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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 6, 2023 12:08:36 GMT -5
I think people were expecting more from the "multiverse" concept. That we would be knee deep in X-Men and Defenders by this point. But, for a variety of reasons, many beyond Feige's control, that hasn't really happened outside of No Way Home and a few other small bits here and there. So, without the main hook that this phase, people are losing interest. Kicking off the Multiverse shit with Toby and Andrew set the bar REALLY f***ing high for peoples expectations And there's the rub, they started with this. Since then, you've had a bit in Loki, a bit in Wandavision, a bit in Quantamania, a bit in Doctor Strange. If things were laid out like previous phases, you'd have say, Ant-Man, Wandavision, Doctor Strange, Loki all gradually building in weirdness, something being off getting bigger and bigger till at the end of one of them, say Loki, you have THE even where time is broken. Have it so Wandavision for example, ends with a kind of "is this just her magic or is reality changing" kind of vibe. Have Ant-Man have his warning about Kang and questioning if it was the right thing. Then you have Spider-Man as the big event movie for the phase. This is the first confirmed time that reality is breaking down and it's a star studded reunion with other continuities. Then a phase where reality is broken, each hero has their own adventures in a reality where they are own or other heros exist, they all face the same guy, Kang, who either wins or gets away at the end. Have Multiverse of Madness as the end point of that phase, where he uses magic to reach across dimensions, bringing together the Avengers you want in 1 group and any other properties they want to integrate, say 1 X-Man, 1 member of the FF. Then you have your big Kang battle movie, which presumably will end in this new reality where the X-Men etc. are in the same universe. A sense of building to something while having individual adventures within it.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 6, 2023 12:18:48 GMT -5
What also didn't help is Doctor Strange 2 introducing all these interesting multiverse figures and variants and then killing them off almost as soon as arrived.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 6, 2023 12:20:26 GMT -5
Movie's presently tracking to do a worse opening weekend than Black Adam and The Flash so that's not great. To the point where either Five Nights at freddys and/or Taylor Swfift era tour movie will be grossing more? (Especially with Swift's rerecording of 1989 being a hit) Good. Particularly with FNAF. Not a fan, never have been, but I’ve seen how popular it is with the younger demographic. 200 mill plus off of a 20 million budget. Good. It was a risk. Barbie, yes even all things considered, was a risk. So was even oppendaddy in its own ways. They all prevailed. They’re all takes on new ip’s/content. The MCU is a looming shadow of the last decade plus. Ppl are tired. Also the last few posters have nailed it with multiple points as to the plethora of problems. Low quality content. Lack of star power. Confusion amongst audiences. A lack of a linear path like the first 10 years of the MCU. What I keep going back to is, despite how cool the multiverse shtick is on the surface, it takes a lot of the gravity and stakes away. Just had a conversation at work with some fellow nerds Nerd 1: you hear they’re going to bring back RDJ? me: well, what else are they gonna do? Nerd 3: Don’t you think that takes away from Tony’s original st- Nerd 1 & me: YES Anyway, I enjoyed Wandavision until the finale, loki season 1, and no way home. Sad though, even as much as I liked season 1, no interest in seeing the new season. I think they can bounce back but, looking like we at a low-low-low point rn
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 6, 2023 12:28:48 GMT -5
I've barely seen much MCU stuff in recent years myself. Post-Endgame I saw No Way Home entirely because my Internet was out for a few days and I needed something to do (though I did rather enjoy it), I watch Wandavision, I watched the pilots of She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel, and I think that's literally it. And really the only projects they have announced for the foreseeable future I'm even kind of curious about are Deadpool and Fantastic Four.
I've never exactly been a completionist on these - Wandavision's the only show they've ever done I've really bothered to watch including among the Netflix ones, never seen the Ant-Man movies or Far From Home and doubt I will, lot of other movies I only got around to years after the fact - but my interest was there more often than not before but by now I kind of just don't care much.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 6, 2023 12:49:34 GMT -5
To the point where either Five Nights at freddys and/or Taylor Swfift era tour movie will be grossing more? (Especially with Swift's rerecording of 1989 being a hit) Good. Particularly with FNAF. Not a fan, never have been, but I’ve seen how popular it is with the younger demographic. 200 mill plus off of a 20 million budget. Good. It was a risk. Barbie, yes even all things considered, was a risk. So was even oppendaddy in its own ways. They all prevailed. They’re all takes on new ip’s/content. The MCU is a looming shadow of the last decade plus. Ppl are tired. Also the last few posters have nailed it with multiple points as to the plethora of problems. Low quality content. Lack of star power. Confusion amongst audiences. A lack of a linear path like the first 10 years of the MCU. What I keep going back to is, despite how cool the multiverse shtick is on the surface, it takes a lot of the gravity and stakes away. Just had a conversation at work with some fellow nerds Nerd 1: you hear they’re going to bring back RDJ? me: well, what else are they gonna do? Nerd 3: Don’t you think that takes away from Tony’s original st- Nerd 1 & me: YES Anyway, I enjoyed Wandavision until the finale, loki season 1, and no way home. Sad though, even as much as I liked season 1, no interest in seeing the new season. I think they can bounce back but, looking like we at a low-low-low point rn You just know the nerdbros won’t be touching on the valid reasons for this movie’s potential low box office, instead going to the “because wimmin r bad & diversity sux” well that they love wallowing in.
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Post by Renslayer on Nov 6, 2023 15:08:04 GMT -5
Ah, this explains a lot
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 6, 2023 15:26:08 GMT -5
Basically just to butter up their “is the MCU doomed” piece.
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Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 6, 2023 17:18:20 GMT -5
Good. Particularly with FNAF. Not a fan, never have been, but I’ve seen how popular it is with the younger demographic. 200 mill plus off of a 20 million budget. Good. It was a risk. Barbie, yes even all things considered, was a risk. So was even oppendaddy in its own ways. They all prevailed. They’re all takes on new ip’s/content. The MCU is a looming shadow of the last decade plus. Ppl are tired. Also the last few posters have nailed it with multiple points as to the plethora of problems. Low quality content. Lack of star power. Confusion amongst audiences. A lack of a linear path like the first 10 years of the MCU. What I keep going back to is, despite how cool the multiverse shtick is on the surface, it takes a lot of the gravity and stakes away. Just had a conversation at work with some fellow nerds Nerd 1: you hear they’re going to bring back RDJ? me: well, what else are they gonna do? Nerd 3: Don’t you think that takes away from Tony’s original st- Nerd 1 & me: YES Anyway, I enjoyed Wandavision until the finale, loki season 1, and no way home. Sad though, even as much as I liked season 1, no interest in seeing the new season. I think they can bounce back but, looking like we at a low-low-low point rn You just know the nerdbros won’t be touching on the valid reasons for this movie’s potential low box office, instead going to the “because wimmin r bad & diversity sux” well that they love wallowing in. "Go woke get broke" "Whats the highest grossing movie of the year" ".... BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 6, 2023 19:53:19 GMT -5
Can’t wait for the MSheU arseholes to take a victory lap over this even though the flopping has zero to do with the things they cry themselves to sleep about. Oh they're already taking victory laps and claiming empty theatres and the movie hasn't even come out yet. My friend and I plan to go this weekend but for some reason we couldn't buy tickets even a few days ago which is weird.
It's so disingenuous. When Captain Marvel did a billion, they said everything from "it only succeeded because of Endgame" (friendly reminder, Ant-Man and the Wasp came out three months after Infinity War and was the lowest grossing movie in Phase 3) to "Marvel bought up tickets" which is just pants on head crazy. Meanwhile, this film has COVID (the pandemic didn't go anywhere), the SAG-AFTRA strike, a very hit-or-miss Phase 4 doing visible damage to the brand, and the fact that it will be hitting streaming in 5-to-6 months so no need to rush going against it, but if this movie underperforms, it'll be because "woke" and "M-She-U amirite" bullshit.
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Post by chrom on Nov 6, 2023 22:16:53 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} So is that Ronan's daughter or sister with his hammer?
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Post by Andee9001 on Nov 7, 2023 4:37:42 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to seeing this for a couple of reasons.
Firstly i really liked Ms Marvel so i'm looking forward to seeing more of her and the other characters from the show even if they're only in it briefly.
Secondly i'm getting over my second bout of covid and i really need to get out of the house.
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Post by Scoops on Nov 7, 2023 5:37:58 GMT -5
This looks really bad.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 7, 2023 11:00:20 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to seeing this for a couple of reasons. Firstly i really liked Ms Marvel so i'm looking forward to seeing more of her and the other characters from the show even if they're only in it briefly. Secondly i'm getting over my second bout of covid and i really need to get out of the house. Hope you're on the mend!
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Post by salz4life on Nov 7, 2023 12:43:58 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} So is that Ronan's daughter or sister with his hammer? That was an excellent trailer, IMO. More excited for this.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 7, 2023 20:48:25 GMT -5
Post-credit scenes have leaked. {Spoiler}Fury has been keeping tabs on potential new Avengers, and Kamala uses his info to track down Kate Bishop, who is in turn trying to find Cassie Lang. Monica wakes up in the Foxverse X-Mansion, being treated by Beast (Kelsey Grammer) and their version of Captain Marvel, Maria Rambeau.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 8, 2023 0:53:52 GMT -5
Post-credit scenes have leaked. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Fury has been keeping tabs on potential new Avengers, and Kamala uses his info to track down Kate Bishop, who is in turn trying to find Cassie Lang. Monica wakes up in the Foxverse X-Mansion, being treated by Beast (Kelsey Grammer) and their version of Captain Marvel, Maria Rambeau. For context {Spoiler}AU Maria is wearing a version of the Binary suit, which Carol wore for a bit when she was an X-Men ally.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 8, 2023 0:55:40 GMT -5
{Spoiler}On one hand the idea of there being a Captain Marvel in that universe that went unmentioned this entire time is completely stupid, on the other the continuity of the X-Men movies was always an utterly incomprehensible nightmare scrawl that punishes you for thinking about it anyway.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 8, 2023 1:04:54 GMT -5
Post-credit scenes have leaked. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Fury has been keeping tabs on potential new Avengers, and Kamala uses his info to track down Kate Bishop, who is in turn trying to find Cassie Lang. Monica wakes up in the Foxverse X-Mansion, being treated by Beast (Kelsey Grammer) and their version of Captain Marvel, Maria Rambeau. {Spoiler}As fun as the Young Avengers Initiative is…you’re dealing with Kang coming up. No damn reason a good guy Variant in Iron Lad shouldn’t be the one assembling them.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 8, 2023 1:07:38 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}On one hand the idea of there being a Captain Marvel in that universe that went unmentioned this entire time is completely stupid, on the other the continuity of the X-Men movies was always an utterly incomprehensible nightmare scrawl that punishes you for thinking about it anyway. {Spoiler}I’m going to go out on a limb and say Maria isn’t from the FoxVerse either. I fully expect that she got pulled into their universe with the Sacred Timeline hijinx going on just like Monica did.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 8, 2023 2:38:34 GMT -5
{Spoiler}On one hand the idea of there being a Captain Marvel in that universe that went unmentioned this entire time is completely stupid, on the other the continuity of the X-Men movies was always an utterly incomprehensible nightmare scrawl that punishes you for thinking about it anyway. {Spoiler}That's an understatement. There's definitely four distinct timelines – prime, dystopian, corrected, and Logan – but things get so convoluted that sometimes it's unclear which timeline any given movie is taking place in.
And that's without trying to figure out which timeline, if any, the Deadpool movies fit into, because there's at least two in those movies as well.
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