two. The hate's unwarranted. People are allowed to dislike shitty movies. Marvel films are allowed to fail. It's OK. You'll live. This forum has been quite reasonable with their opinions on Marvel movies. I find generally people run the gamut. However, other forums/sites are not so generous. I saw some already celebrating the movies downfall before it had come out. People already claiming that it was terrible woke nonsense etc. It's hard to tune out that much negativity. I can totally see why someone might not enjoy it, but it does seem to get more hate than is justified.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 11, 2023 11:34:39 GMT -5
It was honestly a perfectly fine flick. Doesn't deserve the flack it's getting, and Ms. Marvel was a good series. I want to see more of that. The Marvel hivemind seems to have made its mind up, but it's way better than The Flash or any Marvel flick of the last year or two. The hate's unwarranted. People are allowed to dislike shitty movies. Marvel films are allowed to fail. It's OK. You'll live. No shit. My point was I thought some of the criticism was a bit overblown. I’m not a fanboy.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 11, 2023 11:43:31 GMT -5
People are allowed to dislike shitty movies. Marvel films are allowed to fail. It's OK. You'll live. This forum has been quite reasonable with their opinions on Marvel movies. I find generally people run the gamut. However, other forums/sites are not so generous. I saw some already celebrating the movies downfall before it had come out. People already claiming that it was terrible woke nonsense etc. It's hard to tune out that much negativity. I can totally see why someone might not enjoy it, but it does seem to get more hate than is justified. Right. I haven’t seen a Marvel flick in theaters since Shang-Chi, liked Captain Marvel, so checked this one out. It just seemed like any other decent Marvel flick and people are treating it like a crime against cinema. Just seems odd.
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Post by thechase on Nov 11, 2023 12:44:54 GMT -5
I didn't mean to get snippy, it's just whenever a recent MCU film comes up and it doesn't do well with audiences, the same argument from the stans is the hate for a 'fun' and 'cute' movie is 'unwarranted'.
It works maybe once or twice if it's a rare disaster, but consistently?
Maybe you like it, that's good, but it's impossible to ignore the reality you're living in. The reality that 'cute' and 'fun' no longer cut it with today's audiences.
They're tired of the formula, they can recite every line of this same tired song, they know every routine of the dated dance. They're bored. There's nothing 'unwarranted' about folks demanding something new.
Low-brow humour, even lower stakes, that's all most of these films offer now. And it's no longer enough.
It's taking them too long to give us stakes and team movies. They think we're interested in the worlds they're building and we're not. We want some bang for our buck, not something cheap, easy, and...god help me I wish people would stop saying this, 'fun'.
What even defines 'fun' anymore? People say that when they don't have anything constructive to say about the movies they're watching.
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Post by schma on Nov 11, 2023 13:11:32 GMT -5
I didn't mean to get snippy, it's just whenever a recent MCU film comes up and it doesn't do well with audiences, the same argument from the stans is the hate for a 'fun' and 'cute' movie is 'unwarranted'. It works maybe once or twice if it's a rare disaster, but consistently? Maybe you like it, that's good, but it's impossible to ignore the reality you're living in. The reality that 'cute' and 'fun' no longer cut it with today's audiences. They're tired of the formula, they can recite every line of this same tired song, they know every routine of the dated dance. They're bored. There's nothing 'unwarranted' about folks demanding something new. Low-brow humour, even lower stakes, that's all most of these films offer now. And it's no longer enough. It's taking them too long to give us stakes and team movies. They think we're interested in the worlds they're building and we're not. We want some bang for our buck, not something cheap, easy, and...god help me I wish people would stop saying this, 'fun'. What even defines 'fun' anymore? People say that when they don't have anything constructive to say about the movies they're watching. I actually have a great deal of interest in the worlds they're building. I'm fully aware that I'm likely in the minority. I love comics and it's truly intriguing to me to see how they fit that into the cinematic medium. I fully recognize that this movie was far from perfect and there are plenty of ways it could have been better. However, I had a lot of fun watching it. That's not a lack of constructive criticism, that's the state I felt for the majority of my viewing. I was enjoying myself. I laughed at bits, I enjoyed the more tender moments. Some bits were a little too silly, but they were over quickly. The villain felt a bit flat, but the chemistry between the stars made up for that.
You talk of stakes, the thing is, many of these films have had stakes. Shang Chi had the fate of the world. Spider-man had the fate of the multiverse, as did Dr. Strange. Thor had Gorr the God Butcher (though the movie version of him was utterly forgettable and disappointing). Ant-man Quantumania had the introduction of Kang and freeing the microverse. The marvels {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} has the fate of several worlds including our own and then eventually the fabric of the multiverse.
There are plenty of valid criticisms of the movies since Endgame and the shows. Hell, I as a Marvel fan have made some of those criticisms. However, just because things aren't endlessly escalating, it doesn't mean there's no value. That said, I would really have liked to see another Avengers movie by now. Yeah there have been misses, however there are definitely a group of people who crap on the movies out of misguided hate.
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Post by lucas_lee on Nov 11, 2023 13:25:55 GMT -5
I didn't mean to get snippy, it's just whenever a recent MCU film comes up and it doesn't do well with audiences, the same argument from the stans is the hate for a 'fun' and 'cute' movie is 'unwarranted'. It works maybe once or twice if it's a rare disaster, but consistently? Maybe you like it, that's good, but it's impossible to ignore the reality you're living in. The reality that 'cute' and 'fun' no longer cut it with today's audiences. They're tired of the formula, they can recite every line of this same tired song, they know every routine of the dated dance. They're bored. There's nothing 'unwarranted' about folks demanding something new. Low-brow humour, even lower stakes, that's all most of these films offer now. And it's no longer enough. It's taking them too long to give us stakes and team movies. They think we're interested in the worlds they're building and we're not. We want some bang for our buck, not something cheap, easy, and...god help me I wish people would stop saying this, 'fun'. What even defines 'fun' anymore? People say that when they don't have anything constructive to say about the movies they're watching. I think its due to Youtubers that use woke agenda as part of its review and weaponizing hate against actresses that kinda has us on edge. I think you're taking things too seriously and not understanding why some fans are apprehensive at some of the weird critiques labeled against Marvel movies. I think you're trying to speak for everyone when it's your own personal preference and trying to make people feel bad because their tastes don't align with yours are why I don't vibe with film scholars and "arthouse" folk because of the pretentiousness of their arguements. I dont think the MCU are groundbreaking films but if it's not harming anyone who cares?
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 11, 2023 13:30:43 GMT -5
I didn't mean to get snippy, it's just whenever a recent MCU film comes up and it doesn't do well with audiences, the same argument from the stans is the hate for a 'fun' and 'cute' movie is 'unwarranted'. It works maybe once or twice if it's a rare disaster, but consistently? Maybe you like it, that's good, but it's impossible to ignore the reality you're living in. The reality that 'cute' and 'fun' no longer cut it with today's audiences. They're tired of the formula, they can recite every line of this same tired song, they know every routine of the dated dance. They're bored. There's nothing 'unwarranted' about folks demanding something new. Low-brow humour, even lower stakes, that's all most of these films offer now. And it's no longer enough. It's taking them too long to give us stakes and team movies. They think we're interested in the worlds they're building and we're not. We want some bang for our buck, not something cheap, easy, and...god help me I wish people would stop saying this, 'fun'. What even defines 'fun' anymore? People say that when they don't have anything constructive to say about the movies they're watching. I actually have a great deal of interest in the worlds they're building. I'm fully aware that I'm likely in the minority. I love comics and it's truly intriguing to me to see how they fit that into the cinematic medium. I fully recognize that this movie was far from perfect and there are plenty of ways it could have been better. However, I had a lot of fun watching it. That's not a lack of constructive criticism, that's the state I felt for the majority of my viewing. I was enjoying myself. I laughed at bits, I enjoyed the more tender moments. Some bits were a little too silly, but they were over quickly. The villain felt a bit flat, but the chemistry between the stars made up for that.
You talk of stakes, the thing is, many of these films have had stakes. Shang Chi had the fate of the world. Spider-man had the fate of the multiverse, as did Dr. Strange. Thor had Gorr the God Butcher (though the movie version of him was utterly forgettable and disappointing). Ant-man Quantumania had the introduction of Kang and freeing the microverse. The marvels {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} has the fate of several worlds including our own and then eventually the fabric of the multiverse. There are plenty of valid criticisms of the movies since Endgame and the shows. Hell, I as a Marvel fan have made some of those criticisms. However, just because things aren't endlessly escalating, it doesn't mean there's no value. That said, I would really have liked to see another Avengers movie by now. Yeah there have been misses, however there are definitely a group of people who crap on the movies out of misguided hate.
I’ve also had issues with a lot of the recent output of Marvel as a fan. Problem is you can only up the stakes so many times. Thanos snuffed out half of the universe. Kang and his variants have murdered millions and snuffed out entire timeline branches. Not every movie needs crazy insane stakes.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 11, 2023 14:09:45 GMT -5
I actually have a great deal of interest in the worlds they're building. I'm fully aware that I'm likely in the minority. I love comics and it's truly intriguing to me to see how they fit that into the cinematic medium. I fully recognize that this movie was far from perfect and there are plenty of ways it could have been better. However, I had a lot of fun watching it. That's not a lack of constructive criticism, that's the state I felt for the majority of my viewing. I was enjoying myself. I laughed at bits, I enjoyed the more tender moments. Some bits were a little too silly, but they were over quickly. The villain felt a bit flat, but the chemistry between the stars made up for that.
You talk of stakes, the thing is, many of these films have had stakes. Shang Chi had the fate of the world. Spider-man had the fate of the multiverse, as did Dr. Strange. Thor had Gorr the God Butcher (though the movie version of him was utterly forgettable and disappointing). Ant-man Quantumania had the introduction of Kang and freeing the microverse. The marvels {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} has the fate of several worlds including our own and then eventually the fabric of the multiverse. There are plenty of valid criticisms of the movies since Endgame and the shows. Hell, I as a Marvel fan have made some of those criticisms. However, just because things aren't endlessly escalating, it doesn't mean there's no value. That said, I would really have liked to see another Avengers movie by now. Yeah there have been misses, however there are definitely a group of people who crap on the movies out of misguided hate.
I’ve also had issues with a lot of the recent output of Marvel as a fan. Problem is you can only up the stakes so many times. Thanos snuffed out half of the universe. Kang and his variants have murdered millions and snuffed out entire timeline branches. Not every movie needs crazy insane stakes.Exactly for the bold text. This makes me think of the first John Wick movie. The inciting incident, compared to the scale of the threat of the villains of the MCU, is a very small, personal thing committed by a petty criminal. Yet it's also something that upends the functioning of everything in the John Wick universe. Imagine in Captain Marvel 3 Carol is hanging out with Goose at a space bar, and she accidentally bumps into the In-Betweener as he's exiting the john. Dude takes mega offence to being bumped into and kills Goose because f*** dem cat aliens. And that's the conflict that drives the movie: the In-Betweener is a big jerk. He doesn't need to conquer the world, or the universe, or the multiverse, and he's not trying to destroy the world, the universe, or the multiverse. Dude is just a big c*** with a chip on his shoulder who likes to f*** with people, and he just so happened to be the wrong person to bump into, unbeknownst to Carol and poor Goose. That could be a movie. Why *can't* that be a movie? Because it doesn't tie into 4 or 5 other MCU properties? Because it doesn't set up the next 5-10 years of movies? Because it doesn't try to rope in IPs from movies made by other studios?
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 11, 2023 14:28:58 GMT -5
I’ve also had issues with a lot of the recent output of Marvel as a fan. Problem is you can only up the stakes so many times. Thanos snuffed out half of the universe. Kang and his variants have murdered millions and snuffed out entire timeline branches. Not every movie needs crazy insane stakes.Exactly for the bold text. This makes me think of the first John Wick movie. The inciting incident, compared to the scale of the threat of the villains of the MCU, is a very small, personal thing committed by a petty criminal. Yet it's also something that upends the functioning of everything in the John Wick universe. Imagine in Captain Marvel 3 Carol is hanging out with Goose at a space bar, and she accidentally bumps into the In-Betweener as he's exiting the john. Dude takes mega offence to being bumped into and kills Goose because f*** dem cat aliens. And that's the conflict that drives the movie: the In-Betweener is a big jerk. He doesn't need to conquer the world, or the universe, or the multiverse, and he's not trying to destroy the world, the universe, or the multiverse. Dude is just a big c*** with a chip on his shoulder who likes to f*** with people, and he just so happened to be the wrong person to bump into, unbeknownst to Carol and poor Goose. That could be a movie. Why *can't* that be a movie? Because it doesn't tie into 4 or 5 other MCU properties? Because it doesn't set up the next 5-10 years of movies? Because it doesn't try to rope in IPs from movies made by other studios? Looking back at the original Avengers solo movies…most of those were very personal to the heroes themselves. The villains may have had their designs set on bigger plans but they ended up very personal stories for the heroes. The heroes in the Marvels had very personal stories but had a lackluster villain to play off of.
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Post by KingPooper on Nov 11, 2023 14:29:40 GMT -5
I didn't mean to get snippy, it's just whenever a recent MCU film comes up and it doesn't do well with audiences, the same argument from the stans is the hate for a 'fun' and 'cute' movie is 'unwarranted'. It works maybe once or twice if it's a rare disaster, but consistently? Maybe you like it, that's good, but it's impossible to ignore the reality you're living in. The reality that 'cute' and 'fun' no longer cut it with today's audiences. They're tired of the formula, they can recite every line of this same tired song, they know every routine of the dated dance. They're bored. There's nothing 'unwarranted' about folks demanding something new. Low-brow humour, even lower stakes, that's all most of these films offer now. And it's no longer enough. It's taking them too long to give us stakes and team movies. They think we're interested in the worlds they're building and we're not. We want some bang for our buck, not something cheap, easy, and...god help me I wish people would stop saying this, 'fun'. What even defines 'fun' anymore? People say that when they don't have anything constructive to say about the movies they're watching. This post isn’t very fun. Some people just want to share their opinion if they enjoyed it or not. That’s the thing it’s not high art or anything. Did I enjoy this. Sure. Is it some film like Everything Everywhere at Once that I think people need to go out and see? Not really. Sometimes “fun” is good enough, especially with general audiences, but I think right now unless it’s something like GOTG people are going to tune out. Now I’m going to drive to Knoxville and see my favorite Foo Fighters cover band because its fun.
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Post by darbus alan on Nov 11, 2023 14:37:01 GMT -5
The problem with raising stakes as much as they've been is that there's always an expectation to raise them even further. Undoing the deaths of half of all life in the universe is a hell of a thing to one-up. Then it starts getting silly. You have to train your audience to accept a lower stakes story as perfectly fine as long as it's told well. This is far from an MCU problem, mind you. We've seen this in the comics they're based on as well as in DC. We've also seen it in video games.
I also think this is why Guardians of the Galaxy 3 worked as well as it did. The stakes weren't on a galactic or universal level, but we were really invested in the stories of the Guardians, especially Rocket. Yes, the High Evolutionary was a megalomaniac, but ultimately he was such a good villain because of how much we wanted Rocket to get his revenge. He was such an irredeemable bastard who made things very personal with our sympathetic hero where his grand plans felt secondary in terms of the story told. A lot of that also goes to Chukwudi Iwuji for doing a damn good job at acting.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 11, 2023 14:38:30 GMT -5
I’ve also had issues with a lot of the recent output of Marvel as a fan. Problem is you can only up the stakes so many times. Thanos snuffed out half of the universe. Kang and his variants have murdered millions and snuffed out entire timeline branches. Not every movie needs crazy insane stakes.Exactly for the bold text. This makes me think of the first John Wick movie. The inciting incident, compared to the scale of the threat of the villains of the MCU, is a very small, personal thing committed by a petty criminal. Yet it's also something that upends the functioning of everything in the John Wick universe. Imagine in Captain Marvel 3 Carol is hanging out with Goose at a space bar, and she accidentally bumps into the In-Betweener as he's exiting the john. Dude takes mega offence to being bumped into and kills Goose because f*** dem cat aliens. And that's the conflict that drives the movie: the In-Betweener is a big jerk. He doesn't need to conquer the world, or the universe, or the multiverse, and he's not trying to destroy the world, the universe, or the multiverse. Dude is just a big c*** with a chip on his shoulder who likes to f*** with people, and he just so happened to be the wrong person to bump into, unbeknownst to Carol and poor Goose. That could be a movie. Why *can't* that be a movie? Because it doesn't tie into 4 or 5 other MCU properties? Because it doesn't set up the next 5-10 years of movies? Because it doesn't try to rope in IPs from movies made by other studios? I mean, there are ways to clean this up and write around it, but for the concept as you propose it, it does kinda make Carol look like an equally petty jerk chasing this guys around the universe looking for revenge or "justice" causing all kinds of chaos in the process simply because an otherwise harmless (at least in the cosmic scheme of things) douchenozzle killed her cat. It could work with a different character though. It's not a bad idea for a movie for someone like Nebula.
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Post by dav on Nov 11, 2023 14:42:19 GMT -5
I’ve also had issues with a lot of the recent output of Marvel as a fan. Problem is you can only up the stakes so many times. Thanos snuffed out half of the universe. Kang and his variants have murdered millions and snuffed out entire timeline branches. Not every movie needs crazy insane stakes.Exactly for the bold text. This makes me think of the first John Wick movie. The inciting incident, compared to the scale of the threat of the villains of the MCU, is a very small, personal thing committed by a petty criminal. Yet it's also something that upends the functioning of everything in the John Wick universe. Imagine in Captain Marvel 3 Carol is hanging out with Goose at a space bar, and she accidentally bumps into the In-Betweener as he's exiting the john. Dude takes mega offence to being bumped into and kills Goose because f*** dem cat aliens. And that's the conflict that drives the movie: the In-Betweener is a big jerk. He doesn't need to conquer the world, or the universe, or the multiverse, and he's not trying to destroy the world, the universe, or the multiverse. Dude is just a big c*** with a chip on his shoulder who likes to f*** with people, and he just so happened to be the wrong person to bump into, unbeknownst to Carol and poor Goose. That could be a movie. Why *can't* that be a movie? Because it doesn't tie into 4 or 5 other MCU properties? Because it doesn't set up the next 5-10 years of movies? Because it doesn't try to rope in IPs from movies made by other studios? I haven't really watched any of the MCU, so I was thinking you meant these guys:
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Post by Schizo on Nov 11, 2023 15:23:08 GMT -5
I didn't mean to get snippy, it's just whenever a recent MCU film comes up and it doesn't do well with audiences, the same argument from the stans is the hate for a 'fun' and 'cute' movie is 'unwarranted'. It works maybe once or twice if it's a rare disaster, but consistently? Maybe you like it, that's good, but it's impossible to ignore the reality you're living in. The reality that 'cute' and 'fun' no longer cut it with today's audiences. They're tired of the formula, they can recite every line of this same tired song, they know every routine of the dated dance. They're bored. There's nothing 'unwarranted' about folks demanding something new. Low-brow humour, even lower stakes, that's all most of these films offer now. And it's no longer enough. It's taking them too long to give us stakes and team movies. They think we're interested in the worlds they're building and we're not. We want some bang for our buck, not something cheap, easy, and...god help me I wish people would stop saying this, 'fun'. What even defines 'fun' anymore? People say that when they don't have anything constructive to say about the movies they're watching. dude, chill. They’re just movies. Some are great, some are bad. Some people like them, some don’t. There’s no “reality of the situation” going on here. Some obviously still enjoy the MCU films. I do. I haven’t seen the Marvels yet but still plan to. My son wants to see it to so we’re probably going to go watch it and most likely enjoy it, It just looks like a fun movie. There’s no “big picture” behind it. So just chill
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